Re: PEN TURNING

[anthony]

Olive is a great wood to turn.
Most of the pen kits use a tube inside the wood.
Olive can move a lot, and the tube is unyielding.
There are some glues that remain malleable that can reduce the chances of 
cracking.
Something else you can do is drill the hole for the tube, but don't glue it 
in for a month or so.
That gives the wood a chance to move after the loss of internal structure 
and the heat from the drilling.


_
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-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2022 9:46 PM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Re: PEN TURNING


I was going to order some of that actually soon.
Thought Olive wood would look pretty cool. Thanks for sharing Bill.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:27 PM  wrote:


Have any of you guys ever made pens from holy wood from Bethlehem.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133866725520?hash=item1f2b142090:g:Gp0AAOSwZSxhMMro=true



Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of SteveEJ

Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2022 2:34 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: PEN TURNING





 Nice job Tim. When I gift pens I have turned I try to match the wood with 
the reason for the gift and/or the person I give it to. When I was getting 
married some 22 years ago the pen I turned with oak and gave to my to be 
Father-in-Law. The reason was he loved it and it showed strength. Once for 
our church fund raiser I turned about 100 pens with bloodwood that obviously 
indicated the blood of Christ.








 I finally am getting my shop built with some organizing remaining. The 
Legacy 900 CNC and my Revo will be put to work then.








Long time reader but post very little. I hope the group doesn't mind.







Thanks,







Steve Jacobs



Brighton, TN, USA



On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:



Ok guys I am absolutely hooked. I turned my first pen today.







Pen kit: Slim Line from WoodCraft



lathe used PM 4224 B



Wood used Granadillo



Tools to turn Easy Wood Tools Rougher and finisher



Mandrel used White Side Pen mandrel and Barrel Trimming set.



Sanded to 400 grit the buffed up to white series brillo style pad



Finish 8-10 coats of Craft Supplies USA's CA glue w/accelerator (thin)



sand between coats horizontally



polished with:  Dr. Kirk's Micro Magic Polishing Wax



polished again with: Dr. Kirk's Scratch FREEE Woodturners Polishing Wax







Proud owner of this beauty: "My Wife"







let me know what you think. I'm hooked and will never look back.







Kind regards,







Tim J. Ziegler



Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty



14171 160th Ave



Foreston MN 56330







320-294-5798 shop



320-630-2243 cell



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Re: Todays bone turning.

[anthony]

There was a turner, Bill Jones, by name, who turned a lot of chess sets.
Most of them were turned from Boxwood and Blackwood, but some were turned 
from Ivory.
He simmered the Black pieces in strong tea for a while, and a couple of 
times, to get enough contrast.

That would work for you bone as well, I bet.

'
Uncertainty is humility in the face of ignorance.
'
-Original Message- 
From: M.W.Foscue

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 10:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Todays bone turning.



Or as the white/light color pieces on a chess board.

Mac



-Original Message-
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Sent: Sep 25, 2021 4:40 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Todays bone turning.



Very impressive Curt. I still have not stepped into the bone turning.
But it truly is an art of its own. You will soon be known as the "Master 
Bone Turner"
That bone would sure look great on a Set of Grilling Tools Curt. or have you 
done them already?




Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 1:33 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Hello Everyone.

I was able to find some good bone at a pet food store earlier this week.
So I cut them up and made some more bone disks, in which I glued up and then 
turned this morning.
I did two glue ups, one is the rope that I show here and the other is still 
in its blank stage, ready to turn, once I know what I want to make form it.)

Any question or comments, are as always welcome.

talk to you all more latter.

Have a great weekend.

C.A.G.




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Re: 17 inch pitch turning

[anthony]

If you use boiled linseed oil as a lubricant, you can use Danish Oil as your 
final finish.
It is pretty common here to make your own Danish Oil (Watco Danish Oil got 
purchased by another company about ten years ago and it is no longer useful 
as a Danish oil.) with 1/3 each; Boiled Linseed Oil, Mineral Spirits, and 
oil-based urethane.  I usually use a brand of urethane called Verithane. 
Two or three coats leaves a deep Satin finish, and you can keep applying it 
for more shine.



Are you feeling magnetic yet?
-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 17 inch pitch turning



I have never milled cherry so I don’t know. But you might try very slow rpm 
combined with quicker feed rate on a light finishing cut or maybe paint the 
wood with 50/50 watered down pva glue then take almost the same cut again 
just remove barely anything. The water makes the glue soak in to the wood 
and raises the grain and the glues mixes with the wood hopefully making it 
less likely to burn, try milling it wet then try letting it dry first if 
that doesn’t work. run the router at the slowest rpm and a faster feed 
rate.if all that fails try sokeing the wood over night in linseed oil before 
a very light finishing cut this will lubricate the wood like adding cutting 
oil when turning metal. Now these are just my ideas to try I have no idea if 
it will work or not, soaking in oil will stuff up any hope of applying any 
form of finish to the wood but it still could be buffed I think.




Just a couple of ideas these work on wood that is prone to tearing it might 
work with burning cherry.




Bill





From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 


Sent: Monday, 13 September 2021 8:16 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: 17 inch pitch turning







Hello Everyone.







Just killing some time today, playing with my Legacy.



I started out just making a rope cut, and ended up with this.







The wood is choke cherry,  I cut the tree down some years ago. Its air 
dried, appx. 3yrs + old. ( I think its 3yrs old it could be older?)








Cherry burns horribly, even though I took light cuts. (If anyone know of any 
tricks to keep cherry form burning, please let me know.)








As I said It started out as a test, and then I changed my plans as I was 
going.  I used four different router bit, (only two are shown in the 
photos.)   This is what I ended up with, at the end of the day. ;-)








C.A.G.



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Re: New project completed

[anthony]

Cherry trees that you get lumber from are WILD trees.
They have really small, bitter fruit where the stone takes up 2/3 of the 
space.
I guess that the wood of a cultivated cherry tree might also be used, why 
not, but it is not the stuff used to make most furniture.


Is it worse to be scared than to be bored, that is the question.
Gertrude Stein
。
-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 2:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New project completed



This is the only way I have ever seen cherry trees in Australia ,see the 
video in this 
https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/the-cherry-on-top/10395594 what 
you guys have must be a lot bigger type of tree grown for the wood not the 
fruit.




Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler

Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 4:27 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed







Looks like the updated version of my book.



Lots of useful info in there and looks like it has been updated several 
times, since I bought it.









Kind Regards,







Timothy J. Ziegler



Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty



14171 160th Ave.



Foreston MN 56330







320-294-5798 shop



320-630-2243 cell











On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM  wrote:



There is this https://www.wood-database.com/ I found

It had this https://www.wood-database.com/?s=cherry



Bill









From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 4:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New project completed





Thank you tim any cherry trees here are small and in orchards they harvest 
its fruit never the wood




Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler

Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 1:09 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed









On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 9:37 AM  wrote:



Can someone please post a pic of a cherry tree that the wood is harvested 
from so I can see what they are like. No stupid stuff like a coke can please 
I genuinely want to see what the tree looks like to see if we have them here 
anywhere




Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler

Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed







lol I like Mountain Dew and my cherrys fresh from the store. stems, pits and 
all.




Cherry pop has never been a favorite of mine.  Though Cherry 7up maybe.








Kind Regards,







Timothy J. Ziegler



Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty



14171 160th Ave.



Foreston MN 56330







320-294-5798 shop



320-630-2243 cell











On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:




Cherry Coke! ;-p  I like that Mac.







Thanks.



C.A.G.







On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:12:20 PM EDT,  wrote:











I have tasted that so I guess I do know a little lol



Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue

Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: New project completed







Bill,

Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make.

Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!

Mac



-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: New project completed







Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry



Bill





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler

Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed







Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip 
load will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy 
are a bit slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie 
specific. When I worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground 
specific for species and also had different hook angles to work with. But in 
our shops we have to work with what's out there. None the less this was a 
cool project and has my wheels turning. Keep up the great work.








Kind regards Tim







On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:




Hello Everyone.







this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs 
for, For a number of years.








The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with a 4" pitch. Both right and 
left handed pitches.  The wood is Cherry,




I learned a lot on this project. (or re-learned things I though I already 
knew.)  Cherry burns easily. and when cutting across the grain, you not only 
need to keep a keen (sharp) edge, but the profile angle of the router bit 

Re: Gears

[anthony]

2.25" is what I need.  I think that you can already do the 2.5".
I saw the gears you made, looks like good job.  I am tool poor.  I have two 
lathes, a chainsaw, and a compressor with some pnumatic tools.
I know how to do the work, I was a cabinet maker and repaired old furniture 
a long time ago, but neither the money nor the space for them.  I certainly 
don't have a metal-cutting scroll saw.
I built my big lathe 25 years ago using another persons shop, and discovered 
that I could no longer cut wood square.  I haven't looked back.


I have made one CAD drawing, and a buddy made another.  I think that it will 
be enough to make something work.  I was kind of surprised at the size of 
the square hole in the middle of the gear - kind of a strange size. 
Probably just happened on the first mill made when they started out and they 
never changed it.


anthony

To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears



Hello everyone.
Tim the Wood Chuck had a .5 gear set, Legacy never made one for there newer 
Legacy's, But I do think it might make the pitch Anthony is looking for.
Woops! Bill you said Anthony wanted a 2 1/4" I though it was 2 1/2" he 
wanted?


Hopefully Anthony will chime back in, There is "always" a way to get 
anything done, But some ways are more practical then others. ;-)


Have a good night.

C.A.G.

On Friday, April 30, 2021, 06:48:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:



Hey Curt,

Not sure who might chime in on that one but I;m pretty sure I have them, 
you'll just have

to tell me what I'm checking.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 12:09 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:



Hello Everyone.
Thank you Bill, for posting the X 4 gear set.

Anthony If I remember you original question was about achieving a pitch that 
you could not get with your standard gear set.




The easiest way to control the rotation speed (or pitch here.)  would to be 
to make a duplex gear, the outer part moves fast and the smaller one would 
move slower, because of the axis of both gears would be the same.


Here is an idea for you. Legacy when they were Phantom. made a .5 gear set 
for there Wood Chuck machines.
It might be easer to ask one of our group members who own this gear set, to 
let you know the sizes of those gear set, then you can copy the sizes of the 
gears to make your own set? there is no reason why you need to re-invent the 
wheel.


I wish you luck on this.

talk to you more latter.

C.A.G.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 07:48:31 PM EDT,  wrote:


Ps that A- gear of yours (yes good name lol) if it works for the 21/4  inch 
pitch for your balusters
Used with the.25 reduction gears I wonder if you will get a 5/8 pitch very 
interesting.


Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of 
bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Friday, 30 April 2021 9:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gears

Yes I remember that now it looks like you may have solved your problem are 
you going to make the gear yourself or have it laser cut somewhere? as I 
think I said before with lots of patience and a scroll saw you can cut your 
own if your desperate I did when I made a 112 tooth pitch gear and a 15 
tooth index gear and even duplex gears when I was chasing very fine pitches 
on the legacy


Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of anthony

Sent: Friday, 30 April 2021 3:08 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears

I thought my notation of "A-" (Read as A minus.) was a clever notation; a 
quarter of the distance from"A" towards "B."
The gear I am making has 82 teeth and an appropriate change in diameter of 
the gear.
The A gear has 90 teeth and the B gear has 60 teeth with appropriate changes 
in the diameters of the gears.  I measured all of the "drive" gears, and the 
ratios are all consistent through the series.


And to the question, I am making a reproduction of some balusters in an old 
house.  It is the original problem I came seeking help on three months or so 
ago when I joined the group.


anthony

To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gears

In-between A and B gear that’s interesting are you making it for a 
particular project?


Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Thursday, 29 April 20

Re: Gears

[anthony]

I thought my notation of "A-" (Read as A minus.) was a clever notation; a 
quarter of the distance from"A" towards "B."
The gear I am making has 82 teeth and an appropriate change in diameter of 
the gear.
The A gear has 90 teeth and the B gear has 60 teeth with appropriate changes 
in the diameters of the gears.  I measured all of the "drive" gears, and the 
ratios are all consistent through the series.


And to the question, I am making a reproduction of some balusters in an old 
house.  It is the original problem I came seeking help on three months or so 
ago when I joined the group.


anthony

To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gears

In-between A and B gear that’s interesting are you making it for a 
particular project?


Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of anthony

Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2021 1:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears

I am making a gear between the "A" and "B" gear.
88 mm in diameter with 82 teeth.
I don't have easy access to the mill, I was just looking to finish the 
drawing before making the journey.

anthony

To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gears

Without going out to the shop and mic the square on the leadscrew I cant 
tell you that can you measure the shaft on your mill?

So your making drawings of the duplex gear? If so what about the index gear?

Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 3:26 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Fw: Gears

I am in the process of finishing up a CAD drawing to make a 2.25" pitch gear 
of the type that goes with the right-hand side of the attached file.
According to my calipers (Not battery driven.), that square hole in the 
middle of the gear reads as just less than 7/32" on a side.  I can't believe 
that something that odd was intended.
So, the question is, what is the actual dimension of the shaft that the gear 
fits on?

anthony


To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears



Hello Arkady

I will have to go out and take some pictures of it latter.
These photos are the only ones that I have on file at this time.
You can see there is a square nut wielded to washer, the gears go over and 
onto the square shaft making a small duplex gear that I can place in the 
Legacy's gear linkage. (My set-up goes into the gear set up where the 
directional gear set would normally go.)


I also have fully photo's of Joe's set up.
C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 04:15:34 PM EST, Arkady Paka 
 wrote:



Thank you Curt. Can I see any blueprint and/or photo of your 234 gear set?


вс, 7 мар. 2021 г., 15:52 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
:


Hello Arkady

NO !  I'm pretty sure that they will not match up to the Legacy's gears.

What I am suggesting is to make a duplex gear form one of the Legacy's gears 
and combine the two into one gear set that can be used on the Legacy.
As a matter of fact. Legacy did this, when they switched making there gear, 
from machined to laser cut. (big teeth vs the small ones.)


A few years ago I made my X-2,3,4 gear set. I made a square shaft ,and a 
mounting plate. on this, I used a 96 tooth gear as the large gear. and then 
I could put any one of three gears onto the square shaft it to make the gear 
ratio that I needed. (4x is 24/96, X3 is 32/96, X2 is 48/96) This gear set 
can be used in conjunction with the other Legacy gears, So if I need a gear 
setting, I can go to the graph, and look up the pitch, and then multiply 
that number X  what ever I need, to make the pitch I want.


Now these gear I am suggesting here are not the same as I had cut. but they 
are also cheaper to buy. With a little work, (Most of what I did was made 
with the use of a file and a few tack wields), You could make your own gear 
sets, to make what ever pitches you want.


A few year back we had a member make there own gear sets 
https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/NRI4-q17xz8/m/qz4wSch25-sJ
Joe made his own sets, It looks a little crazy but it worked well. As a 
matter of Fact. Bill also used chain and gears to make different pitches on 
this same link.


When there is a Will! there is always a Way to make the job get done.

"Legacy where the only limitation, is y

Re: Gears

[anthony]

I am making a gear between the "A" and "B" gear.
88 mm in diameter with 82 teeth.
I don't have easy access to the mill, I was just looking to finish the 
drawing before making the journey.

anthony

To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
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-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gears

Without going out to the shop and mic the square on the leadscrew I cant 
tell you that can you measure the shaft on your mill?

So your making drawings of the duplex gear? If so what about the index gear?

Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of anthony

Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 3:26 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Fw: Gears

I am in the process of finishing up a CAD drawing to make a 2.25" pitch gear 
of the type that goes with the right-hand side of the attached file.
According to my calipers (Not battery driven.), that square hole in the 
middle of the gear reads as just less than 7/32" on a side.  I can't believe 
that something that odd was intended.
So, the question is, what is the actual dimension of the shaft that the gear 
fits on?

anthony


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-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears



Hello Arkady

I will have to go out and take some pictures of it latter.
These photos are the only ones that I have on file at this time.
You can see there is a square nut wielded to washer, the gears go over and
onto the square shaft making a small duplex gear that I can place in the
Legacy's gear linkage. (My set-up goes into the gear set up where the
directional gear set would normally go.)

I also have fully photo's of Joe's set up.
C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 04:15:34 PM EST, Arkady Paka
 wrote:


Thank you Curt. Can I see any blueprint and/or photo of your 234 gear set?


вс, 7 мар. 2021 г., 15:52 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
:


Hello Arkady

NO !  I'm pretty sure that they will not match up to the Legacy's gears.

What I am suggesting is to make a duplex gear form one of the Legacy's gears
and combine the two into one gear set that can be used on the Legacy.
As a matter of fact. Legacy did this, when they switched making there gear,
from machined to laser cut. (big teeth vs the small ones.)

A few years ago I made my X-2,3,4 gear set. I made a square shaft ,and a
mounting plate. on this, I used a 96 tooth gear as the large gear. and then
I could put any one of three gears onto the square shaft it to make the gear
ratio that I needed. (4x is 24/96, X3 is 32/96, X2 is 48/96) This gear set
can be used in conjunction with the other Legacy gears, So if I need a gear
setting, I can go to the graph, and look up the pitch, and then multiply
that number X  what ever I need, to make the pitch I want.

Now these gear I am suggesting here are not the same as I had cut. but they
are also cheaper to buy. With a little work, (Most of what I did was made
with the use of a file and a few tack wields), You could make your own gear
sets, to make what ever pitches you want.

A few year back we had a member make there own gear sets
https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/NRI4-q17xz8/m/qz4wSch25-sJ
Joe made his own sets, It looks a little crazy but it worked well. As a
matter of Fact. Bill also used chain and gears to make different pitches on
this same link.

When there is a Will! there is always a Way to make the job get done.

"Legacy where the only limitation, is your imagination"

C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 06:37:42 AM EST, Arkady Paka
 wrote:


Hi Curt. Are you sure these gears match Legacy gears?

Arkady from Ukraine.


вс, 7 мар. 2021 г. в 09:07, :


Well an 80 and a 40 tooth gears are a 2 to 1 ratio there is 2 X gears right
there



Nice find curt



From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, 7 March 2021 4:05 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Gears







https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Precise-Replacement-Milling-Machines/dp/B08QHHFQ86/ref=sr_1_250?dchild=1=milling+machine=1615092585=8-250







Hello Everyone. I don't know how many of you will like this idea.



These gears, although will not mate up the Legacy's gears directly, could be
used to make a set of Duplex gear sets, that then could be used on the
Legacy to adjust the gear pitches.



For the price I think this may be a idea people here might like to think
about?




Amazon has a number of different sets ranging form $53-$78.00







C.A.G.



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Re: Gears

[anthony]

I am making a drive gear.  It would be an A-, being a quarter of the way 
between drive gear A and B.

Gives it a pitch of 2.25 inches.
I think I drew it as 88 mm in diameter with 82 teeth.
After I have it made, if it works, I will post the CAD file.
anthony

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-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears



Hello Anthony
Before we go to far into this, Just to make sure we are talking the same 
things here.

The .25 reduction gear set is what you plan to make. Right?

The drive gears are the only gears with a square cut in them. Legacy gives 
these gears a letter classification on the Legacy gear chart. (A-F)
The Reduction gear set is a Two gear set, made up of the Duplex gear (two 
gears combined together), and an indexing gear that has a rectangle cut into 
it for mating the gear up with the Legacy's headstock.


Now If I read your question correctly.  the acme screw, square part, which 
the drive gears set on is ,310 on my machine.
If you want I can take measurements of the gear set for you? but as I 
understand it, the pitch of the gears teeth have a lot to do with the 
diameters of the gear its self,  By just knowing the size will not help you 
out much.
If I were your, I would call Legacy, and ask for Cindy. Or e-mail Tim Krause 
, I know he would be able to fully explain all the details to you.
As for my-self, I know how to use the gears, and a basic understanding of 
how they work, But the finer details of why they work, is beyond me at this 
time.  Perhaps one/some of our members could explain the details to you. I 
know Mike, and Joe, and perhaps Russ or Richard? could do a better job with 
this then what I can do.

But I would try Tim first. and then perhaps you could try the others?
I wish you luck on your project.
And Please keep us up to date on how it turns out for you.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 01:51:58 AM EDT, anthony  
wrote:



I am in the process of finishing up a CAD drawing to make a 2.25" pitch gear
of the type that goes with the right-hand side of the attached file.
According to my calipers (Not battery driven.), that square hole in the
middle of the gear reads as just less than 7/32" on a side.  I can't believe
that something that odd was intended.
So, the question is, what is the actual dimension of the shaft that the gear
fits on?
anthony


To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.
.
-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gears



Hello Arkady

I will have to go out and take some pictures of it latter.
These photos are the only ones that I have on file at this time.
You can see there is a square nut wielded to washer, the gears go over and
onto the square shaft making a small duplex gear that I can place in the
Legacy's gear linkage. (My set-up goes into the gear set up where the
directional gear set would normally go.)

I also have fully photo's of Joe's set up.
C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 04:15:34 PM EST, Arkady Paka
 wrote:


Thank you Curt. Can I see any blueprint and/or photo of your 234 gear set?


вс, 7 мар. 2021 г., 15:52 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
:


Hello Arkady

NO !  I'm pretty sure that they will not match up to the Legacy's gears.

What I am suggesting is to make a duplex gear form one of the Legacy's gears
and combine the two into one gear set that can be used on the Legacy.
As a matter of fact. Legacy did this, when they switched making there gear,
from machined to laser cut. (big teeth vs the small ones.)

A few years ago I made my X-2,3,4 gear set. I made a square shaft ,and a
mounting plate. on this, I used a 96 tooth gear as the large gear. and then
I could put any one of three gears onto the square shaft it to make the gear
ratio that I needed. (4x is 24/96, X3 is 32/96, X2 is 48/96) This gear set
can be used in conjunction with the other Legacy gears, So if I need a gear
setting, I can go to the graph, and look up the pitch, and then multiply
that number X  what ever I need, to make the pitch I want.

Now these gear I am suggesting here are not the same as I had cut. but they
are also cheaper to buy. With a little work, (Most of what I did was made
with the use of a file and a few tack wields), You could make your own gear
sets, to make what ever pitches you want.

A few year back we had a member make there own gear sets
https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/NRI4-q17xz8/m/qz4wSch25-sJ
Joe made his own sets, It looks a little crazy but it worked well. As a
matter of Fact. Bill also used chain and gears to make different pitches on
this same link.

When there is a Will! there is always a Way to make t

Re: smile

[anthony]

I have to agree.  Jokes are good.
I read the funnies and political cartoons in two papers every day.
anthony

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-Original Message- 
From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: smile

I agree 100% Richard.
Cheers all
Denson


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On Apr 27, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Cole Andrews  wrote:



I agree.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:



I have  read the replies and I think it a very very sad day when folk can't 
take a joke.

Richard

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:59 PM UTC+1 aussiman wrote:


If the price of lumber keeps going up?



Smile guys





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Re: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

[anthony]

Are you talking about an ACME thread; where the profile of the thread is 
square?

A lot of standard threads are cut in wood.  Sixty degrees, isn't it?


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-Original Message- 
From: M.W.Foscue

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 9:23 AM
To: LOM Group
Subject: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit


Hi ya'll,

New Topic here:

The below link is to a router bit sold by Magnate.
It is described as one for cutting threads in wood - with a 90º angle.
Bill, you (and maybe others) discussed the angle of the "the valley" the 
cutter makes - that it is different for metal vs wood.

Is it also different for hard woods vs soft woods?

Has anyone used the below Magnate bit to make threads?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=true

Have a Safe & Fun-filled weekend!
Mac




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Re:

[anthony]

I started out chasing threads without the arm brace, and didn't like it very 
much when I first did use it.  Put it away for a couple of months before 
trying it again.  I was fortunate in getting to see Alan Batty and Bill 
Jones several time in Utah symposia and saw that it served a valuable 
function for them.  I like it a lot now - it makes starting a thread easier, 
but sometimes I still put it aside when I have erred by starting an 
arrhythmic thread.  Going strait across the rest can sometimes help me 
straighten out a badly started thread.
I think whatever method you initially choose, I would keep at it until you 
have some success before making big changes to your method.  Learning to 
chase threads really is about practice.


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-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 11:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Re:

No I will talk about anything lol
A thread chaser man I like your style on the internal thread do you find the 
chaser hook helps I been thinking of buying one?


Bill

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 6:08 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:

People started talking about threading.
Hope this isn't breaking topic rules, but just had to show.

Material is Osage Orange, about 2.3 inches in diameter.
Roughed and then left to season for about six months.
Threads are 16tpi with a wax finish.

I try to avoid taps and dies on wood, but I use taps on real small openings.
I made some toothpicks out of ivory, and each one fits into its own 
sheath/box which I used a #8 by 32tpi tap for.  The male had to be chased as 
a die leaves a taper for short lengths.


There is a tap and die set up from Garret Wade for big something like you 
are asking about.
And of course there are three or four set ups for mounting a powered cutter 
on a wood lathe.


anthony


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-Original Message-
From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 10:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

Hi gentlemen,
Has anyone turned threads on the legacy?
I want to make some 2” diameter threaded wooden rods.
Thanks in advance.


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On Apr 3, 2021, at 11:34 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:





Maybe these pics will make it clearer now the numbers in the graph are gear 
pitches not the dia of the gear, always go by the number of teeth to know 
the size of the gear




Bill





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Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 2:22 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:





I just hope legacy has them for you Brett, just make sure you say the 
A,B,C,D,E,F and G gears in your case you already have the B gear




Bill





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Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 11:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject:







Now I need to get the drive gear set,it's what I should if bought all along



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Re: Ice fishing dream LOM

[anthony]

Guy wants to go ice fishing.
He, a buddy, and his dog drive new pickup out onto the ice.
Ice is really thick.
Guy doesn't want to work hard to make a hole in the ice.
Has a bright idea to create a hole with dynamite.
Lights the dynamite and throws it fifty yards out.
Dog, a retriever, runs after the dynamite and starts to bring it back.
Guy thinks, oh soft doggy poop!
Starts yelling and screaming and waving and throwing things to keep dog 
away.

Dog gets scared and runs under pickup.
Dynamite goes off.
Ice breaks and new pickup truck sinks.
Kind of like a Montana country and western song, already lost his do and his 
truck, wife is going to hear about lost new truck and take trailer and 
leave.



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-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:35 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ice fishing dream LOM


Hey come on the suspense is killing me?
Not only that the rain is destroying my ice and my last chance to go out 
this year.



Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:19 AM anthony  wrote:
Do you know the one about making the hole in the ice with dynamite, the new
truck, and the dog that fetches?



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Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:38 PM
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Subject: Ice fishing dream LOM


Hey Mac you'd asked about my fish house set up. Here it is. Sorry doors are
zipped open



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Re: Ice fishing dream LOM

[anthony]

Do you know the one about making the hole in the ice with dynamite, the new 
truck, and the dog that fetches?




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Subject: Ice fishing dream LOM


Hey Mac you'd asked about my fish house set up. Here it is. Sorry doors are 
zipped open




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Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I live in Overland Park, KS.  It is a part of the Kansas City Metropolitan 
area.
I taught at the Local Woodcraft for a long while, but they aren't doing much 
now.  We do some classes at the local turning club. 
http://kcwoodturners.org/  Just did a beginning spindle class, and will soon 
start a beginning bowl class.

I have never done any stuff In New York.

I demonstrated in Florida a couple of times and a small one in Richmond or 
one of the Carolinas - you get over there on the other side of the 
Mississippi, and it all kind of blurs together.


Zoom is nice, but I much prefer physical presence when I demonstrate or 
watch.

The Instant Galleries are also better in person.

Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Michael Kratky

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for some new projects.

Anthony where are you located and teaching turning? I've been doing the same 
for the last 20 years here in upstate NY and adjacent Massachusetts, like 
you Covid has shut me down to the point that I'm losing interest and may 
move on to something else but do find zoom an interesting outcome.



Michael Kratky
Electrical Fire Underwriter Inspector and Consultant
Commonwealth Electrical Inspection Services, Inc
NY State Greater Capital District-Adirondack Regions
119 Riverview Road
Northville,  NY 12134
theinspect...@roadrunner.com
(518) 863-8800 ofc
(518) 207-7247 mobile



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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anthony

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

I teach woodturning classes.  The one I did today is local.
I traveled around some and did demos and hands on classes at clubs or 
symposia.  I use the past tense as the covid has made that difficult for the 
last year.  I will probably start again as it gets better, but using Zoom 
may have some effect on that.




Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer, and 
the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete, It is better to 
decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Thanks for sharing that Anthony.
I find that very interesting and appreciate your attention
to detail.

You come across as a true craftsman.
I can also tell you are passionate about your turnings.
Are you teaching woodworking classes? Just curious and
you don't have to answer if you wish not too.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM anthony  wrote:
Here are some pictures of a cup chuck that I am using to make boxes like I
showed images of earlier.
It must be sized correctly to the piece being held, and the inside leading
edge has to be crisp and within a degree or two of 90.
If the chuck is correct, you can do most eliptical work in it.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Hey Anthony,

Any time you reference something like this chuck your talking about can you
download a pix or two?
Just be curious to see some of these items. Possibly others would be
interested too?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 11:22 AM anthony  wrote:
A cup chuck.  The important part of the cup chuck is shaped like the inside
of a coffee cup with the rim being very crisp and of a diameter just
slightly smaller than the major diameter of the sphere and friction holds
the sphere in place while you work it.  The sphere can be placed in the cup
chuck at any orientation to permit access to its entire surface.  To make
the box, all of the work on the sphere is done in the cup chuck except the
initial step of turning the stock from square to approximate sphere.
The internal box, that piece that comes out of the sphere, is turned mostly
in a regular four-jaw

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I am not certain what kind of bits to use.  It looks like a roman ogee and a 
round over bit to me, but I am not confident.  I made most of one by hand, 
the beads are not yet well formed enough, but I am not excited about doing 
it again.  It hurts.

Did you say that there is someone who can make gears?

__
In the realm of ideas it is better to let the mind sally forth, even if some 
precious preconceptions suffer a mauling.

-- Robert F. Goheen
.__

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:17 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



NIce are  you going to use a classical spiral bit now?

an hour each sounds pretty good.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 02:07:23 PM EST, anthony  
wrote:



The turning is long since done.  Took me about an hour each.
I am getting ready to go teach a class.
Talk again this evening.


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=230192
this router bit would give you the cut you are looking for. ( A rope with
the two flats.)
If I had to guess I would say a 1" or larger (what ever the dia. of the
spindle is what I would use.)

If I were going to make these, I would use both the lathe and the Legacy.
On your spindle you have only three types of cuts, The Roughing cut. and
then two final cuts.
The Transition cuts around the squares will be hardest trickiest part.
this could be done in a number of ways.

A very small beading bit (most likely a 1/8") for the transitions cuts by
the squares.(I would do this on my lathe. but there are other ways to make
this cut.) (even a hack saw blade could work on this cut, after a light cut
form the 1/8" beading bit's cut to deepen the cut...?)
The bead/ball on the top looks like it uses the same as the rope, If so the
classical plunge router bit could do everything else.

ONE other note. Just so we are talking the same, a Pitch is . How far the
spindle moves for one full rotation. It really dose not matter where you
measure your cut form.
I think I 3" pitch would work just as well as a 2 1/2". By eye it would be
pretty hard to tell the difference as long as everything is the same.
(uniformity is the key!)
I hope this helps you out?
Please let me know what you think?

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 03:18:57 AM EST, 
wrote:


If that is a 2 start spiral then the pitch is measured from the center of
the spiral to 2 twists down see the pic dark arrow. Are the flats your
referring too were the yellow arrow is pointing in the pic. If so they would
be done after you mill the barley with a planning bit of the appropriate
width using the same pitch as the barley.as for other gears you may need you
will have to find a laser cutting person to make them for you anyone here
with a with a legacy 1000 could give you the sizes to give the laser
cutter.i hope that is what your asking
Bill


-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of anthony
Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2021 4:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

This is the original message with the question in it.
attached is the image of the sample balusters.

I am reproducing five balusters that have a double-start barley twist.  A
normal double-start twist, I would usually make by hand.  These balusters
have four flats that parallel as a transition between each bead and cove
along the twist.  These make it very difficult to work by hand.

I have gained access to a legacy 1000 mill.  Unfortunately, the travel of
the twist is 2.25 inches.  That means that I either need a 2.25 or 9 gear;
the latter could be used with the .25 reduction gear.  Unfortunately, the
normal gear sets don't include either gear.  Not only have I never used a
legacy mill, but I know little about making gears or working metal.




Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 3:02 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Look

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I have never spoken with him, but if he is at the traveling Tool Shows, I 
have probably seen him.
I think those shows have really gone down hill in the last ten years.  The 
last few years I go to them just because the local club has a presence.





All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a 
philosopher.

Ambrose Bierce

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Hey on another note do you happen to know or have you ever met Rollie 
Johnson, contributing Editor to "Fine Woodworking"?
He travels and does a lot of teaching and training. He actually lives out 
about 45 minutes from me here in Minnesota.



Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 8:34 PM anthony  wrote:
I teach woodturning classes.  The one I did today is local.
I traveled around some and did demos and hands on classes at clubs or
symposia.  I use the past tense as the covid has made that difficult for the
last year.  I will probably start again as it gets better, but using Zoom
may have some effect on that.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Thanks for sharing that Anthony.
I find that very interesting and appreciate your attention
to detail.

You come across as a true craftsman.
I can also tell you are passionate about your turnings.
Are you teaching woodworking classes? Just curious and
you don't have to answer if you wish not too.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM anthony  wrote:
Here are some pictures of a cup chuck that I am using to make boxes like I
showed images of earlier.
It must be sized correctly to the piece being held, and the inside leading
edge has to be crisp and within a degree or two of 90.
If the chuck is correct, you can do most eliptical work in it.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Hey Anthony,

Any time you reference something like this chuck your talking about can you
download a pix or two?
Just be curious to see some of these items. Possibly others would be
interested too?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 11:22 AM anthony  wrote:
A cup chuck.  The important part of the cup chuck is shaped like the inside
of a coffee cup with the rim being very crisp and of a diameter just
slightly smaller than the major diameter of the sphere and friction holds
the sphere in place while you work it.  The sphere can be placed in the cup
chuck at any orientation to permit access to its entire surface.  To make
the box, all of the work on the sphere is done in the cup chuck except the
initial step of turning the stock from square to approximate sphere.
The internal box, that piece that comes out of the sphere, is turned mostly
in a regular four-jawed chuck with one step done in a jam chuck.

anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


them are pretty cool. What method are you using to turn the circles on the
completed Ball type turning?


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:51 PM anthony  wrote:
I attached an image of the barley twist and a series of photos of a style of
box I have been making lately.
One of the difficulties with the twist is that the travel may not 

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I teach woodturning classes.  The one I did today is local.
I traveled around some and did demos and hands on classes at clubs or 
symposia.  I use the past tense as the covid has made that difficult for the 
last year.  I will probably start again as it gets better, but using Zoom 
may have some effect on that.




Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Thanks for sharing that Anthony.
I find that very interesting and appreciate your attention
to detail.

You come across as a true craftsman.
I can also tell you are passionate about your turnings.
Are you teaching woodworking classes? Just curious and
you don't have to answer if you wish not too.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM anthony  wrote:
Here are some pictures of a cup chuck that I am using to make boxes like I
showed images of earlier.
It must be sized correctly to the piece being held, and the inside leading
edge has to be crisp and within a degree or two of 90.
If the chuck is correct, you can do most eliptical work in it.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


Hey Anthony,

Any time you reference something like this chuck your talking about can you
download a pix or two?
Just be curious to see some of these items. Possibly others would be
interested too?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 11:22 AM anthony  wrote:
A cup chuck.  The important part of the cup chuck is shaped like the inside
of a coffee cup with the rim being very crisp and of a diameter just
slightly smaller than the major diameter of the sphere and friction holds
the sphere in place while you work it.  The sphere can be placed in the cup
chuck at any orientation to permit access to its entire surface.  To make
the box, all of the work on the sphere is done in the cup chuck except the
initial step of turning the stock from square to approximate sphere.
The internal box, that piece that comes out of the sphere, is turned mostly
in a regular four-jawed chuck with one step done in a jam chuck.

anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


them are pretty cool. What method are you using to turn the circles on the
completed Ball type turning?


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:51 PM anthony  wrote:
I attached an image of the barley twist and a series of photos of a style of
box I have been making lately.
One of the difficulties with the twist is that the travel may not be
constant throughout its length.  I have only the two examples, and it is
difficult to be certain what is happening.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:42 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Sorry I did not see your reply to the bone question.

Do not boil your bone. a hot water bath will not hurt the bone, but boiling
will weaken the bone.

Hydrant peroxide a 2-3% will remove the oil and whiten up the bone, if left
to soak in it for a week or two.

here are some pix. of some of my turnings.
C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 01:19:55 AM EST, anthony
 wrote:


I bought the femur at

Atlantic Cora

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

A cup chuck.  The important part of the cup chuck is shaped like the inside 
of a coffee cup with the rim being very crisp and of a diameter just 
slightly smaller than the major diameter of the sphere and friction holds 
the sphere in place while you work it.  The sphere can be placed in the cup 
chuck at any orientation to permit access to its entire surface.  To make 
the box, all of the work on the sphere is done in the cup chuck except the 
initial step of turning the stock from square to approximate sphere.
The internal box, that piece that comes out of the sphere, is turned mostly 
in a regular four-jawed chuck with one step done in a jam chuck.


anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.


them are pretty cool. What method are you using to turn the circles on the 
completed Ball type turning?



Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell



On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:51 PM anthony  wrote:
I attached an image of the barley twist and a series of photos of a style of
box I have been making lately.
One of the difficulties with the twist is that the travel may not be
constant throughout its length.  I have only the two examples, and it is
difficult to be certain what is happening.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:42 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Sorry I did not see your reply to the bone question.

Do not boil your bone. a hot water bath will not hurt the bone, but boiling
will weaken the bone.

Hydrant peroxide a 2-3% will remove the oil and whiten up the bone, if left
to soak in it for a week or two.

here are some pix. of some of my turnings.
C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 01:19:55 AM EST, anthony
 wrote:


I bought the femur at

Atlantic Coral Enterprise, Inc.
5000 Crescent Technical Court
St. Augustine, FL 32086
Outside FL: 1-800-624-7964
Inside FL: 904-797-7478

I have never glued bone before.  I guess that you might need to boil it
first.  Most of the bone I have worked with has a fair amount of oil in it.
I have had some boiled bone, it seems leached of oil, but I have never
turned it.

I am primarily a turner.  I have turned lots of things, but lately been
making boxes for fun and balusters and similar things for money.

anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But
the results are very nice.
Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony
 wrote:


I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental M

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

When I called them parallel, I meant that the flats were part of the spiral, 
that they are part of the spiral.

The spiraled portion of the balusters are tapered.



Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 1:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for some new projects.

So your saying the spiral is meant to be parallel not tapered is that 
correct


Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of anthony

Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2021 8:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

I attached an image of the barley twist and a series of photos of a style of 
box I have been making lately.
One of the difficulties with the twist is that the travel may not be 
constant throughout its length.  I have only the two examples, and it is 
difficult to be certain what is happening.

anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer, and 
the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete, It is better to 
decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:42 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Sorry I did not see your reply to the bone question.

Do not boil your bone. a hot water bath will not hurt the bone, but boiling
will weaken the bone.

Hydrant peroxide a 2-3% will remove the oil and whiten up the bone, if left
to soak in it for a week or two.

here are some pix. of some of my turnings.
C.A.G.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 01:19:55 AM EST, anthony
 wrote:


I bought the femur at

Atlantic Coral Enterprise, Inc.
5000 Crescent Technical Court
St. Augustine, FL 32086
Outside FL: 1-800-624-7964
Inside FL: 904-797-7478

I have never glued bone before.  I guess that you might need to boil it
first.  Most of the bone I have worked with has a fair amount of oil in it.
I have had some boiled bone, it seems leached of oil, but I have never
turned it.

I am primarily a turner.  I have turned lots of things, but lately been
making boxes for fun and balusters and similar things for money.

anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But
the results are very nice.
Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony
 wrote:


I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can
turn, soon

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I am reproducing five balusters that have a double-start barley twist.  A 
normal double-start twist, I would usually make by hand.  These balusters 
have four flats that parallel as a transition between each bead and cove 
along the twist.  These make it very difficult to work by hand.


I have gained access to a legacy 1000 mill.  Unfortunately, the travel of 
the twist is 2.25 inches.  That means that I either need a 2.25 or 9 gear; 
the latter could be used with the .25 reduction gear.  Unfortunately, the 
normal gear sets don't include either.  Not only have I never used a legacy 
mill, but I know little about making gears or working metal.


Do you have a suggestion?
Perhaps my previous message only reached you rather than the group as a 
whole.


anthony

Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then 
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone 
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But 
the results are very nice.

Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony 
 wrote:



I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can
turn, soon.
The problem is What should I make?
I don't like pen's!
I have already made a number of magnify glass's and other kits type of
projects.

I have gone to a number of dollar stores and hardware and thrift stores,
looking for cheaply made things that can be re-worked. but so far no luck
finding anything new.
So I thought I would ask you all.  Dose anyone know of a nice projects, that
you like to make? Family heirloom type of stuff.  Perhaps a letter opener?
or ???

Any and all ideas are welcome.

Looking forward to talking to you all more.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.




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Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I bought the femur at

Atlantic Coral Enterprise, Inc.
5000 Crescent Technical Court
St. Augustine, FL 32086
Outside FL: 1-800-624-7964
Inside FL: 904-797-7478

I have never glued bone before.  I guess that you might need to boil it 
first.  Most of the bone I have worked with has a fair amount of oil in it. 
I have had some boiled bone, it seems leached of oil, but I have never 
turned it.


I am primarily a turner.  I have turned lots of things, but lately been 
making boxes for fun and balusters and similar things for money.


anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then 
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone 
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But 
the results are very nice.

Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony 
 wrote:



I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can
turn, soon.
The problem is What should I make?
I don't like pen's!
I have already made a number of magnify glass's and other kits type of
projects.

I have gone to a number of dollar stores and hardware and thrift stores,
looking for cheaply made things that can be re-worked. but so far no luck
finding anything new.
So I thought I would ask you all.  Dose anyone know of a nice projects, that
you like to make? Family heirloom type of stuff.  Perhaps a letter opener?
or ???

Any and all ideas are welcome.

Looking forward to talking to you all more.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.




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