Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread M.W.Foscue 
Be careful, Curtis. 
You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in order 
to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.

Cheers!
Mac
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Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what 
other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few years 
old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much easer/better using 
the Legacy to do the same things.
 
C.A.G.

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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread Tim Ziegler 
Thats pretty cool. wish they showed more of the machine though.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 11:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what
> other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few
> years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much
> easer/better using the Legacy to do the same things.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread Tim Ziegler 
Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Be careful, Curtis.
>
> You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in
> order to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
>
> You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
>
> Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
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> Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
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>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what
> other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few
> years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much
> easer/better using the Legacy to do the same things.
>
> C.A.G.
> 7099342%40mail.yahoo.com
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RE: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread bulkeley 
Yep ill go swing by Australia and pic me up on the way lol

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:50 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

 

Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Be careful, Curtis. 

You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in order 
to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!

You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!

Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.

 

Cheers!

Mac


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Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs 
 &t=172s  A fun look at 
what other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few 
years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much easer/better 
using the Legacy to do the same things.

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread Tim Ziegler 
lol for sure right. lol
Kind Regards,

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On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:37 AM  wrote:

> Yep ill go swing by Australia and pic me up on the way lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:50 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>
>
> Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Be careful, Curtis.
>
> You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in
> order to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
>
> You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
>
> Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
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> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Oct 11, 2023 12:05 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what
> other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few
> years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much
> easer/better using the Legacy to do the same things.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> 7099342%40mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Good morning everyone.
Here is another home made roping machine. that I just 
found...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwUeVvonMc   Now this one is Very 
basic, but 
I think the simplicity is part of what I like about this one... ;-)
C.A.G. 
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 08:10:25 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 lol for sure right. lol 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:37 AM  wrote:


Yep ill go swing by Australia and pic me up on the way lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:50 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

 

Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Be careful, Curtis. 

You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in order 
to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!

You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!

Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.

 

Cheers!

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Oct 11, 2023 12:05 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what other 
Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few years old, 
but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much easer/better using the 
Legacy to do the same things.

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
That's pure genius.  Kudos to his creativity, no doubt with very limited 
resources.
DanK

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:47:31 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Good morning everyone.
>
> Here is another home made roping machine. that I just found...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwUeVvonMc   Now this one is Very basic, 
> but 
> I think the simplicity is part of what I like about this one... ;-)
>
> C.A.G. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 08:10:25 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> lol for sure right. lol 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:37 AM  wrote:
>
> Yep ill go swing by Australia and pic me up on the way lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:50 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>  
>
> Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Be careful, Curtis. 
>
> You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in 
> order to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
>
> You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
>
> Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.
>
>  
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
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> From: 
> Sent: Oct 11, 2023 12:05 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what 
> other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few 
> years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much 
> easer/better using the Legacy to do the same things.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> 7099342%40mail.yahoo.com 
> 
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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is low
for my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 hole
index, but brick walled.
Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this 
particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?
DanK

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Woops. one more photo.
>
> there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate 
> to modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the 
> plate. by adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first 
> set of indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,
> those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I 
> could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the 
> first set and repeat.
> Here are all the photo's.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Hello Dan.
>
> I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. 
> Perhaps something like this would work for you?
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>
> *Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked 
> shouting "EUREKA" *
>
> I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated 
> effort to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I 
> was staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and 
> convert it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago 
> by a French mathematician named Vernier.  
> I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.
>
> Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard 
> REVO index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 
> matching holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in 
> the picture as pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the 
> indexing mod I developed a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you 
> have a similar mod. I'm going to replace that skinny arm with a wider one 
> that will accommodate the 9 vernier holes, which will be drilled on the 
> same radius circle as shown by the sector between the lines.
>
> [image: HighCountIndex1.png]
>
> This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  
> This opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering 
> patters of the goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached 
> again.) And it's in my price ball park.   
>
> If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or 
> at least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered 
> whether a sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear 
> set.  
> DanK 
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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Dan Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of 
different indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you can 
find it in our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if Im 
honest with everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got it. I 
normally use Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the time.)
Gota get to work now.
talk to you and all when I get home.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is lowfor my 
goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 holeindex, but brick 
walled.Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this 
particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?DanK

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

 Woops. one more photo.
there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate to 
modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the plate. by 
adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first set of 
indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,those were to adjust indexes for 
the next set/off set set, and then I could again off set for the thrid set, 
after that, I would go back to the first set and repeat.Here are all the 
photo's.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  Hello Dan.
I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. Perhaps 
something like this would work for you?
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked 
shouting "EUREKA" 

I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated effort 
to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I was 
staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and convert 
it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago by a French 
mathematician named Vernier.  
I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.
Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard REVO 
index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 matching 
holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in the picture as 
pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the indexing mod I developed 
a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you have a similar mod. I'm going to 
replace that skinny arm with a wider one that will accommodate the 9 vernier 
holes, which will be drilled on the same radius circle as shown by the sector 
between the lines.

This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  This 
opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering patters of the 
goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached again.) And it's in my 
price ball park.   

If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or at 
least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered whether a 
sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear set.  DanK 


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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
The deed is done.  72 holes that fit my indexing pin on the largest circle 
I can 
make work on the stock 88 tooth index gear.  Tomorrow I'll work on the 
vernier
arm.  This eliminates the need for any further indexing requirements, 
because this 
covers the range of what the REVO can do.  Using the verneir method, the 
resolution
I can obtain is 1/2°=720 divisions. I chose this number because of the 
large number
of integer factors, probably useful only in checkering applications.

I tried, but the math shows moving the frame for such small divisions would 
require
a micrometer, and the crank movements would not be repeatable by eye. 

I probably should re-label the gear so it doesn't look like 88 holes...
DanK  



On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 11:49:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Dan 
> Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of 
> different indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you 
> can find it in our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if 
> Im honest with everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got 
> it. I normally use Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the 
> time.)
>
> Gota get to work now.
>
> talk to you and all when I get home.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is low
> for my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 hole
> index, but brick walled.
> Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this 
> particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Woops. one more photo.
>
> there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate 
> to modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the 
> plate. by adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first 
> set of indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,
> those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I 
> could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the 
> first set and repeat.
> Here are all the photo's.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Hello Dan.
>
> I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. 
> Perhaps something like this would work for you?
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>
> *Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked 
> shouting "EUREKA" *
>
> I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated 
> effort to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I 
> was staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and 
> convert it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago 
> by a French mathematician named Vernier.  
> I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.
>
> Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard 
> REVO index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 
> matching holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in 
> the picture as pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the 
> indexing mod I developed a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you 
> have a similar mod. I'm going to replace that skinny arm with a wider one 
> that will accommodate the 9 vernier holes, which will be drilled on the 
> same radius circle as shown by the sector between the lines.
>
> [image: HighCountIndex1.png]
>
> This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  
> This opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering 
> patters of the goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached 
> again.) And it's in my price ball park.   
>
> If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or 
> at least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered 
> whether a sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear 
> set.  
> DanK 
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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread Jeff Richmond 
That looks like it, I picked one up last year during a used machine part out but haven’t used it yet.Jeff from Connecticut Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 11, 2023, at 6:46 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:Are you talking about this one curt Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:50 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: High index count problem solved Dan Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of different indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you can find it in our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if Im honest with everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got it. I normally use Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the time.) Gota get to work now. talk to you and all when I get home. C.A.G. On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:   This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is lowfor my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 holeindex, but brick walled.Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?DanK On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:Woops. one more photo. there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate to modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the plate. by adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first set of indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the first set and repeat.Here are all the photo's. C.A.G. On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:   Hello Dan. I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. Perhaps something like this would work for you? C.A.G. On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:   Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked shouting "EUREKA"  I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated effort to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I was staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and convert it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago by a French mathematician named Vernier.  I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale. Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard REVO index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 matching holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in the picture as pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the indexing mod I developed a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you have a similar mod. I'm going to replace that skinny arm with a wider one that will accommodate the 9 vernier holes, which will be drilled on the same radius circle as shown by the sector between the lines.  This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  This opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering patters of the goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached again.) And it's in my price ball park.    If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or at least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered whether a sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear set.  DanK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/9ebc78ac-0fd9-44e4-b45a-45adb142487cn%40googlegroups.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/683307458.5464852.1697032779796%40mail.yahoo.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/7d36aa56-2741-4137-8436-81a853b21f01n%40googlegroups.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscri

Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin

2023-10-11 Thread Tim Ziegler 
yes very cool for sure

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 8:47 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Good morning everyone.
>
> Here is another home made roping machine. that I just found...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwUeVvonMc   Now this one is Very basic,
> but
> I think the simplicity is part of what I like about this one... ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 08:10:25 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> lol for sure right. lol
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:37 AM  wrote:
>
> Yep ill go swing by Australia and pic me up on the way lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:50 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>
>
> Anyone want to take a trip with me??? lol
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:39 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Be careful, Curtis.
>
> You are going to have Tim Z wanting to travel there and bring one home in
> order to see how he can make it a better machine!  LoL!
>
> You are so right - that machine is years behind even our manual LOMs!
>
> Never mind the newer CNC-based ones.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Oct 11, 2023 12:05 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Here is Legacy's Russian cousin
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxvkMf69_vs&t=172s  A fun look at what
> other Ornamental mills around the world are making.  This video is a few
> years old, but it just goes to show you all, the we have it much
> easer/better using the Legacy to do the same things.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> 7099342%40mail.yahoo.com
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RE: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread bulkeley 
I have only used mine a couple of times not something you use much but still 
nice to have just in case lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Jeff Richmond
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: High index count problem solved

 

That looks like it, I picked one up last year during a used machine part out 
but haven’t used it yet.

 

Jeff from Connecticut 
Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 11, 2023, at 6:46 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



Are you talking about this one curt

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: High index count problem solved

 

Dan 

Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of different 
indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you can find it in 
our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if Im honest with 
everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got it. I normally use 
Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the time.)

 

Gota get to work now.

 

talk to you and all when I get home.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is low

for my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 hole

index, but brick walled.

Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this 

particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?

DanK

 

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Woops. one more photo.

 

there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate to 
modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the plate. by 
adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first set of 
indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,

those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I 

could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the first 
set and repeat.

Here are all the photo's.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello Dan.

 

I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. 

Perhaps something like this would work for you?

 

C.A.G.

 

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > 
wrote: 

 

 

Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked shouting 
"EUREKA" 

 

I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated effort 
to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I was 
staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and convert 
it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago by a French 
mathematician named Vernier.  

I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.

 

Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard REVO 
index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 matching 
holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in the picture as 
pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the indexing mod I developed 
a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you have a similar mod. I'm going to 
replace that skinny arm with a wider one that will accommodate the 9 vernier 
holes, which will be drilled on the same radius circle as shown by the sector 
between the lines.

 

  

 

 

This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  This 
opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering patters of the 
goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached again.) And it's in my 
price ball park.   

 

If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or at 
least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered whether a 
sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear set.  

DanK 

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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread Tim Ziegler 
Sounds good Dan.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 5:22 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The deed is done.  72 holes that fit my indexing pin on the largest circle
> I can
> make work on the stock 88 tooth index gear.  Tomorrow I'll work on the
> vernier
> arm.  This eliminates the need for any further indexing requirements,
> because this
> covers the range of what the REVO can do.  Using the verneir method, the
> resolution
> I can obtain is 1/2°=720 divisions. I chose this number because of the
> large number
> of integer factors, probably useful only in checkering applications.
>
> I tried, but the math shows moving the frame for such small divisions
> would require
> a micrometer, and the crank movements would not be repeatable by eye.
>
> I probably should re-label the gear so it doesn't look like 88 holes...
> DanK
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 11:49:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Dan
>> Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of
>> different indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you
>> can find it in our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if
>> Im honest with everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got
>> it. I normally use Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the
>> time.)
>>
>> Gota get to work now.
>>
>> talk to you and all when I get home.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is low
>> for my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 hole
>> index, but brick walled.
>> Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this
>> particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?
>> DanK
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Woops. one more photo.
>>
>> there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the
>> plate to modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of
>> the plate. by adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the
>> first set of indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,
>> those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I
>> could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the
>> first set and repeat.
>> Here are all the photo's.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Dan.
>>
>> I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy.
>> Perhaps something like this would work for you?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked
>> shouting "EUREKA" *
>>
>> I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated
>> effort to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I
>> was staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and
>> convert it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago
>> by a French mathematician named Vernier.
>> I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.
>>
>> Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the
>> standard REVO index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a
>> circle of 72 matching holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are
>> represented in the picture as pink. I already have an index arm that was
>> part of the indexing mod I developed a while ago.  This won't make sense
>> unless you have a similar mod. I'm going to replace that skinny arm with a
>> wider one that will accommodate the 9 vernier holes, which will be drilled
>> on the same radius circle as shown by the sector between the lines.
>>
>> [image: HighCountIndex1.png]
>>
>> This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.
>> This opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering
>> patters of the goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached
>> again.) And it's in my price ball park.
>>
>> If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or
>> at least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered
>> whether a sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear
>> set.
>> DanK
>>
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Re: High index count problem solved

2023-10-11 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Hey Guys.
Yes Bill that is the one I was talking about.
Thank you.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 06:46:22 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
Are you talking about this one curt

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: High index count problem solved

  

Dan 

Legacy use to make and sell a large indexing gear with a number of different 
indexes, at this min. I dont know the counts, but I'm sure you can find it in 
our archives or form on of the group.  I own the set, but if Im honest with 
everyone, I do NOT use it.( and have not since I first got it. I normally use 
Mike's Gear/crank handle indexing method 99% of the time.)

  

Gota get to work now.

  

talk to you and all when I get home.

  

C.A.G.

  

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:46:54 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 

  

  

This is a clever way to multiply the 24 divisions into 72, which is low

for my goal. I considered somehow extending the existing 24 hole

index, but brick walled.

Do you have to take the gear off to wait, it's not a gear.  So this 

particular gizmo works only on linear cuts?

DanK

  

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:


Woops. one more photo.

  

there are 24 index's on this plate, I can adjust the indexing of the plate to 
modify the pitch. note the three lines running to the center of the plate. by 
adjusting the knobs on the back I can adapt to or form the first set of 
indexes.  Note the three notches on the side,

those were to adjust indexes for the next set/off set set, and then I 

could again off set for the thrid set, after that, I would go back to the first 
set and repeat.

Here are all the photo's.

  

C.A.G.

  

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 09:59:51 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote: 

  

  

Hello Dan.

  

I made a phazing plate a few years back to work on the Legacy. 

Perhaps something like this would work for you?

  

C.A.G.

  

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 01:52:13 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 

  

  

Once again the neighbors are astonished as he runs down the road naked shouting 
"EUREKA" 

  

I really feel kinda dense that it's taken me a day and half concentrated effort 
to figure out this relatively simple problem.  The light dawned as I was 
staring at my spindexer wondering how it worked to take 180 holes and convert 
it to 360.  The answer was developed decades if not centuries ago by a French 
mathematician named Vernier.  

I'm going to assume the reader knows how to use a vernier scale.

  

Here is a picture of what I propose to do.  I'm going to take the standard REVO 
index gear that already has 24 holes in it, and drill a circle of 72 matching 
holes (1/8" IIRC) on a 6 1/2" diameter. These are represented in the picture as 
pink. I already have an index arm that was part of the indexing mod I developed 
a while ago.  This won't make sense unless you have a similar mod. I'm going to 
replace that skinny arm with a wider one that will accommodate the 9 vernier 
holes, which will be drilled on the same radius circle as shown by the sector 
between the lines.

  



  

This effectively subdivides the plate into 720 divisions of 1/2° each.  This 
opens up a wide range of options useful for the fine checkering patters of the 
goal. (see Checkering sheet on the Pitch chart attached again.) And it's in my 
price ball park.   

  

If you don't need or want this, that's OK.  I still want the 2x gears or at 
least confirm the tooth counts on that duplex.  I haven't considered whether a 
sprocket conversion will cover the range offered by the 2x gear set.  

DanK 

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