Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill

[Rg Max]

Pictures too large and W 7Pro only allows 5 per mail

Will post to a photo bucket  link and post link later.

In the mean time = ?

Trying to post picture of the Steely (I am
Told). Ready to sell !
 
Do I price complete or with only the
 original set of Gears and sell duplicates on Ebay ?
 
Can anyone talk about the different
axis  Z Y etc.  Where to purchase or how to make
them ?
 
Are any of advantage using the plunger
router setup on this machine ?

Are any of the parts on the table to an
axis ?  Several boxes of odds and ends from the shop

that I can look for pieces if there is
a link with pictures ?

RG replies to rgeuch @ att.net <rge...@att.net> as do not use Outlook day 
in day out.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-6, Rg Max wrote:

> Thank also - Tech has passed my retention level. If interested, I estimate 
> that $3,400.00 at retail
>
> pre 2002 - What does the group think a fair ask is ?  With all the 
> duplicate gears and parts would I
>
> be better off to skip the base unit = $1,500. and piece meal everything 
> else on ebay auction ?
>
> The chip collector and table would work great for the small lathe system 
> he used to repair and
>
> custom build Pool cues.  Let me hear back - thanks to all for the help - 
> PS - forwarding direct
>
> the Pictures to Bill - keep an eye out in spam for an att.net mail.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:
>
>> Found it 
>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/d/legacy-mill-steelymanual-cnc/6484347339.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/2018 11:45 AM, Rg Max wrote:
>>
>> I posted to craigslist.org - St. Louis, Mo. 6 pictures - hope that helps 
>>
>> search = Legacy Mill - Steely 900/1200 Manual CNC 
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Bill Bulkeley <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just add them to the email if your not using email to post messages 
>>> send one to 
>>>
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com and attach your pics to that 
>>> and we all should get them unless the picturs are too big to email
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rg Max
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 February 2018 4:31 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> New bee here to post pictures of my Legacy - tried three times - write 
>>> for pictures
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:55 AM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Arkady and all others,
>>>
>>> Here is a link to their website:  
>>> http://dicoproducts.com/products.php?gid=5
>>>
>>> The ones I have used are the:
>>> 4 inch (diameter) Wheel Brush
>>> 4 inch (diameter) Flap Brush
>>>
>>> They come in 3 levels of "stiffness" and are colored accordingly - 
>>> Coarse - Gray, Medium - Orange, and Fine - Blue (softest)
>>>
>>> I have used all 3 levels of coarseness and am VERY VERY HAPPY with 
>>> them.  They will outlast a wire bristled wheel 100 to one!  You don't get 
>>> those little wires coming off and hitting you in the face.  Nor do they 
>>> leave the little pieces of wire all over your work area when you are 
>>> finished.  
>>> Price-wise, they may be 2x the price - but I can assure you - WELL WORTH 
>>> more than that!  
>>>
>>> Example:  I have a outdoor BBQ grill that needed major clean-up.  In the 
>>> past, I used wire wheels to clean it all down before repainting (high temp 
>>> paint).  It was quite a chore and I'd go through a couple wire wheels (good 
>>> brand name products - not cheap China junk).  This past Spring (a year 
>>> ago), I tackled the job again.  In preparation I bought 2 4" Nyalox 
>>> wheels.  I finished the job using only one wheel.  I measured its diameter 
>>> and compared it to the new/unused one.  Imperceptible difference in their 
>>> diameters!  
>>>
>>> Group Members - if you are reading this - has anyone else ever heard of 
>>> the Nyalox brushes?  
>>> Have you used them?  Your thoughts?
>>>
>>> If you have not ever used them - but use wire wheels, I recommend you 
>>> switch to Nyalox immediately. 
>>> (Full disclosure: I do not work for Nya

Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill

[Rg Max]

Thank also - Tech has passed my retention level. If interested, I estimate
that $3,400.00 at retail

pre 2002 - What does the group think a fair ask is ?  With all the
duplicate gears and parts would I

be better off to skip the base unit = $1,500. and piece meal everything
else on ebay auction ?

The chip collector and table would work great for the small lathe system he
used to repair and

custom build Pool cues.  Let me hear back - thanks to all for the help - PS
- forwarding direct

the Pictures to Bill - keep an eye out in spam for an att.net mail.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> Found it https://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/d/legacy-mill-
> steelymanual-cnc/6484347339.html
>
>
>
> On 2/4/2018 11:45 AM, Rg Max wrote:
>
> I posted to craigslist.org - St. Louis, Mo. 6 pictures - hope that helps
>
> search = Legacy Mill - Steely 900/1200 Manual CNC
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Bill Bulkeley <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> I just add them to the email if your not using email to post messages
>> send one to
>>
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com and attach your pics to that
>> and we all should get them unless the picturs are too big to email
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rg Max
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 February 2018 4:31 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>>
>>
>>
>> New bee here to post pictures of my Legacy - tried three times - write
>> for pictures
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:55 AM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Arkady and all others,
>>
>> Here is a link to their website:  http://dicoproducts.com/produc
>> ts.php?gid=5
>>
>> The ones I have used are the:
>> 4 inch (diameter) Wheel Brush
>> 4 inch (diameter) Flap Brush
>>
>> They come in 3 levels of "stiffness" and are colored accordingly - Coarse
>> - Gray, Medium - Orange, and Fine - Blue (softest)
>>
>> I have used all 3 levels of coarseness and am VERY VERY HAPPY with them.
>> They will outlast a wire bristled wheel 100 to one!  You don't get those
>> little wires coming off and hitting you in the face.  Nor do they leave the
>> little pieces of wire all over your work area when you are finished.
>> Price-wise, they may be 2x the price - but I can assure you - WELL WORTH
>> more than that!
>>
>> Example:  I have a outdoor BBQ grill that needed major clean-up.  In the
>> past, I used wire wheels to clean it all down before repainting (high temp
>> paint).  It was quite a chore and I'd go through a couple wire wheels (good
>> brand name products - not cheap China junk).  This past Spring (a year
>> ago), I tackled the job again.  In preparation I bought 2 4" Nyalox
>> wheels.  I finished the job using only one wheel.  I measured its diameter
>> and compared it to the new/unused one.  Imperceptible difference in their
>> diameters!
>>
>> Group Members - if you are reading this - has anyone else ever heard of
>> the Nyalox brushes?
>> Have you used them?  Your thoughts?
>>
>> If you have not ever used them - but use wire wheels, I recommend you
>> switch to Nyalox immediately.
>> (Full disclosure: I do not work for Nyalox or any business that sells
>> them; nor do I own stock in them.  I'm just a very impressed customer.)
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arkady Paka
>> Sent: Jan 24, 2018 1:50 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>>
>> Hello Mac
>>
>> Nyalox have many items. Which one you use?
>>
>>
>>
>> Arkady.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-24 7:45 GMT+02:00 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> Hello Ira
>>
>> those are nice table legs, (Beautiful wood!) A barley twist leg could be
>> done in 45 min  if you start form scratch. But there are ways to get the
>> job done much faster is you plan,and remove the waist before putting the
>> wood on the Legacy.  Mike Pung has shared his radio lathe duplicator with
>> us in the group. ( http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/Pugn3.htm)  If
>> I had to bet, He could m

Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill

[Rg Max]

I posted to craigslist.org - St. Louis, Mo. 6 pictures - hope that helps

search = Legacy Mill - Steely 900/1200 Manual CNC

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Bill Bulkeley <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

> I just add them to the email if your not using email to post messages send
> one to
>
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com and attach your pics to that and
> we all should get them unless the picturs are too big to email
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rg Max
> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 February 2018 4:31 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>
>
>
> New bee here to post pictures of my Legacy - tried three times - write for
> pictures
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:55 AM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Arkady and all others,
>
> Here is a link to their website:  http://dicoproducts.com/
> products.php?gid=5
>
> The ones I have used are the:
> 4 inch (diameter) Wheel Brush
> 4 inch (diameter) Flap Brush
>
> They come in 3 levels of "stiffness" and are colored accordingly - Coarse
> - Gray, Medium - Orange, and Fine - Blue (softest)
>
> I have used all 3 levels of coarseness and am VERY VERY HAPPY with them.
> They will outlast a wire bristled wheel 100 to one!  You don't get those
> little wires coming off and hitting you in the face.  Nor do they leave the
> little pieces of wire all over your work area when you are finished.
> Price-wise, they may be 2x the price - but I can assure you - WELL WORTH
> more than that!
>
> Example:  I have a outdoor BBQ grill that needed major clean-up.  In the
> past, I used wire wheels to clean it all down before repainting (high temp
> paint).  It was quite a chore and I'd go through a couple wire wheels (good
> brand name products - not cheap China junk).  This past Spring (a year
> ago), I tackled the job again.  In preparation I bought 2 4" Nyalox
> wheels.  I finished the job using only one wheel.  I measured its diameter
> and compared it to the new/unused one.  Imperceptible difference in their
> diameters!
>
> Group Members - if you are reading this - has anyone else ever heard of
> the Nyalox brushes?
> Have you used them?  Your thoughts?
>
> If you have not ever used them - but use wire wheels, I recommend you
> switch to Nyalox immediately.
> (Full disclosure: I do not work for Nyalox or any business that sells
> them; nor do I own stock in them.  I'm just a very impressed customer.)
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arkady Paka
> Sent: Jan 24, 2018 1:50 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>
> Hello Mac
>
> Nyalox have many items. Which one you use?
>
>
>
> Arkady.
>
>
>
> 2018-01-24 7:45 GMT+02:00 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>:
>
> Hello Ira
>
> those are nice table legs, (Beautiful wood!) A barley twist leg could be
> done in 45 min  if you start form scratch. But there are ways to get the
> job done much faster is you plan,and remove the waist before putting the
> wood on the Legacy.  Mike Pung has shared his radio lathe duplicator with
> us in the group. ( http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/Pugn3.htm)  If
> I had to bet, He could make those legs in less then half of the time I
> could make those on the Legacy alone.
>
>
>
> Having said that, there is almost, always more then one way to do
> anything. If you use your lathe, a peeling cut with a skew, can remove wood
> very fast, if you can get the wood close to finish size before you put it
> on the Legacy, your production time will be much shorter... (How you do
> that is up to you.) ;-)
>
>
>
> Mac. what you are thinking of is called a reversing gear. so you can make
> both left and right pitches on the Legacy.
>
> A reminder to everyone, OUR favorite son.(Mr. Tim...) Made a number of
> quick change gear sets, not so long ago.  I own one and Love it.
>
> I don't know if he is willing to make them again, but I do know that he
> has the files and might be persuaded to have someone else make them... When
> there is a will there is ALWAYS a way to get the job done.  But asking if
> the first step. ;-)
>
>
>
> Its time for me to hit the hay now.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:03 PM, Ira S. Vest <istse...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mac so 

Re: New Members and Moderation

[Rg Max]

Have a Legacy Steely 900/1200 Manuel CNC  - Metro St. Louis, Mo. East side
just 15 minutes off 255.  Come see all the goodies for sale.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:51 AM, MWF  wrote:

> Ira,
> Nice sofa table.  I notice that all 4 legs have their "twist" going the
> same direction.  On a Legacy Ornamental Mill (LOM), if you have the
> adapter/gear piece (don't recall its proper name) that is placed into the
> gear train, you are able to produce twists in the opposite direction.
> That's a really nice feature.
> As regards sanding:  Check out two products that should make that task
> MUCH easier.  There's a company called Nyalox that makes a FANTASTIC
> product line for cleaning up/smoothing things (metal and wood).  They are
> similar to a wire wheel brush - but 100 TIMES BETTER!!  Our local Ace Hdwe
> store carries a few of their products - and can possibly order others.  I
> will probably never ever buy/use a wire wheel brush again in my lifetime.
> Nyalox is THE way to go.
> Second great product for "sanding/smoothing" is the sanding mop.  There
> are several product lines/makers of them out there.  They come in a wide
> variety of sizes, styles, and grits.  Pick a few and try them - I find them
> very useful and a time saver.
> We look forward to seeing pics of the end tables you referenced.  Would
> even appreciate pics in the various stages of progress - as you have time.
> Have a Wonderful week.
> Mac
>
> PS:  Somehow, I feel the SUBJECT line for this thread should be changed to
> one more relevant to the discussions.
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shannon Vest
> Sent: Jan 22, 2018 8:21 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Members and Moderation
>
> Mac and Bill can you use parts like the z axis off say a 900 on a 1200?
> Also guys there is another thing I have been wondering about. Is there a
> lot of sanding and forming still after you run a design. I have done some
> spiral legs in the past on a old Craftsman Router Crafter. I end up
> spending about 2 hours per leg doing the finishing forming with a rasp then
> sanding. I am looking to be able to do these legs in a lot less time. I am
> currently working on 2 end tables with spiral legs right now. So basically
> looking at 16 hours of work just to get these legs done. The bad part about
> the Router Crafter is you are stuck doing only one twist. You can't make
> them tighter or longer. plus you only have about 30 inches at max of
> twist.I will try and attach a photo of one of the sofa tables I done with
> the twist legs. It was made from American Chestnut. I got the wood from a
> old barn. As you well know American Chestnut has pretty much been extinct
> since the 30's. It is a beautiful wood but very brittle . Thanks guys for
> all the info you are giving me. I am trying to figure out if the cost of
> these machines is worth it as far as saving time and energy .
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:06 PM, MWF  wrote:
>
>> Ira,
>> That's the Z-Axis.
>> Many Mill users have this set-up.  They install a plunge router on the
>> Y-Axis "gantry"/router mount plate and set the depth (Z-axis) by
>> raising/lowering he plunge depth.
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Shannon Vest
>> Sent: Jan 22, 2018 2:11 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Members and Moderation
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:44 AM MWF  wrote:
>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> There is an older version of a LOM 1000 in the Washington, DC area
>>> (Annandale, VA).
>>> Here is the link to it on CraigsList:
>>>
>>>  https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/tls/d/legacy-1000-
>>> woodworking/6438941195.html
>>>
>>> As others has conveyed - Welcome to The Group.
>>> Mac
>>>
>>> Mac thanks for the info on the 1000. One thing I noticed about it though
>>> is it doesn’t have the crank on top to raise and lower the router. I know
>>> that is considered a axis but not sure if it is x , y , or z.  Is that
>>> something I need or is that something I can do without? Thanks Ira
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Shannon Vest
>>> Sent: Jan 22, 2018 6:31 AM
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Members and Moderation
>>>
>>> Yeah I saw that one. I live in eastern Ky so that would be a little to
>>> far of a road trip to do. I've looked at all of them on eBay. Thanks for
>>> looking for me though.
>>>   Ira
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Bill Bulkeley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You saw this 1200 for sale right?

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-1200-Woodworking-Ornamental-
 Mill-with-Router/152843483615?hash=item23962e79df:g:JRgAAOSwSRpZsbaF



 Bill

 *From:* 

Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill

[Rg Max]

New bee here to post pictures of my Legacy - tried three times - write for
pictures

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:55 AM, MWF  wrote:

> Arkady and all others,
>
> Here is a link to their website:  http://dicoproducts.com/
> products.php?gid=5
>
> The ones I have used are the:
> 4 inch (diameter) Wheel Brush
> 4 inch (diameter) Flap Brush
>
> They come in 3 levels of "stiffness" and are colored accordingly - Coarse
> - Gray, Medium - Orange, and Fine - Blue (softest)
>
> I have used all 3 levels of coarseness and am VERY VERY HAPPY with them.
> They will outlast a wire bristled wheel 100 to one!  You don't get those
> little wires coming off and hitting you in the face.  Nor do they leave the
> little pieces of wire all over your work area when you are finished.
> Price-wise, they may be 2x the price - but I can assure you - WELL WORTH
> more than that!
>
> Example:  I have a outdoor BBQ grill that needed major clean-up.  In the
> past, I used wire wheels to clean it all down before repainting (high temp
> paint).  It was quite a chore and I'd go through a couple wire wheels (good
> brand name products - not cheap China junk).  This past Spring (a year
> ago), I tackled the job again.  In preparation I bought 2 4" Nyalox
> wheels.  I finished the job using only one wheel.  I measured its diameter
> and compared it to the new/unused one.  Imperceptible difference in their
> diameters!
>
> Group Members - if you are reading this - has anyone else ever heard of
> the Nyalox brushes?
> Have you used them?  Your thoughts?
>
> If you have not ever used them - but use wire wheels, I recommend you
> switch to Nyalox immediately.
> (Full disclosure: I do not work for Nyalox or any business that sells
> them; nor do I own stock in them.  I'm just a very impressed customer.)
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arkady Paka
> Sent: Jan 24, 2018 1:50 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Working toward a Legacy Mill
>
> Hello Mac
> Nyalox have many items. Which one you use?
>
> Arkady.
>
> 2018-01-24 7:45 GMT+02:00 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>:
>
>> Hello Ira
>> those are nice table legs, (Beautiful wood!) A barley twist leg could be
>> done in 45 min  if you start form scratch. But there are ways to get the
>> job done much faster is you plan,and remove the waist before putting the
>> wood on the Legacy.  Mike Pung has shared his radio lathe duplicator with
>> us in the group. ( http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/Pugn3.htm)  If
>> I had to bet, He could make those legs in less then half of the time I
>> could make those on the Legacy alone.
>>
>> Having said that, there is almost, always more then one way to do
>> anything. If you use your lathe, a peeling cut with a skew, can remove wood
>> very fast, if you can get the wood close to finish size before you put it
>> on the Legacy, your production time will be much shorter... (How you do
>> that is up to you.) ;-)
>>
>> Mac. what you are thinking of is called a reversing gear. so you can make
>> both left and right pitches on the Legacy.
>> A reminder to everyone, OUR favorite son.(Mr. Tim...) Made a number of
>> quick change gear sets, not so long ago.  I own one and Love it.
>> I don't know if he is willing to make them again, but I do know that he
>> has the files and might be persuaded to have someone else make them... When
>> there is a will there is ALWAYS a way to get the job done.  But asking if
>> the first step. ;-)
>>
>> Its time for me to hit the hay now.
>> Have a good night.
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:03 PM, Ira S. Vest 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mac so you are only the second person to catch that all 4 legs twisted
>> the same way. That was one of the first things I did with a twist leg. Here
>> is the legs I’m working on now for 2 end tables. They are Black Walnut. I
>> wiped one with mineral spirits to show the color. Just curious but how long
>> does it take you all with the LOM?   Ira
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:51 AM MWF  wrote:
>>
>> Ira,
>> Nice sofa table.  I notice that all 4 legs have their "twist" going the
>> same direction.  On a Legacy Ornamental Mill (LOM), if you have the
>> adapter/gear piece (don't recall its proper name) that is placed into the
>> gear train, you are able to produce twists in the opposite direction.
>> That's a really nice feature.
>> As regards sanding:  Check out two products that should make that task
>> MUCH easier.  There's a company called Nyalox that makes a FANTASTIC
>> product line for cleaning up/smoothing things (metal and wood).  They are
>> similar to a wire wheel brush - but 100 TIMES BETTER!!  Our local Ace Hdwe
>> store carries a few of their products - and can possibly order others.  I
>> will probably never ever buy/use a wire 

Re: New member

[Rg Max]

ask for pictures on a direct email - problem posting to group = sizes

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Rg Max <chat4w...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Rg Max <chat4w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Referred to as a Steeley Model, I was unaware. More pictures - for sale
>> all or part
>> and other tools for production. Interest contact me.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Rg Max <chat4w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Rg Max <chat4w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Helping liquidate master craftsman, stroke - nursing home for the kids.
>>>> Legacy pluss - contact gmail - chat4what - did a reply offering the Legacy
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Helping liquidate master craftsman, stroke - nursing home for the kids.
Legacy pluss - contact gmail - chat4what - did a reply offering the Legacy

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