Re: router crafter

[RYAN JURGENS]

Hartland Wisconsin is just 40 minutes west of my place. 
If I was there and someone wanted it I would jog over there, but I am currently 
7,500 miles away.

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  On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 11:34 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:   
Low and behold look what I found on Market place tonight. 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/559945429210426/
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 6:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 And Yes.
Linotec  Is a neat machine.

C.A.G.
On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 07:35:46 PM EST, Curt George 
 wrote:  
 
  "CHEAT"? 
"O"My!.?  ;-p
I DONT Cheat. I Modify! ;-)
If the world hands you a Lemmon, the only thing that I can suggest is to Make 
Lemmon-Aid. Yes my Gear indexing dose do the same things, (But, I still need to 
make it look prettier.) 
C.A.G.


On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 07:28:23 PM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 
Well you got that covered with your mod curt, otherwise its back to legacys 
counting of threads.

I do fine adjustments to the pitch by loosening the arm on the gear assembly 
and very carefully rotating 

One tooth of the index gear and retighten this is very useful for some times 
removing tear out

Because the same cut again removes a slight amount off just one side of your 
spiral but you have to return it after

That cut or your next start will be off a little, yes I cheat at times lol

  

Bill  

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2022 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter

  

Very Nice Video!

  

One nice element of this machine is being able to dis-engage the headstock and 
index the part. I wish Legacy had thought of that, when making there machine!

  

The quality of this video is very nice. NO words, but they get there point 
across, and still keep the info. fun to watch.

  

C.A.G. 

  

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 05:10:00 PM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote: 

  

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iQhJS4MZ5nQ&ab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

 

some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

 

Bill

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RE: LOM Purchase

[RYAN JURGENS]

Can anyone here in the USA tell what is a reasonable price for a rotary table 
for the LOM?
I have one, but I use it from time to time on various projects, but I have 
other ways to do what I do on it.
Ryan



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  On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 7:04 AM, wm.o.he...@gmail.com 
wrote:   
I am interested in a couple of the long rails if they can be shipped.

  

Bill Henry

Baltimore

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2023 10:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LOM Purchase

  

OK, that sounds good, I have my eyes on some gears for Arkady, and then I want 
the small parts guide. 

Now if we can get others to see what they would want and are willing to pay?




Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 9:35 PM Jeff Richmond  wrote:


Hi Tim, 

  

If it works out, I would be interested in the vertical vise. (From the left 
side under the machine, it’s the 2nd item going to the right)

  

I can’t see what’s else is in the box but maybe a rotary table drive shaft?

  

Jeff from Connecticut 
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On Oct 15, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:





Hey, I have legacy very close to me I would buy if I can part out 

and sell the parts. Anyone interested in anything on it?

  

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7041390955892736/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A121e9fe7-94d8-4ea9-b548-a4b6617ea9a3




Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[RYAN JURGENS]

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

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  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Round 2: Woodchuck for sale

[Ryan Jurgens]

Ok, so i am heading to NYC from Milwaukee on Aug 3. Returning August 11.
York is east of I-80 a bit of a ways, but I wonder if it would be neat to
pick up. Problem is, I have a brand new 1200 still in boxes that I need to
assemble. Yeah, sounds dumb I know. 13 years and still not done. Hmmm. Thus
a quandary. Anyone else thinking about it?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 2:01 PM Rick Waters  wrote:

> OK, so I won that auction, where the "flutter" (LOL) or more
> appropriately, the Woodchuck, was for sale on IRS Auctions.  I got it for a
> steal, $50.  $72 total, with tax and stuff.  But, I'm not sure why I
> thought it was located in Indian, but I did.  It's actually in York, PA.
>
> It's going to cost way too much for me to go to York, pick it up and
> transport it back.  Also, it's not worth it to pay someone to package it up
> and ship it.
>
> So...  It may be your lucky day!  If you are near enough to York, PA, to
> pick it up.  You can have this 'parts' machine for the low, low price of 1
> Thank You.  I know it's a high price for some, but that's the price.  Firm
> :)
>
> I might be able to send pic, if I can still access the auction.  But, it's
> an old woodchuck with a crank handle.  Plus an external motor attached to
> the large gear.  Original stand included.
>
> Rick W.
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Re: Round 2: Woodchuck for sale

[Ryan Jurgens]

No way I will sell my 1200. I know I will get her built but the great new
wife of mine has me traveling all over kingdom come! She is new to the USA
and I am showing her as much as I can while we have summer weather. Lol.
Been through 14 states in just three months.
And so far I have built her two bedroom night stands and close to done with
two living room end tables.
Besides Tim, once I saw the picture of your machine I knew I needed to get
mine done.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 4:15 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Sounds like you either needs encouragement, or sell it Ryan lol.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:15 PM Ryan Jurgens  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so i am heading to NYC from Milwaukee on Aug 3. Returning August 11.
>> York is east of I-80 a bit of a ways, but I wonder if it would be neat to
>> pick up. Problem is, I have a brand new 1200 still in boxes that I need to
>> assemble. Yeah, sounds dumb I know. 13 years and still not done. Hmmm. Thus
>> a quandary. Anyone else thinking about it?
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 2:01 PM Rick Waters  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so I won that auction, where the "flutter" (LOL) or more
>>> appropriately, the Woodchuck, was for sale on IRS Auctions.  I got it for a
>>> steal, $50.  $72 total, with tax and stuff.  But, I'm not sure why I
>>> thought it was located in Indian, but I did.  It's actually in York, PA.
>>>
>>> It's going to cost way too much for me to go to York, pick it up and
>>> transport it back.  Also, it's not worth it to pay someone to package it up
>>> and ship it.
>>>
>>> So...  It may be your lucky day!  If you are near enough to York, PA, to
>>> pick it up.  You can have this 'parts' machine for the low, low price of 1
>>> Thank You.  I know it's a high price for some, but that's the price.  Firm
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I might be able to send pic, if I can still access the auction.  But,
>>> it's an old woodchuck with a crank handle.  Plus an external motor attached
>>> to the large gear.  Original stand included.
>>>
>>> Rick W.
>>>
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Re: Round 2: Woodchuck for sale

[Ryan Jurgens]

Magnets. Have PA already. Lol

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 6:47 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yea would be another state to add to your list. Hope your collecting
> coffee cups or something. lol
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM rtjurg...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My wife and I are sitting here eating dinner and I laughed and said we
>> shour make a run to York PA.
>> Only 775 miles from here. Lol
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:35 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I understand but if no one can get it and you want to make a few bucks
>> back my offer stands I still need a couple of legacy motors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Rick Waters
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 20 July 2019 9:21 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Round 2: Woodchuck for sale
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the rub isn't it? I just want someone to pick it up and take it
>> home. No payment at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 6:16 PM  wrote:
>>
>> If you get some one to remove the motor and mounting bracket off that
>> woodchuck and ship it to you
>>
>> I will buy it from you for the $72 you want for the whole mill
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Rick Waters
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 20 July 2019 5:01 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Round 2: Woodchuck for sale
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, so I won that auction, where the "flutter" (LOL) or more
>> appropriately, the Woodchuck, was for sale on IRS Auctions.  I got it for a
>> steal, $50.  $72 total, with tax and stuff.  But, I'm not sure why I
>> thought it was located in Indian, but I did.  It's actually in York, PA.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's going to cost way too much for me to go to York, pick it up and
>> transport it back.  Also, it's not worth it to pay someone to package it up
>> and ship it.
>>
>>
>>
>> So...  It may be your lucky day!  If you are near enough to York, PA, to
>> pick it up.  You can have this 'parts' machine for the low, low price of 1
>> Thank You.  I know it's a high price for some, but that's the price.  Firm
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>> I might be able to send pic, if I can still access the auction.  But,
>> it's an old woodchuck with a crank handle.  Plus an external motor attached
>> to the large gear.  Original stand included.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick W.
>>
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Re: 2 Morse Taper

[Ryan Jurgens]

The pictures brought back memories of my machine shop days. I ran a 120"
VTM, a 5" Horizontal mill, 10' tracer lath, and a host of othe machines. At
the Rexnord/Nordberg plant where I worked they had a 26' VTM. Always loved
seeing the massive parts being machined on that HUGE machine. Then I went
into welding, and that was my most fun job!

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 1:22 PM  wrote:

> Mac I would too but that was many years ago and I lost  any photos in the
> house fire but here is a similar one about the same size you can get the
> idea also shavings from a cut and here is a video of a little one turned on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsP-1GMjz8
>
>
>
> And also some pictures of lake hume water valves with one of the 4 working
> I made them its not the biggest I made but definitely up there
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:38 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: 2 Morse Taper
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Since Curtis is on vacation, and will not see your email for another week
> or two, I'll go ahead and respond for him:
>
> "We would all LOVE to see photos of that machine."
>
> (Curtis always asks for photos.  I, for one, appreciate him asking for
> them - and folks providing them.)
>
> Thanks - we look forward to seeing photos of the vertical boring machine.
> I realize that was so long ago that the photos may be of the "tintype"
> variety - but they will be better than none. ;-)
>
> Mac
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Aug 5, 2019 1:18 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 2 Morse Taper
>
>
> My biggest machine was a vertical borer it had a 26ft chuck, among jobs I
> machined was big valves off some of our biggest lakes operating the machine
> one story off the ground watching all that mass revolving around below you,
> it did feel like controlling the world you could drive a truck through the
> middle of it ,man that was so long ago now I couldn’t even clime up on the
> machine to work it lolol😊 it sure sux to get old.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
> *Sent:* Monday, 5 August 2019 2:15 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* RE: 2 Morse Taper
>
>
>
> So off topic, but my favorite is an old Clausing lathe and an old no brand
> T-lathe off of a battle ship! That monster could swing around 4 or 5 feet
> diameter. Scariest machine I ran but you felt like you controlled the word!
>
> Back to the legacy topics please.
>
> On Aug 4, 2019, at 4:10 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> VDF lathe I remember them really good lathe I worked on one making pump
> shafts and impellers for a while in my engineering days
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 August 2019 7:24 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: 2 Morse Taper
>
>
>
> Thanks Tim
>
> I have the single locking collar for the chuck, have tried that with the
> chuck and all is o.k. I am well aware of morse tapers having bought and
> sold quite a few metal working lathes. The best one of all of them was a
> VDF German made lathe See http://www.lathes.co.uk/
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 6:11:43 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>
> No one mentioned to NOT hammer it in like you would a lathe.  In fact I
> would  recommend  that you take it out frequently.   You remove the knob
> from the end of the spindle and use the 1/4" Allen wrench to tap it out.
>
> If you don't follow this advice, you will find the drive gets stuck inside
> the socket and heavier means are necessary.
>
> If you really don't take this advice, the two metals will become one and
> they are seriously not for woodworkers to attempt getting them apart!
>
> So some of this was said tongue in check, but the double locking collar is
> the definitive way to go.  Last I checked, legacy still had then in stock.
> They are just two locking collars welded together. One has a smooth 1" bore
> that tightens on the drive an the other collar I threaded 1-8 that tightens
> on the spindle
>
> If you choose to use a chuck or a face plate you will need a smooth bore
> split collar to make the accessories turn true.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 2:41 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
>
> I have just put together my shortened 900 However I am not to impressed
> with the head stock 2 morse. Will there be a chance of it slipping if the
> tailstock dead center loosens and the pressure on the 2 morse eases . Do I
> need to locktite it or pin it somehow ??
>
> Richard
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RE: I need more room in my work shop

[Ryan Jurgens]

Hi Harvey and Jim,

 

I live on the North side of Milwaukee . . . I would enjoy meeting up with you 
guys on Thursday if you happen to have time for coffee or something like that . 
. . I have a 1200 still in the boxes, now positioned to be opened and 
assembled. Seeing one up close and together would be beneficial. J

 

Ryan Jurgens

Milwaukee WI 53209

(414) 975-5860

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of 4 Jim Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 12:20 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I need more room in my work shop

 

Heading to Milwaukee Thursday - may have interest in the drive motor (also) $$ 
asking ? Have the rest so pass it on to a buyer if they do not need ?

 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:51 PM Harvey Matyas mailto:hmatyas0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I know someone else was looking for a motor.  

If a bunch of members can put something together, I would love to have this 
unit be useful either whole or as a transplant unit.

 

Harvey

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 8:03 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Fair enough.  

 

It never hurt to ask.   I have some projects that I am planning to make. 

Thank you for your reply.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019, 08:44:32 AM EDT, Harvey Matyas 
mailto:hmatyas0...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Curt

 

I would like to sell everything at once.

I would part it out if I was sure everything would sell

If the group got together and said I will buy the bits for X, and you buy the 
gear linkage for Y and some else buts the rails for z and the shipping is

covered and x y  and z is sound $800, I would do it.

 

 

Harvey

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:41 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Harvey

What would  you sell that gear linkage for? (picture DSCN1763.jpg)

 

I could make my own, but if ???  Time is also Money. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 07:40:33 PM EDT, Harvey 
mailto:hmatyas0...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

More pictures

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 11:40:06 AM UTC-5, rtju...@gmail.com 
<mailto:rtju...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Harvey, will your new cnc be big enough to cut 4x8 sheets into parts? If so I 
would like to touch bases. I am in Silverspring on the north side. 

rtju...@yahoo.com <mailto:rtju...@yahoo.com>  is my email. 

Thnx

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:44 AM, Harvey

mailto:hmaty...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yesterday, I decided on getting a bigger CNC (Shard HD3).  It is coming 
tomorrow and I really don't have a lot of room in my shop.

 

I have decided to take down my Legacy and sell it.  

 

Is anyone interested in an 1000 that is over 8 feet long?

 

I paid $800 for it in Chicago and that is what I would like to get for it.  I 
am located in Greendale WI which is a suburb of Milwaukee. 

 

If anyone is interested and/or like more information or pictures, let me know.

 

In order to get it into my house, I had to take it apart.  So that is what I 
plan on doing tonight so that I can get the CNC into the room.

 

Thanks to everyone in this group, I really enjoyed the posts and pictures.

 

Harvey

 

 

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Re: 2006 Legacy LOM 1200

[Ryan Jurgens]

I have a pretty good dust collector setup now. I set the mill right next to
the collector with its own 4" collector hose, with an option to add a
second. A clean shop is always a goal for me. 😁😁

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 8:41 PM MWF  wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> You may want to "start" by finding one or two of the videos on "Dust
> collection/Control in the shop" that a contributor to this Group shared
> with us
> about 1 1/2 years ago.  I can only remember his first name: Russ - and he
> wore a "cowboy/western" hat (leather, I believe).
>
> I suggest you set your LOM and shop up to be capable of *significant*
> dust control - BEFORE you even start running The Mill.  If you don't - it
> will probably be like "Crack" (or other drugs?) - once you get going, you
> won't want to let up/stop to configure the place for capturing as much of
> the dust as possible.  You will have it EVERYWHERE!  Including the worst of
> all places - your lungs.
>
> I am sure someone reading this will be able to point you to Russ's site
> and videos (maybe it will even be "Russ" - if he's lurking.)
>
> Enjoy the "New Toy"!
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: "rtjurg...@gmail.com"
> Sent: Nov 12, 2019 8:19 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: 2006 Legacy LOM 1200
>
> I finished assembling my LOM 1200 Sunday morning.
>
> Once built, where do you start?
>
> At first I thought I would bring in a 5/4 oak board and flatten a face
> with a surfacing bit.
>
> Then I looked at my bench and saw all those glued pine blanks. 3"square
> and 32" long. Hmmm. How about playing with those?
>
> So be it. Tomorrow afternoon I will give it a shot.
>
> Ryan
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Re: Russ youtube channel

[Ryan Jurgens]

So how do you find this Youtube channel?.I searched but couldnt find it.
Maybe I am searching the wrong term?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:53 PM Harvey Matyas  wrote:

> From Russ
>
> You must be a member.  I thought they all knew I have my own youtube
> channel.  I have made many improvements (& videos) to my LOM  and I use to
> notify the group of these in the past.  I prefer YouTube for sharing LOM
> ideas and methods.  All Googlegroup members are invited here. I know of a
> handful of fellow LOM owners on youtube.  If they were shown any interest,
> they & myself would be willing to do more LOM videos sharing ideas and
> comments. I encourage all to start their own channel (video creating is
> only optional) to watch/share videos, comments, collaborate projects and
> ideas. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then just image what a video
> is worth :>)  GoogleGroup is old school.  Good to hear from you Harvey,
> it's been a while :>)  Please pass this message on to them and wish them
> well from me.
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Harvey  wrote:
>
>> Mac
>>
>> I did not want to hijack Ryan's post.  I checked Russ on his youtube
>> channel.
>> He had a new post as of yesterday
>>
>> I did mention in the remarks that someone was wondering what happened to
>> him.
>>
>> Harvey
>>
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Re: Russ youtube channel

[Ryan Jurgens]

I found his 25 Legacy videos, and quickly noted the one on dust collection.
I have been told that the Legacy makes more chips than any of the other
machines. I had anticipated that fact, and I saw a picture of a model 1800
that someone was selling that had these huge dust collector pans installed.
I had already told my wife that I didnt care for the included bag on my
brand new built 1200, but instead was going to put a 1/4" plywood skirt
between the rails. I did basically the same thing on my table saw, which
created a very nice suction from under the saw tabe. I will do the same for
my LOM.
I like a clean shop. This shouldn't be that hard to make. The biggest issue
will be to find a place to take all the chips as I unload my collector. I
wonder if this would make good pet bedding? Get a machine to make wood
pellets?

Ryan

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 11:55 PM  wrote:

> Hi russ how you going still playing cat and mouse with lions lolol 😊
> been a while since you did any legacy videos
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Jurgens
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 November 2019 2:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Russ youtube channel
>
>
>
> So how do you find this Youtube channel?.I searched but couldnt find it.
> Maybe I am searching the wrong term?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 8:53 PM Harvey Matyas  wrote:
>
> From Russ
>
>
>
> You must be a member.  I thought they all knew I have my own youtube
> channel.  I have made many improvements (& videos) to my LOM  and I use to
> notify the group of these in the past.  I prefer YouTube for sharing LOM
> ideas and methods.  All Googlegroup members are invited here. I know of a
> handful of fellow LOM owners on youtube.  If they were shown any interest,
> they & myself would be willing to do more LOM videos sharing ideas and
> comments. I encourage all to start their own channel (video creating is
> only optional) to watch/share videos, comments, collaborate projects and
> ideas. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then just image what a video
> is worth :>)  GoogleGroup is old school.  Good to hear from you Harvey,
> it's been a while :>)  Please pass this message on to them and wish them
> well from me.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Harvey  wrote:
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> I did not want to hijack Ryan's post.  I checked Russ on his youtube
> channel.
>
> He had a new post as of yesterday
>
>
>
> I did mention in the remarks that someone was wondering what happened to
> him.
>
>
>
> Harvey
>
>
>
>
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Re: dust removal

[Ryan Jurgens]

Now I understand a lot more what you meant. There are areas of our city
where people do the same. Just two weeks ago my neighbor suddenly had five
tires behind his garage. The city is constantly fighting garbage dumped on
public land and they have been installing more and more cameras. It is fun
to see them when they get caught.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:30 PM Brigitte Graham 
wrote:

> Mac,
> In UK "fly tipping" means to dump your waste (usually building materials)
> in a quite country lane, where no one will see you doing it.
> This is a huge problem here, because the council refuse dumps now charge
> for almost everything that you want to get rid of.
> Sanitary ware, plaster board UPVC window frames, plastic doors, any DIY
> plastic (guttering fascia boards etc) car tyres, part bags of cement,
> bricks., soil, rubble, water tanks, plastic, fibreglass and composite
> shower trays.
> The only things you can legally deposit at the dump now are small
> quantities of household rubbish, eg the odd mattress, small electrical
> appliances, fridges, garden waste and timber.
> Because it is expensive to dispose of waste, people (some) choose to do it
> illegally (generally in beauty spots).
> When it occurs on private land, (farmland) it is the land owners
> responsibility and expense to cleared it up.
> Some known fly tipping areas have started to install wild-life cameras, to
> capture number plates of vehicles.
> Brigitte
>
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 19:34, MWF  wrote:
>
>> Brigitte,
>>
>> What does "Fly tip" mean?  To dump/dispose of it on the highway - excuse
>> me - "motorway"?
>>
>> Also - Excellent point re: be sure there are no "toxic" wood
>> shavings/chips in the pile.  I have heard that Walnut is toxic for some
>> animals - and the specifically stated horses.  I don't know if that is true
>> - but if you have a horse, check into it.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brigitte Graham
>> Sent: Nov 22, 2019 8:46 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills
>> Subject: Re: dust removal
>>
>> Riding stables are often grateful for shavings for indoor riding arenas,
>> or soggy ground on X-country courses.
>> You have to be careful that the shavings are not from poisonous timbers
>> for small animals.
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 13:28, Michael Kratky 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But then again chips and dust can be a treasure to some; a few years
>>> back I was doing woodturning demos at a county fair when a youngster
>>> accompanied by his mom after intently watching for several minutes wanted
>>> to know what I was going to do with all of those shavings saying that he’d
>>> relish them as hamster bedding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *
>>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 1:45 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: dust removal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Way to go mac I knew would like that one I laughed for 15 min when I saw
>>> it I just had to share it and it serves the thieving vermin right to be
>>> stuck with a box of nothing but saw dust  😊
>>>
>>> 😊😊😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *MWF
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 22 November 2019 3:40 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: dust removal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill - I LOVED IT!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brigitte, What does "Fly tip" mean?  To dump/dispose of it on the
>>> highway - excuse me - "motorway"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just acquire your box from a neighbor or one of the places where they
>>> encourage folks to drop off their old Amazon, eBay, etc. boxes to be
>>> re-used.  In our area there are several stores that do that.  You drop
>>> yours off (at no cost) and I can get it for my use - also at no cost.  The
>>> idea being - it keeps it out of the landfill, keeps you from having to haul
>>> it there or put it out as trash or recycle, and keeps me from having to go
>>> to a store and buy a box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then if you want - just leave the old addressee info intact - it won't
>>> reflect you as the owner.  (I also liked Russ' idea to put the address of a
>>> local gov't official you you don't like - or the address of the
>>> "neighborhood troll".)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also - like Ryan stated - I seriously doubt that a "Porch Pirate" (PP)
>>> would spend the time to read the label (Assuming they CAN read!).
>>>
>>> Most likely the "bait on the hook" would be the large Amazon
>>> "smile/arrow" or the large & colorful eBay logo.  It'll get the attention
>>> of the PP's.
>>>
>>> You may want to put some of your scrap blocks of wood or a rotting
>>> firewood pile log in there too - to add some weight.  The heavier it is,
>>> the more apt the PP will think they've snagged a big'un!  Heh-heh!
>>>
>>> Mac
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Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the occasional Legacy user?

[Ryan Jurgens]

I actually had quite a bit of experience on Giddings and Lewis machining
center back in the late 80's and early 90's, that was on a five axis metal
working machine. When I started seeing the CNC stuff on the legacy I wanted
one, but about the time they were modifying the manual LOM's I was in the
middle of my big 3.5 year house rebuilding project.

Once the house was done I sat back for a few years and built up my wood
shop, picking up some pretty nice equipment and built Murphy beds and lot's
of end and night tables. I always thought about that CNC stuff, and got
close to considering the Legacy Maverick CNC 4x8. $26k was a nit much, but
I thought about all the things I could do with it . . . And then several
trips to the Philippines kind of took on a life of its own. 😁

Now that Teresita is here and I have a supportive wife, ( Uh, the trips to
the Philippines had a benefit of epic proportions.) I am now thinking about
all those fun things again, even finally putting together my New (old)
model 1200 LOM.
I have been doing some "stuff" on the 1200, but to be honest, my ultra
technical experience on the Giddings & Lewis spoiled me. I was able to edit
g code, manually entering lines into the programs directly on the machine
console. Back then the computer generated code was "sent" from an old DOS
6.1 operating system program called Genesis over network lines to the
machine console. From there I would pick it up and modify if and when
needed, which it very often did. I could even manually produce simple
programs for surfacing and making straight cuts of many types. This machine
also had a 16 place tool holder, and of course, who wouldn't like to have
that on a Legacy?

I noted the comment on the router shifting a bit on the LOM when changing
directions. I thought maybe I didn't assemble things quite right because I
see that also. In addition, I see some play in the outer rails when making
certain movements on the x and y axis cuts. I also have noted some drifting
on the z axis, I have the upgrade, and I now am beginning to think that
maybe the old plunge router sled might be more efficient for what I have
been doing thus far on the 1200.

JOE: you have the CNC package still in boxes? What would that go for it you
sold it to someone who might think about using it?

I have been thinking about modifying two LOM's to make a wide setup to
flatten boards and to do cut outs on plywood sheets. Just rambling thoughts
at this point. I have seen mills near here for a pretty los price that
might make it feasible. Maybe.

So, to CNC or not to CNC, that is A question.

I too have a computer IT background. I spent 25 years in IT, first with
building and implementing units and specializing in Windows operating
systems, then software, then Network systems. And then 20 years of
Government Public Safety System implementation and administration.

During all that time, when I saw the CNC era come into play at Legacy, my
heart was there. I visited John at Legacy in Utah four times during
business trips, even spending an hour with Tracy as he was working on a
project with the Maverick.

Hmmm.

I still think about it . . As I enjoy my retirement.


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 4:05 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> One of the things I definitely ran into was the slippage (don't remember
> the official term) when the CNC would change direction.  It is more
> accurate than what I did manually but I noticed that in some cases where
> the work was very detailed, I had to edit the Gcode and modify how the
> program worked so the cutting was always from the same direction.
>
> For example, when the CNC changed direction, the router in the Zaxis
> shifted very slightly.  I couldn't adjust it enough to completely take out
> all the play.  In most cases it didn't matter because the final cut would
> fix it, but in some cases I actually adjusted the Gcode so the second and
> any subsequent cuts was always coming from the direction as the first cut.
> I know the new CNCs have corrected this but the CNC upgrade to the LOM
> couldn't completely deal with this.  I just found a way to work around it.
>
> I also slowed the pace of work on my CNC as the entire mill could really
> rock around if I moved as fast as some of the stepper motors were capable
> of.
>
> Once the computer is talking to the CNC, the software Legacy provides
> (Conversational CAM) is actually pretty simple and most anyone could use
> it.  The challenge is just getting to that point.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-ornamental-CNC-mill/254446633978?hash=item3b3e3383fa:g:P6IAAOSw2Bdd7EG0
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure a cnc mill that runs on the old aluminium rails would be
>> worth owning yes it will do everything the manual mill does but its all the
>> stuff our old mills can’t do is what I would be looking at and I don’t
>> think the aluminium rail mills are accurate enough, too much play in the
>> slides. the linier bearing rails are much

Re: Height gauge

[Ryan Jurgens]

Why doesn't someone just call Legacy and see if it is ok? If tbey aren't
making them anymore than perhaps they won't mind.

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Denson
> That is a good offer, but Legacy and or Magnate, owns the copy writes to
> those profiles/templates...  I think we may have a problem selling anything
> with a copy infringement,
> I would suggest if you want a copy for your self. do so, but when money is
> involved Legal areas are a bit cloudy,   Which means lawyers... at the
> worst, and Making Legacy (the comp.) Mad, to be sure.
> I don't think its a good idea.
>
> With products like this, there really is not any money to be made. the
> market is just not there. Why take the chances, the penalty far out way the
> profit.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2020, 05:30:56 PM EDT, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Hey fellers,
> I got a set of the design router templates when I bought my used LOM 1200.
> I have a friend who wants a set of templates so I contacted a guy I know
> who has a laser engraver/cnc who says he can duplicate them for $30 ea. For
> the 3, $90.
> Is that a good price or is there a cheaper way?
>
> Sent from Denson's iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Donald Donley  wrote:
>
> 
> If you can't find what you are looking for - Woodcraft sells a number of
> Wixey products that may serve a a great substitute - good luck!
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 7:07 AM ITwoodwork  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, 25 May 2020 00:19:40 UTC+1, legacy woodworking wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where Legacy got the height gauge for the carrier
> upgrade?  I have somehow lost one of the little buttons on mine (I have had
> them fall out several times but most of the time I find them right away)
>
>
> Do you have a photo of the actual height gauge less the missing part, it
> may be a small metric thread rather than American.
> Cheers
> Roger in UK
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Ryan Jurgens]

For some reason I can't get anything tagged on the map. I get to the map 
(went to Google Chrome) but when I click on it there is no new map nor 
field to enter any information. Not sure why. I have Windows 10 on my 
laptop.

Ryan Jurgens

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 4:54:45 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all the off 
> topic messages in the thread.   
>
> We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  
>
> The map can be found here: http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
>
> For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
> http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
>
> This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel the 
> map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members don't 
> be shy. 
>
> -Tim
>  
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Ryan Jurgens]

Milwaukee Wisconisn, Legacy 1200 with z-axis and rotary table. (In the
original shipping boxes unassembled)

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 2:02 PM Tim Krause  wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> Thanks for trying, but at the moment the map is not taking any new
> members.  Where are you located and remind me what machine you own.
>
> Tim
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Jurgens  wrote:
>>
>> For some reason I can't get anything tagged on the map. I get to the map
>> (went to Google Chrome) but when I click on it there is no new map nor
>> field to enter any information. Not sure why. I have Windows 10 on my
>> laptop.
>>
>> Ryan Jurgens
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 4:54:45 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>> I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all the
>>> off topic messages in the thread.
>>>
>>> We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy
>>> Ornamental Mills are located around the World.
>>>
>>> The map can be found here: http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
>>>
>>> For instruction on how to place your marker on the map:
>>> http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
>>>
>>> This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel the
>>> map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members don't
>>> be shy.
>>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>>
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New (YES - NEW) Legacy Model 1200

[Ryan Jurgens]

Yes, you read that right. 

In July of 2006 I started working on my house. I added a second floor and 
redid the WHOLE outside of the structure which took me 17 months total., 
then I totally gutted and rebuilt the first floor, which took me another 6 
months. 

In November of 2006  I purchased a brand new Model 1200 with z-axis, 
turntable, and extra gears. 9 boxes total showed up on my doorstep, I was 
thinking about all the things I could do with it during the project  . .  .

The project was a consuming project. Not to many places to use the 1200, 
most everything was cabinets and floors and walls and trim work and so on.

The house project took me three years and four months, and I think it was a 
fantastic job. Built ALL my own cabinets, did all my own trim work, 
everything.

But the 1200 still sat down there waiting for me. It is a very patient 
machine. So far it has never complained..

It is now 2018, I just retired in June of 2018, been traveling all over 
kingdom come, and I have been thinking about this 1200.

I was really concentrating on perhaps picking up a Legacy Maverick 4x8 CNC, 
put aside the funds and everything.

Then I remember I am retired. I don't want to have to work to pay for that 
wonderful machine. And . . . I have a Legacy 1200. (Have I already 
mentioned that?)

So maybe for the fun of it I should finally unpack everything and have fun 
assembling it. And yes, I have TWO Porter Cable routers, so no problem 
getting the motor up and running to make this a completed machine.

As I said, I retired in June, and so far I have only been home for three 
weeks (it is now mid September). And I will not be home until December 3 . 
. . so stay tuned.

Winters in Wisconsin are not fun. Maybe a Legacy 1200 will be born in my 
living room where it is warm.


Ryan - Milwaukee WI

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Re: New (YES - NEW) Legacy Model 1200

[Ryan Jurgens]

Harvey, perhaps if we include him, even though in poor health, it might be
of some encouragement from a personal point of view? Just a thought.

Ryan

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 11:22 PM Harvey Matyas  wrote:

> Frank and Ryan
>
> I would be interested in getting together.  I have had my Legacy for a few
> years but haven't really done anything with it.
> I also know a 4th person that has a Legacy.  However, he is not in the
> best of health right now.
>
> Harvey
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:43 PM 'Frank Vidmar' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> Sounds good, soon
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 24, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>> >
>> > If you can see my email address below, feel free to get in touch with
>> me and we can make arrangements.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: 'Frank Vidmar' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:25 PM
>> > To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: New (YES - NEW) Legacy Model 1200
>> >
>> > That would be nice
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Sep 24, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That makes three of us here in the Milwaukee area with 1200's that I
>> now know of as of today. Perhaps we should make a little user group and
>> meet up?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: badboyvids via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:02 PM
>> >> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> >> Subject: New (YES - NEW) Legacy Model 1200
>> >>
>> >> Hello all I am a newbie out of Menomonee Falls wi and also just
>> purchased a legacy 1200. I have not used it as time hasn’t permitted with
>> work and all. Look forward to learning how to use it from you veterans. Any
>> Hepplewhite and advice will be helpful. Thank you.
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Re: Legacy 1200 and Magnate bits (new-unused) for Sale

[Ryan Jurgens]

Awesome setup, whomever gets that is one lucky person.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 8:37 AM Tim Ziegler  nice
> I could use that lol
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:49 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure this is it
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/tls/d/legacy-1200-ornamental-mill/6768046806.html
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2018 8:24 PM, Beach wrote:
>>
>> Legacy 1200
>>
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Ryan Jurgens]

I hate it when people give away my secret to making "custom" furniture or
wood pieces. Lol.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 1:52 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

> Yes
> Play a lot with your machine before trying to make anything for real.
> there is a small learning curve to the Legacy.
> Also use cheap wood, fire wood, yard clippings, old dunnage items, like
> pallet wood...  since you need to learn how it works, mistakes will happen,
> why waist  you hard earned money using good wood,
>
> and lastly, Do not tell anyone what you are making until its done. that
> way the four poster bed you plan to make, doesn't look so bad ending up as
> a pencil box.  ;-)
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019, 2:23:39 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the link Curt.  I did find Mike Pung's videos and subscribed to
> his channel so I can keep track of them.
> Any other advice you have on where to start as a beginner would be
> appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 10:35:13 AM UTC-8, Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello Chris
> Welcome to the group.
>
> Mike Pung has made a few video's on you tube that are great methods to use
> on the mill.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=170s
> 
> Crank Handle Indexing
>
> Ornamental mill indexing technique
> 
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=SjcFpO51upw
> 
>
> Mike's methods are not the only way to use the mill, but he dose a very
> good job using his methods, I rec emend trying them...
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019, 1:25:14 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello to the Legacy Ornamental Mills group.  I am a new member who just
> purchased a Legacy 1000.
>
> For about 10 years I have been turning wood as a hobby making pens, bowls,
> vases, and other gifts on my Jet 1642vs. I'm an active member of the
> Nor-Cal Woodturners in Sacramento, California.
>
> I'm hoping to use the Legacy to compliment my turning projects and to open
> up some other options in wood working.  Looking forward to learning from
> this group.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 5:07:09 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Hello New Members,
>
> This is a reminder that until you post a message, your messages must be
> approved by either an owner or moderators of this group to be
> posted.  Google sends an automated message to the people that
> are responsible for approving messages, but please be aware it can be a
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>
> Getting off the moderated list is easy as posting a message introducing
> yourself.  Asking a question related to the equipment or posting a photo is
> always good for getting instant approval.  I still believe this is a family
> friendly place so please don't be shy.
>
> As of today, there are 63 members that have joined since 2010 that have
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[RYAN JURGENS]

 I have been trying to add myself to the map, but it just doesn't seem to work. 
I click on the map as the instructions say but nothing happens. I am an IT guy, 
so I kind of know what should happen and I have tried what I can think of to 
make it work but no such luck. 
Suggestions?
Ryan
On Friday, January 25, 2019, 1:55:28 AM CST, Tim Krause 
 wrote:  
 
 The online thread is safe, you only deleted your local message base.On Jan 24, 
2019, at 8:29 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:


On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 3:54:45 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all the off 
topic messages in the thread.   

We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy Ornamental 
Mills are located around the World.  

The map can be found here: http://ornamentalmills.com/ map/usermap.html

For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
http://ornamentalmills.com/ map/map_directions.html

This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel the map 
should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members don't be shy. 

-Tim
 I can not get this to work?


Tim of ZWW&S 




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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Ryan Jurgens]

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original
shipping boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin
using it.

I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me
as I have built several things.



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  Does that mean that your LOM play time is put off till you cut a couple
> trees down and build a new house ?
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:14 AM rtjurg...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy,
>> hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and
>> there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing.
>>
>> So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great
>> and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our
>> machines?
>>
>> Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more .
>> . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest
>> in how we do woodworking here.
>> In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group
>> of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into
>> lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them
>> build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and
>> way of doing things for sure.
>>
>> Ryan Jurgens
>> rtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Well said Joe.
>>
>> As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know
>> that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His
>> customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a
>> recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was
>> CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors
>> open and his workforce paid and feed.
>>
>> Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough
>> decisions.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Roger in UK
>>
>> ​
>>
>>
>> ​
>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Received: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it
>> is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual
>> machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the
>> manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>> switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail
>> that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the
>> original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance"
>> fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to
>> not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the
>> dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate,
>> but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding
>> this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give
>> legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but
>> then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of
>> investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of
>> items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising,
>> marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to
>> shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts...
>> and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!...
>> but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split
>> nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if
>> anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>> LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or
>> accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a
>> thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much
>> railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>> others have made a very good point of &q

Re: Exact width dado jig

[Ryan Jurgens]

I have the exact width dado jig and a plethora of other tools from
Woodpecker. Very good tools. The red tools compliments the LOM. Lol

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 7:16 PM cole  I have seen woodpeckers come out with an exact width dado jig. I have also
> seen how to make my own , and so I was wondering how to make this concept
> work on the mill.
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RE: LEGACY FOR SALE

[Ryan Jurgens]

After looking at the list of items and seeing the pictures, there is this tug 
on the whole man cave heart that says I wish I had a lot of excess money to buy 
toys that could be used to build things.

 

But then . . . if I had that kind of money I believe I would buy the Legacy CNC 
Maverick 4 x 8 with auto tool changer. 



Yes, that would be my choice . . . 

 

But I hope someone can use the lot, it is an impressive collection. Likely will 
need to come down on the price, but that again is someone else’s decision to 
haggle that out if they are interested.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 4:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: LEGACY FOR SALE

 

Yes I was to understand it was for the whole lot I don’t like his chances for a 
sale at 8K

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 1:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: LEGACY FOR SALE

 

That is a lot of LOM's at one sitting. We can spread the word and keep this 
post active so it helps you in selling. 

So you're selling each machine and including its own parts then? 

I am pretty sure no one can afford the whole group of machines. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 4:22 PM Donald Donley mailto:apteryx...@gmail.com> > wrote:

For Sale Professional Grade LEGACY 1800

HEALTH Issues are driving this sale

It was only 70% assembled and never used by the owner.  I kept this unit (I had 
6 complete LOMS) and hundreds of parts, accessories, and Magnate Router Bits 
from the other units when we relocated to Southern Maryland.  There is more 
than $20,000.00 worth of many new and some slightly used accessories.  I have 
more than 90 pictures of the items in the 6 totes that go with the machine.  I 
WILL SELL ONLY AS A PACKAGE.  YOU CAN KEEP WHAT YOU WANT AND SELL WHAT YOU 
DON’T.

The price is $8,000.00 or best cash offer

I will post as much as the site permits.  Thank You!

 

LEGACY #1

Router Frame

2 Lathe Centers

Elevation Supports – 2

Supports – 2

PC Routers with Base, Plunge router 3 ¼ HP – 2

Router Bit Rack

Ball Socket Allen Wrenches – 3

Router Tracer Base

4 Pc Bracket Support

Drive Unit with Index

Support Bracket

 

LEGACY #2

Router Drive

Elevation Support – 2

Router Support – 2

Elevation Bracket – 3 pc.

1000/1500 Ex Duplex Gear

1000/1500 Ex Index Gear

Hand Crank – 2

Gear Assembly

Index Shaft

Support – 4

Horizontal Support

Half Nut – 3

Drive Shaft Support – 4

Drive Gear Small

Plastic Spacers – 9

Square Connectors – 13

L Connectors – 2

Elevation Connectors – 2

2 Bolt Connectors – 13

3 Bolt Connectors – 2

Variety Bolts

Tail Stock Drive

Jacobs Chuck

Lathe Face Plate – 2

Router Base

3” Face Plate

Allen Wrenches – 6

Shim – 2

Lathe Chuck Wrench – 2

Drive Pin Headstock

Form (Octagon)

Eliminator Chuck – 2

Short 80/20 – 2

Hand Cranks – 2

Brackets – 4

Gear Supports – 2

Bracket Supports – 4

Triangle Supports – 2

Feet – 4

Router Wrench – 4

Bolts – 3 – Bags

Ball Allen Wrench

Dogs – 2

Drive Gears – 2

Spacers – 2

Dust Blocker

Horizontal Bench Vice – 2 - Box

Thin Stock Support - Box

Spindle Pattern - Box

Eliminator Chuck - Box

Right Hand Spiral Drive - Box

Dogs – 6 – Box

Template Follower - Box

 

LEGACY #3

4” Binder with hundreds of pages of projects

Assembly Instructions 200/ 800/ 900/ 1200/ 1800/ 2000 and Accessories / Owner 
Manuals – 4

Ornamental Milling – 4

Magnate – 3

DVR Model 800 EX – 1

Contour Follower – 1

DVR Projects 1-5, 6-10

Hollow Spirals – 1

Design Kit

DVD – Training DVD (1&2) – 2, Demo – 3, Model 900, Legacy Design Kit

Design Kit

Garden Arbor

Legacy Design Kit with Templates

Index Hubs (Box)

Router Reducer

X and Z Table – Hardware

Handle

Drive Gears

Ball Allen Wrenches – 3

3” 3-Ring Binder – Projects, etc.

Ornamental Milling Volume 7

1” 3-Ring Binder – Manuals, etc. – 3

Binders, Manuals/Assembly – 3

Magnate Bit Profiles

Accessories, Manuals, etc. 

 

MAGNATE ROUTER BITS

3952 - Classic Spiral

3934 - Classic Plunge 

2704 - Bottom Cleaning Bit 

7571 - Rope Molding 

7551 - Barley Twist 

7561 - Shallow C/PT 

5463 – Bird Mouth

3952 – Classic Spiral - 2

5567 – Horizontal Crown

7563 – Shallow C/PT

3482 – Double Bead Plunge

1285 – Plunge Flat Roundover

810 – Core Box

351 – Plunge Bottom

7501 – Plunge Point Round

7561 – Shallow Classic

3481 – Double Bead Plunge

7531 – Rope Molding

8270 – Straight Bits

1282 – Plunge Flat Round

5265B – Straight Bit

7554 – Barley Twist

809 – Core Box Bits

3934 – Classic Plunge

2704 – Botto

Re: Legacy modal 500 for sale. $300.00

[RYAN JURGENS]

In the 1980's I started working for a German company here in the US. We did 
both metric and imperial. Over time, the metric became very easy.
Now retired, I spend half of my year in southeast Asia, 220v power and metric 
measurements while there, 110v and imperial while here in the US. I do well 
with both.
I pump my own gas here, they pump my gas there. I am OK with both.
I use self checkouts here, they check me out there. I do well with both.
We work with what we are comfortable with. And I for one will support and use 
whatever works whereever I happen to be at the time. 
Ryan 


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  On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:54 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Don't feel alone re: metric phobia Tim. I tried converting to metric in my 
woodshop shortly after I started in 1967, but there were too many obstacles and 
lots of conversion issues. Most of the machinery was English and most of the 
target installations were English. So to work in metric was an unecessary 
burden.  My work tolerance for most objects required at least three digits 
behind the decimal point, so rounding from say 1/2" to 13 mm was unacceptable. 
And if you use a 19 mm wrench on a 3/4" nut you will impose unnecessary wear on 
one or the other.  I've stripped round many a stubborn nut trying the mix and 
match.  Sometimes close is just not good enough, I don't care how much fun 
people make of it.  A lot of the worlds finest work has been done with neither 
English nor metric, and I've adopted a lot of ancient "technology" where number 
sticks of any sort are irrelevant. That's the cat's meow for me.DanK 


On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 6:55:24 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Not sure I want to try and learn that all over again. I let that out of the 
brain more than 45 years ago. lol. I remember what 19mm is and thats only 
because I grab a 19MM wrench sometimes from my wrench setto twin up with 3/4. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:20 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Tim,

 

I, for one, wish we had converted to the metric system a century ago!

Instead, we have been stuck with a real mixed bag of crap when it comes to 
measurements - length, volume, weight, etc.

Thank you Great Britain! NOT!!! (Sorry, Brigitte!)

 

If you know any cabinet shop pros (other than yourself) that have at least half 
a brain - they build in metric. 

The math is SO MUCH EASIER!

 

Tim, you need to drop your pre-conceived notions/opinions and build just ONE 
project using metric measurements. 

You won't go back!

 

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 20, 2024 11:02 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Legacy modal 500 for sale. $300.00

 
Yeah I am like you. I don't like the metric system so if possible avoid it like 
the plague lol. 
Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:25 AM 'Curt George' 
via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 Hey one last note. For those people like me. (not good with the metric 
system.) 1500mm (59") Is what I used depending on which rail you buy the price 
range could be $48.-$70. for two rails and bearings.and for this 500. the 1000 
(39 23/64") for $48.00 would be a cheap investment for you Legacy. ;-) OK!  
Got'a run now. take care everyone. C.A.G.On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 08:03:18 
AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote: Hey Guys. For the price, why not buy 
it and make your own Legacy/ machine, add linear rail (which is cheap at this 
time on Amazon.) 
(https://www.amazon.com/OrangeA-16-800mm-2xLinear-Automated-Equipments/dp/B07D9JRPG9/ref=sr_1_9?crid=3O6ZOCZLMJVC1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5nF2kpC9e06d4Uazs8esNr37KqhEKq7OrJtMqdrmRq5LVibABLK1FpefcGGJ4Ro5vOWB2-aotUxGTiSagK_B4KBYm7aYuhsZdXN8WCaGUbf-EpPLsv4Qx0mXG9jlGRD20zjqwNxrvi4NloFWqiL7G46TSvPXcu9TLOfBqSGJl-VcE4Z71BBTJQOCYDOjD3LMP4WOXp9hV-NRtWkmgO7aIJNUJA36ETG8k2qhu9BMd5g.drP49xafjzj1fSCPD5L17zPPzIoPwFI9Q-6CJSwnomU&dib_tag=se&keywords=16mm+linear+rail&qid=1721476678&sprefix=16mm+linear+rail%2Caps%2C92&sr=8-9
 ) So you can make your own new, X,Y,Z axis's.The plastic gearing , although 
cheap  quality, compared to the steel Legacy gears of the other machines, are 
useable, for most projects.While you are at it, why not switch or add a new 
acme screw to your machine? I used a 5/8-8 on my 200 and love it, By adding a 
new screw you can double the pitches you have with the gears. Perhaps a acme 
screw on each side of the  Legacy would make things look cleaner, or add both 
on one side to make it more convenient for using...? I Have to run now.Legacy 
is not just a machine its an idea. Why not make your own? ;-) C.A.G. On 
Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 07:41:23 AM EDT,  wrote: 
Nothing special just would be nice to have a few spares 

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 12:39 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re