date:20090426


Dennis M. Kowallek  wrote:

> I don't do anything special. I just use search and
> replace when needed.
> 
> I doubt if the programmers will ever do these things.
> Sourcing is hard
> enough for some people to grasp and adding an extra layer
> would probably
> cause much confusion. Just look at how they removed the
> multi-citations
> in clipboard feature ... too many users couldn't grasp
> the concept.

I understood the concept, but rarely (probably more accurately never) had any 
use for it.



  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Group Sheet Error - Calculated Date Terminology


Kay,

I'm using the same build as you, and on my one example entered since installing 
this build, it shows properly on Print Preview of an FGS as cal not ber (also a 
calculated birth).

Connie


Kay Fordham  wrote:

> Using  7.0.0.90
> Build Date of: 13 March 2009
> 
> When I use the calendar feature to calculate a date (in
> this case birth), it shows properly as "cal 3 April
> 1849" in the Family View; however, in the print preview
> and printed copy it shows up as "ber 3 April
> 1849." No problem with the others; i.e., bef, abt, aft.
> Can anyone else duplicate this anomaly?
> 
> Thanks, Kay Fordham 



  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Group Sheet Error - Calculated Date Terminology

2009-04-26 Thread Robert Carneal USA

I can.  I think that is intentional to alert the reader that the date 
is calculated, not actually seen and copied from a certificate of some kind.


Robert


At 2009-04-26  07:19 PM, you wrote:

Using  7.0.0.90
Build Date of: 13 March 2009

When I use the calendar feature to calculate a date (in this case 
birth), it shows properly as "cal 3 April 1849" in the Family View; 
however, in the print preview and printed copy it shows up as "ber 3 
April 1849." No problem with the others; i.e., bef, abt, aft. Can 
anyone else duplicate this anomaly?


Thanks, Kay Fordham




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Group Sheet Error - Calculated Date Terminology

2009-04-26 Thread Dawn Crowley

I don't use calculated, but tested it.  It shows up as it should in ver 
6.0.0.190. 


Kay Fordham wrote:

Using  7.0.0.90
Build Date of: 13 March 2009

When I use the calendar feature to calculate a date (in this case 
birth), it shows properly as "cal 3 April 1849" in the Family View; 
however, in the print preview and printed copy it shows up as "ber 3 
April 1849." No problem with the others; i.e., bef, abt, aft. Can 
anyone else duplicate this anomaly?


Thanks, Kay Fordham



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[LegacyUG] Family Group Sheet Error - Calculated Date Terminology

2009-04-26 Thread Kay Fordham


Using  7.0.0.90
Build Date of: 13 March 2009

When I use the calendar feature to calculate a date (in this case birth), it 
shows properly as "cal 3 April 1849" in the Family View; however, in the 
print preview and printed copy it shows up as "ber 3 April 1849." No problem 
with the others; i.e., bef, abt, aft. Can anyone else duplicate this 
anomaly?


Thanks, Kay Fordham 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?

2009-04-26 Thread Janet Lee

Hi Ron,

What a wonderful way to spend Easter!!!

Ok, I will only use the USB stick as you suggested and will back up to DVD's
and my computer.

Ha!  I didn't know I could make a .txt file!  Just happened to think the pdf
would work...I have not used Legacy nearly as much as I have wanted to, so
you can see I don't know all that it will do.  Will try that.

Yes, Legacy Charting works!

Thank you,
Janet




On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:05 AM, ronald ferguson  wrote:

>
> Hi Janet,
>
> Yup I'm back on line, having spent Easter in Spain.
>
> Last one first. No, Legacy cannot be used from a USB stick of any sort, it
> needs to be installed on your machine. I do not recommend using data from a
> USB directly, preferring only to use it for back-up and transfer of data
> from one machine to another. Others may have different opinions :-).
>
> You have puzzled me be creating PDF's of your notes, which you have
> presumably now attached as data files to the Events. I cannot see why you
> did not copy/save them as txt files and pasted them into your notes.
>
> It does seem that you are running the Delux version, try opening Legacy
> Charting, if this works OK then you are.
>
>
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> _
>
> *New Tutorial* Create Standards Compliant CSS Pedigree web pages
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> _
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:06:32 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?
> > From: jlee882...@gmail.com
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't know if you are around or not, but I finally think I have my files
> in Legacy 7. I have put all the .fdb and .zip family files into the "data"
> folder in Legacy 7. I still could not get the notes to come in, and I know I
> have unlocked the program and put in my serial number because it doesn't ask
> for it or give me a place to put it in when I look under "Help."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't have many notes, so I went to Legacy 6 and saved the notes for
> each person to a PDF file, then copied it into the appropriate place and
> saved it, so now I have my notes. I cannot tell that Legacy is not running
> right, seems ok to me. I don't have a lot of stuff in my files, just names
> and dates and places.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you know if any way I can prove things are right?
> >
> >
> >
> > I also have a SanDisk Cruzer U3 flash drive and plan to put everything
> there so I won't have this problem anymore. There was a discussion about
> loading Legacy onto this particularly flash drive yesterday, and was
> wondering can you or can't you load Legacy onto it and use it. That would
> really be nice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your help,
> >
> >
> >
> > Janet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > flas
> >
>  > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, ronald ferguson> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Janet,
> >
> > It's bed time here now, well, 2-15am.; I will be turning in after I send
> this! So I will try and give you the options.
> >
> >
> > You have a confusion between a Gedcom and .fdb file, nor have you said
> how you got a Gedcom into the Laptop - if it is not on the DVD then how was
> it done? If it was a Gedcom then this could well be how you lost the notes.
> >
> >
> > There are two main ways you can get the files onto your Laptop, either
> via a CD/DVD or USB stick. You say that the DVD only has zip files on it,
> but do don't the file names mean anything to you ie Filename.zip? You should
> be able to tell if they are your Legacy backup from the file name. If you
> have more than one then can you tell which is the latest? Did you have more
> than one family file?
> >
> >
> > One way of telling the latest is to put the DVD into The Laptop drive and
> right click on each file, select properties and look at the date. To see
> what is in it you could right click on it and Extract to a convenient folder
> (just creat one somewhere and delete it when you've finished)
> >
> >
> > If you have only used Legacy to put the files onto the DVD then they must
> be back up files. and you need to drag the latest into the Legacy Data
> Folder on your laptop and use File>File restore, as previously described to
> open it in Legacy.
> >
> >
> > If you still have Legacy running on your PC then as a last resort you
> could create a backup(s) of your family files, giving it a name which is
> clear, copy this .zip file to a CD/DVD/USB and drag that into the
> C:\Legacy\Data folder on your laptop.
> >
> >
> > I would not consider using a Gedcom.
> >
> > I hope that will get you going.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Ferguson
> >
> > _
> >
> > *New Tutoria

Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

2009-04-26 Thread CE WOOD

Oh boy!  Do I miss the multi-citations!  What a real pain now!  Now it takes 
more than twice as long and with many more mistakes.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
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  Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail


  On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:32:45 -0500, Alan Jones 
mailto:a...@ajsquared.us>>
  wrote:

  >Dennis, if you are like me and see the value in shared citations (or 
  >even shared events) do you do anything special to work around not having 
  >those features?

  I don't do anything special. I just use search and replace when needed.

  I doubt if the programmers will ever do these things. Sourcing is hard
  enough for some people to grasp and adding an extra layer would probably
  cause much confusion. Just look at how they removed the multi-citations
  in clipboard feature ... too many users couldn't grasp the concept.
   
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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:32:45 -0500, Alan Jones 
wrote:

>Dennis, if you are like me and see the value in shared citations (or 
>even shared events) do you do anything special to work around not having 
>those features?

I don't do anything special. I just use search and replace when needed.

I doubt if the programmers will ever do these things. Sourcing is hard
enough for some people to grasp and adding an extra layer would probably
cause much confusion. Just look at how they removed the multi-citations
in clipboard feature ... too many users couldn't grasp the concept.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail


Dennis,

thanks for helping to clarify this.  I knew that Legacy did not support 
shared events (wish it did) but thought it might at least support shared 
citations in version 7 as Legacy did devote so much time to the whole 
world of citation..


Dennis, if you are like me and see the value in shared citations (or 
even shared events) do you do anything special to work around not having 
those features?  Any tips or tricks would be appreciated.


thanks

Alan


Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:04:14 -0500, Alan Jones 
wrote:

  
However as i mentioned below I don't 
want to just copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail 
entry".  So I might have the same thing for a document that mentions the 
birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might source the 
birth and death date to that document, but I want one source entry to 
enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).



Just to clarify what Alan is asking for...

Currently, every time you cite a Master Source, Legacy creates a new
Source Detail record ... even when everything in the citation is
identical. Now, if you want to make a change to a citation that was used
12 times (let's say you originally cited p. 1104 and you want to change
it to p. 1105), you either must edit the Source Detail 12 times, or you
must use Search & Replace to make the change 12 times.

What Alan is asking for is what I call a "shared citation". In my
example above, the database would have each of the 12 facts pointing to
one and only one Source Detail record.

We have discussed "shared events" in the past on LUG. This is a similar
concept.

To answer Alan's question, the current structure of the Legacy database
does not support "shared citations" nor "shared events".
 
  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail


Leaon,

I had not thought of it that way but yo are correct I did not follow 
the Lumping/splitting email threads that close at the time but I do 
remember them.  You are also right that I want to do kinda a combination 
of the two depending on what is best for that situation.




Leon Chapman wrote:

Alan:

You are into the realm of sourcing as a:  1) lumper or 2) splitter.
A "lumper" uses one source over and over and has all of the 
information required in that one source (this sounds like what you 
want).  A splitter will created a new source for anything that is 
different.  The splitter has a lot more sources in their Master source 
list.  In reality, everyone probably uses a combination of both of 
these approaches to sourcing and cannot be truely classified as either 
a "Lumper" or "Splitter" but somewhere in between.


There are lots of information in the archieves on advantages / 
disadvantages to lumping / splitting sources.


For a book source, you will probably want to use the lumper approach 
by creating one master source for the Book, and then use the details 
for different page numbers where people appear in the book.  This 
approach creates only one master source that you can use over and over 
and your master source list is minimized. 

For on-line databases (ancestry.com ), you may 
want to use the splitter approach - create a completely new source for 
each major piece of information or family that you bring information 
into your database.  This will create lots of sources that has 
Ancestry.com at the beginning of the source title, so you will need to 
come up with a scheme to make them unique so you can find them in your 
master source list.  A source title that I use would look like:


Source title:  Ancestry.com - Ackley - ID: I00120
Author:  T. Jones, tom.jo...@somewhere.net 


Title:  Ancestry.com - Ackley - ID:  I00120 - Scrantons
Publication Facts:  place the URL here
Recorded Date:  Date placed on web

As you can see, I have lots of Master sources that start with 
Ancestry.com (hence, I am using a splitter approach here).


In Legacy, you have the choice of using whatever method you prefer or 
combination of methods.  The new Source Writer with all the templates 
is a great help in standarizing sourcing.


Good luck on sourcing -- the main thing in to source every peice of 
information that you insert into your database.  Several years later, 
you will want to revisit your source of information for your data and 
you or someone else need(s) sufficient details to find the information 
again.


Chap


On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Alan Jones > wrote:


JL,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I have
also looked at the source clipboard.  However as i mentioned below
I don't want to just copy  the source as it would create a new
"source detail entry".  So I might have the same thing for a
document that mentions the birth and death date all on one line of
a person.  I might source the birth and death date to that
document, but I want one source entry to enter, reference, modify
(like formatting etc).

Any other thoughts out there?

Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not one or
if it is it is not jumping out at me.

thanks again for the idea

Alan

JLB wrote:

I'm wondering if you're using the old or new version of
writing Sources.  In the Assigned Sources window for each
individual, there are some buttons along the lower left.  A
couple of those are about copy and paste of sources including
the source detail.  Now, I'm not sure how it works with the
Source Writer since I don't use it.  It might be the same,
maybe not.  And/or you can read my blog post at
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/2007/12/source-clipboard/  It's a bit
old and the window shown there isn't how it looks anymore but
it's at least half a clue.  It's the best I can do because my
first impulse was to send you some pictures.  Can't do it here.
-
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Alan Jones wrote:

I am trying to follow Legacy's process for Master Sources
and then Source Detail for info on the particular
person/event.  However in some cases the detail info is
such that I could use it for more than one event.  Is
there a way to cite the same source detail (not just
master source) so I do not have to retype the source
detail (making sure I got all my notes and copy correct)?
I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in
Legacy's Assigned Sources window but could not do it.  I
don't want to copy the source information as that creates
a

Re: [LegacyUG] Excluding Female Lines

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:51:27 -0400, Dennis M. Kowallek
 wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:14:30 -0400, "JMM Jr"  wrote:
>
>>The PAF Companion program has the capability not to show female lines in
>>descendant reports.  That is, the reports list daughters and their husbands,
>>but does not follow the female lines any further.  Is it possible to do this
>>in Legacy 7?  I haven't been able to figure out how just yet
>
>John:
>
>I've just made a change to the...

I apologize. I had intended to send this off-list.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Include Legacy Charting charts in Publishing Center

2009-04-26 Thread Alastair Lack

Richard,
Thanks for that idea. Slight snag is that requires a fair bit of
fiddle, creating the chart as a picture attached to an individual. I
had hoped I was overlooking something.
It may be easier to 'publish' the charts as pdfs, and then import them
using Adobe Acrobat, later. The snag is that one then loses the
correct page numbers.
I just seemed to remember some discussion in the past about importing
word docs and other such files.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Excluding Female Lines

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:14:30 -0400, "JMM Jr"  wrote:

>The PAF Companion program has the capability not to show female lines in
>descendant reports.  That is, the reports list daughters and their husbands,
>but does not follow the female lines any further.  Is it possible to do this
>in Legacy 7?  I haven't been able to figure out how just yet

John:

I've just made a change to the LTools deluxe "Tag Y-DNA Descendants"
feature that should accomplish what you want ... at least as far as
tagging the correct individuals is concerned. Starting from a male
ancestor, it tags all direct-line male descendants. The new option will
also tag daughters but go no further. Plus it will optionally tag
spouses. Once tagged, the individuals can be exported to another Legacy
database and you can run your report from there.

This change is in the 1.1 release which should be publicly available in
the next week or two. If you want I can add you to the LTools
Distribution List so you will receive notification when this occurs.

In the meantime you can download and try the basic version of LTools for
free from here:

http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/download.html

In order to unlock the deluxe features of LTools (like "Tag Y-DNA
Descendants") you will need to upgrade for $10.

http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/register.htm

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

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Re: [LegacyUG] People Count

2009-04-26 Thread Dennis Kowallek

So if we were talking about a family with father, mother, and child, the
number of descendants of the father would be 1?

And if that child were married and had 1 child, the number would be 2?

P.S. Please reply to the list if you want others to help.

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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:28:13 +, mety...@gmail.com wrote:

>Good Morning,
>Just blood descendants.
>
>On Apr 26, 2009 7:53am, "Dennis M. Kowallek"  wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:44:06 -0400, Rochelle Coslow-Robinson
>
>> mety...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >How do I pull a report telling me the
>> >number of descendants from a person within part of my tree?
>
>> Do you also want spouses? Or just blood descendants?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

2009-04-26 Thread JLB

Sorry I missed something there.  I got the impression on the second 
read-through that you're trying to use the same source detail but for a 
different source.  Now, having you read you again, I'm still not sure if 
I got that right. Now it sounds like you want the same source but you 
want to change the detail.  Well, you can do that, too. Sorry, I'm lost 
I guess on what you're asking.

-
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Alan Jones wrote:

JL,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I have also 
looked at the source clipboard.  However as i mentioned below I don't 
want to just copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail 
entry".  So I might have the same thing for a document that mentions the 
birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might source the 
birth and death date to that document, but I want one source entry to 
enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).


Any other thoughts out there?

Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not one or if it 
is it is not jumping out at me.


thanks again for the idea

Alan

JLB wrote:
I'm wondering if you're using the old or new version of writing 
Sources.  In the Assigned Sources window for each individual, there 
are some buttons along the lower left.  A couple of those are about 
copy and paste of sources including the source detail.  Now, I'm not 
sure how it works with the Source Writer since I don't use it.  It 
might be the same, maybe not.  And/or you can read my blog post at 
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/2007/12/source-clipboard/  It's a bit old and 
the window shown there isn't how it looks anymore but it's at least 
half a clue.  It's the best I can do because my first impulse was to 
send you some pictures.  Can't do it here.

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Alan Jones wrote:
I am trying to follow Legacy's process for Master Sources and then 
Source Detail for info on the particular person/event.  However in 
some cases the detail info is such that I could use it for more than 
one event.  Is there a way to cite the same source detail (not just 
master source) so I do not have to retype the source detail (making 
sure I got all my notes and copy correct)?
I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in Legacy's 
Assigned Sources window but could not do it.  I don't want to copy 
the source information as that creates a copy no a link to the original.


There are several advantages to this
1. Then references like footnotes etc all reference the same specific 
source [1] instead of [1], [2], [3].  2. If I edit the Source details 
(even cleaning up formatting etc) I do it once and it is fixed a 
couple of times.


It seems like Legacy would let you do this but I can't figure it 
out.  If this is not an option what do other people do?  Cite a 
master source multiple time and put all the details there or what?


thanks for the help and ideas.

Alan

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Re: [LegacyUG] Married Names in Web Pages

2009-04-26 Thread Kris

Thanks, Ron.  I don't have the married names as AKAs, so that's not it 
-- and explains why checking that box in the Formatting tab doesn't do 
it.  ;-)


I can't imagine where I got that idea from.  I'm just sure I saw it. 
This kind of stuff gets pretty frustrating.  Thanks for the help.  :-)


ronald ferguson wrote:

Kris,

As far as I can remember it has not been possible to include
married names in the Surname List. However, if, like me, you have
the married names as AKA's then these can be added - Formatting
tab.



Ron Ferguson



Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:09:11 -0500 From:
gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Married
Names in Web Pages

I thought my surname and name list pages on the website had
included the lady's married names. . . but now they don't.

Did I uncheck a box that I can't find now? Or did I imagine the
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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Relationships in name list

2009-04-26 Thread CE WOOD

If you mean the Index, you first have to Set Relationships on yourself.  Then, 
on the Index page, click on Options, Customize Columns.  Go to the first blanl 
Field Name space and click on the box with the 3 dots that is at the end of 
that Field Name line.  That brings up the list of fields from which you can 
choose.  Choose Relationship.  Close.

Now the Index will show Relationship also.  Remember though, it will show the 
closest relationship which is not the same as the closest DIRECT relationship, 
a complaint frequently voiced on LUG.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Fisher 
  To: m.j.fis...@btinternet.com ; 
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

  Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:32 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Relationships in name list

  Michael Fisher wrote:
  > Hi All
  >
  > Once I was able to show relationships to myself in the Name List but I 
  > have made a new family and can't remember or find out how I did it.
  >
  > Mike in Droitwich
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[LegacyUG] Re: Relationships in name list

2009-04-26 Thread Michael Fisher




Michael Fisher wrote:

Hi All

Once I was able to show relationships to myself in the Name List but I 
have made a new family and can't remember or find out how I did it.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:04:14 -0500, Alan Jones 
wrote:

>However as i mentioned below I don't 
>want to just copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail 
>entry".  So I might have the same thing for a document that mentions the 
>birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might source the 
>birth and death date to that document, but I want one source entry to 
>enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).

Just to clarify what Alan is asking for...

Currently, every time you cite a Master Source, Legacy creates a new
Source Detail record ... even when everything in the citation is
identical. Now, if you want to make a change to a citation that was used
12 times (let's say you originally cited p. 1104 and you want to change
it to p. 1105), you either must edit the Source Detail 12 times, or you
must use Search & Replace to make the change 12 times.

What Alan is asking for is what I call a "shared citation". In my
example above, the database would have each of the 12 facts pointing to
one and only one Source Detail record.

We have discussed "shared events" in the past on LUG. This is a similar
concept.

To answer Alan's question, the current structure of the Legacy database
does not support "shared citations" nor "shared events".

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

Connie,

Thanks for the email. I looked at the source clipboard. However as I
mentioned below I don't want to just copy the source as it would create
a new "source detail entry". So I might have the same thing for a
document that mentions the birth and death date all on one line of a
person. I might source the birth and death date to that document, but I
want one source entry to enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).

I was hoping for more of a "link" to the same source.

thanks for the detail response though. That is one of the great things
about this list!

Alan

Connie Sheets wrote:

Alan Jones wrote:

I am trying to follow Legalcy's process for Master
Sources and then Source Detail for info on the particular
person/event. However in some cases the detail info is such
that I could use it for more than one event. Is there a way
to cite the same source detail (not just master source) so I
do not have to retype the source detail (making sure I got
all my notes and copy correct)?
I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in

Legacy's Assigned Sources window but could not do it. I
don't want to copy the source information as that
creates a copy no a link to the original.

There are several advantages to this
1. Then references like footnotes etc all reference the
same specific source [1] instead of [1], [2], [3]. 2. If I
edit the Source details (even cleaning up formatting etc) I
do it once and it is fixed a couple of times.

It seems like Legacy would let you do this but I can't
figure it out. If this is not an option what do other
people do? Cite a master source multiple time and put all
the details there or what?

Alan,

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, yes, there is an easy way to do what
you are asking (you want to use the exact same master source and source detail
several times for several events and/or several people, right?)

Enter your source and detail as you want it for any event. Then pull up the Assigned Sources screen for that person and highlight the source you want to use again.

Look in the lower left of the Assigned Sources screen for the icon that looks like the
standard copy icon; hover over it and you should see "Copy Source to
Clipboard." Click the icon and agree to overwrite the existing source.

Now, enter the data for your next event, and look for the icons on the left
again: Hover over them for what they do, but briefly, to add the clipboard
source, including detail, to one event, it is the little blue icon that looks a
bit like a dash that you want to click. No retyping needed; just a couple of
clicks (one to load the source you want to reuse onto the clipboard, and one to
add it to an event).

The help file will have more info under Source Clipboard.

Hope this helps?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

Alan,

I'm afraid I don't understand what you are asking for if Source Clipboard 
doesn't do it?

Source Clipboard allows you do reuse the exact same Master Source and Detail 
over and over again.  You will have only one footnote in your reports as your 
original post requested.  It seems to me if you have a Death Certificate as the 
source for both the birth date and the death date, that is what you are asking 
for.

If you want to use the same Master Source, but with different detail each time 
you use the Master Source, Legacy will also do that.  In that case you will 
have two footnotes (as you should).  As an example, your master source is 
History of the Jones Family.  On p. 25 (detail), it gives the birthdate for 
John Jones, and on p. 26 (detail) it gives the death date.  

What am I missing?

Connie

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Alan Jones  wrote:

> From: Alan Jones 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 2:04 PM
> JL,
> 
> Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I
> have also looked at the source clipboard.  However as i
> mentioned below I don't want to just copy  the source as
> it would create a new "source detail entry".  So I
> might have the same thing for a document that mentions the
> birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might
> source the birth and death date to that document, but I want
> one source entry to enter, reference, modify (like
> formatting etc).
> 
> Any other thoughts out there?
> 
> Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not
> one or if it is it is not jumping out at me.
> 
> thanks again for the idea
> 
> Alan
> 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

2009-04-26 Thread Leon Chapman

Alan:

You are into the realm of sourcing as a:  1) lumper or 2) splitter.
A "lumper" uses one source over and over and has all of the information
required in that one source (this sounds like what you want).  A splitter
will created a new source for anything that is different.  The splitter has
a lot more sources in their Master source list.  In reality, everyone
probably uses a combination of both of these approaches to sourcing and
cannot be truely classified as either a "Lumper" or "Splitter" but somewhere
in between.

There are lots of information in the archieves on advantages / disadvantages
to lumping / splitting sources.

For a book source, you will probably want to use the lumper approach by
creating one master source for the Book, and then use the details for
different page numbers where people appear in the book.  This approach
creates only one master source that you can use over and over and your
master source list is minimized.

For on-line databases (ancestry.com), you may want to use the splitter
approach - create a completely new source for each major piece of
information or family that you bring information into your database.  This
will create lots of sources that has Ancestry.com at the beginning of the
source title, so you will need to come up with a scheme to make them unique
so you can find them in your master source list.  A source title that I use
would look like:

Source title:  Ancestry.com - Ackley - ID: I00120
Author:  T. Jones, tom.jo...@somewhere.net
Title:  Ancestry.com - Ackley - ID:  I00120 - Scrantons
Publication Facts:  place the URL here
Recorded Date:  Date placed on web

As you can see, I have lots of Master sources that start with Ancestry.com
(hence, I am using a splitter approach here).

In Legacy, you have the choice of using whatever method you prefer or
combination of methods.  The new Source Writer with all the templates is a
great help in standarizing sourcing.

Good luck on sourcing -- the main thing in to source every peice of
information that you insert into your database.  Several years later, you
will want to revisit your source of information for your data and you or
someone else need(s) sufficient details to find the information again.

Chap

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:

> JL,
>
> Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I have also looked
> at the source clipboard.  However as i mentioned below I don't want to just
> copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail entry".  So I might
> have the same thing for a document that mentions the birth and death date
> all on one line of a person.  I might source the birth and death date to
> that document, but I want one source entry to enter, reference, modify (like
> formatting etc).
>
> Any other thoughts out there?
>
> Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not one or if it is
> it is not jumping out at me.
>
> thanks again for the idea
>
> Alan
>
> JLB wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if you're using the old or new version of writing Sources.
>>  In the Assigned Sources window for each individual, there are some buttons
>> along the lower left.  A couple of those are about copy and paste of sources
>> including the source detail.  Now, I'm not sure how it works with the Source
>> Writer since I don't use it.  It might be the same, maybe not.  And/or you
>> can read my blog post at
>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/2007/12/source-clipboard/  It's a bit old and the
>> window shown there isn't how it looks anymore but it's at least half a clue.
>>  It's the best I can do because my first impulse was to send you some
>> pictures.  Can't do it here.
>> -
>> JL
>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog
>>
>> Alan Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to follow Legacy's process for Master Sources and then Source
>>> Detail for info on the particular person/event.  However in some cases the
>>> detail info is such that I could use it for more than one event.  Is there a
>>> way to cite the same source detail (not just master source) so I do not have
>>> to retype the source detail (making sure I got all my notes and copy
>>> correct)?
>>> I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in Legacy's Assigned
>>> Sources window but could not do it.  I don't want to copy the source
>>> information as that creates a copy no a link to the original.
>>>
>>> There are several advantages to this
>>> 1. Then references like footnotes etc all reference the same specific
>>> source [1] instead of [1], [2], [3].  2. If I edit the Source details (even
>>> cleaning up formatting etc) I do it once and it is fixed a couple of times.
>>>
>>> It seems like Legacy would let you do this but I can't figure it out.  If
>>> this is not an option what do other people do?  Cite a master source
>>> multiple time and put all the details there or what?
>>>
>>> thanks for the help and ideas.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Using Legacy 7 current build.
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [LegacyUG] Excluding Female Lines

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:14:30 -0400, "JMM Jr"  wrote:

>The PAF Companion program has the capability not to show female lines in
>descendant reports.  That is, the reports list daughters and their husbands,
>but does not follow the female lines any further.  Is it possible to do this
>in Legacy 7?  I haven't been able to figure out how just yet
>

I can't think of a foolproof method.

One way that might come close is:

1) Tag an entire descendant line.
2) Untag anyone whose surname does not match that of the top-most
   male.
3) Export the remaining tagged individual to a new database, along
   with their spouses.
4) Produce report from the new database.

Things that could throw a monkey wrench into this approach are:

1) Surname changes.
2) Very common surnames like SMITH.

I'm sure there might be other difficulties that I am overlooking.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an estimated date


Pam,

I'm not LDS so am clueless as to the detail you need for temple work, but yes, 
what I would do is add a source note that says "marriage date is estimated from 
birth date of oldest child."  

Connie 

Pam O'Dell  wrote:

 
> 
> I am estimating a marriage date based on the birth year of
> the oldest child.  I need to do this to submit the couple
> for temple work.  I have sourced the date to me.  Should I
> just add a note as to how and why I did that or should I do
> it another way?
> 

> > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:56:41 -0700
> > From: clshee...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an estimated date
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > 
> > 
> > Pam O'Dell  wrote:
> > 
> > > Does anyone know how to properly source and
> estimated date?
> > 
> > 
> > What sources are you using to estimate the date? You
> would cite those sources, just as you cite a source (or
> several sources) for a specific date. 
> > 
> > For example, if you've found your person on the
> 1850 census, where he is listed as age 67, and you can't
> find him in 1860, then you might estimate his death date as
> 1850-1860. The sources would be the 1850 and 1860 census
> with a narrative explanation as to why you think he died
> during this time frame and what else you've done to try
> to pin down a more specific date. (Not finding him on the
> census alone would not be enough to be certain he died
> during that time frame).
> > 
> > If this doesn't answer your question, please ask
> again with more detail.
> > 
> > Connie
> > 




  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

Alan Jones  wrote:

> I am trying to follow Legalcy's process for Master
> Sources and then Source Detail for info on the particular
> person/event.  However in some cases the detail info is such
> that I could use it for more than one event.  Is there a way
> to cite the same source detail (not just master source) so I
> do not have to retype the source detail (making sure I got
> all my notes and copy correct)? 
> I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in
> Legacy's Assigned Sources window but could not do it.  I
> don't want to copy the source information as that
> creates a copy no a link to the original.
> 
> There are several advantages to this
> 1. Then references like footnotes etc all reference the
> same specific source [1] instead of [1], [2], [3].  2. If I
> edit the Source details (even cleaning up formatting etc) I
> do it once and it is fixed a couple of times.
> 
> It seems like Legacy would let you do this but I can't
> figure it out.  If this is not an option what do other
> people do?  Cite a master source multiple time and put all
> the details there or what?
> 

Alan,

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, yes, there is an easy way to do what 
you are asking (you want to use the exact same master source and source detail 
several times for several events and/or several people, right?)

Enter your source and detail as you want it for any event.  Then pull up the 
Assigned Sources screen for that person and highlight the source you want to 
use again.  

Look in the lower left of the Assigned Sources screen for the icon that looks 
like the standard copy icon; hover over it and you should see "Copy Source to 
Clipboard."  Click the icon and agree to overwrite the existing source.

Now, enter the data for your next event, and look for the icons on the left 
again:  Hover over them for what they do, but briefly, to add the clipboard 
source, including detail, to one event, it is the little blue icon that looks a 
bit like a dash that you want to click.  No retyping needed; just a couple of 
clicks (one to load the source you want to reuse onto the clipboard, and one to 
add it to an event).

The help file will have more info under Source Clipboard.

Hope this helps?

Connie

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:04:14 -0500, Alan Jones 
wrote:

>Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I have also 
>looked at the source clipboard.  However as i mentioned below I don't 
>want to just copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail 
>entry".  So I might have the same thing for a document that mentions the 
>birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might source the 
>birth and death date to that document, but I want one source entry to 
>enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).
>
>Any other thoughts out there?
>
>Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not one or if it 
>is it is not jumping out at me.

This is not available in Legacy, but has been discussed in the distant
past.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Reusing Source Detail


JL,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I am using the Source Writer, I have also 
looked at the source clipboard.  However as i mentioned below I don't 
want to just copy  the source as it would create a new "source detail 
entry".  So I might have the same thing for a document that mentions the 
birth and death date all on one line of a person.  I might source the 
birth and death date to that document, but I want one source entry to 
enter, reference, modify (like formatting etc).


Any other thoughts out there?

Legacy has so many other options i am surprised this is not one or if it 
is it is not jumping out at me.


thanks again for the idea

Alan

JLB wrote:
I'm wondering if you're using the old or new version of writing 
Sources.  In the Assigned Sources window for each individual, there 
are some buttons along the lower left.  A couple of those are about 
copy and paste of sources including the source detail.  Now, I'm not 
sure how it works with the Source Writer since I don't use it.  It 
might be the same, maybe not.  And/or you can read my blog post at 
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/2007/12/source-clipboard/  It's a bit old and 
the window shown there isn't how it looks anymore but it's at least 
half a clue.  It's the best I can do because my first impulse was to 
send you some pictures.  Can't do it here.

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Alan Jones wrote:
I am trying to follow Legacy's process for Master Sources and then 
Source Detail for info on the particular person/event.  However in 
some cases the detail info is such that I could use it for more than 
one event.  Is there a way to cite the same source detail (not just 
master source) so I do not have to retype the source detail (making 
sure I got all my notes and copy correct)?
I kept trying to figure out out to do this in the in Legacy's 
Assigned Sources window but could not do it.  I don't want to copy 
the source information as that creates a copy no a link to the original.


There are several advantages to this
1. Then references like footnotes etc all reference the same specific 
source [1] instead of [1], [2], [3].  2. If I edit the Source details 
(even cleaning up formatting etc) I do it once and it is fixed a 
couple of times.


It seems like Legacy would let you do this but I can't figure it 
out.  If this is not an option what do other people do?  Cite a 
master source multiple time and put all the details there or what?


thanks for the help and ideas.

Alan

Using Legacy 7 current build.





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[LegacyUG] Excluding Female Lines

2009-04-26 Thread JMM Jr

The PAF Companion program has the capability not to show female lines in
descendant reports.  That is, the reports list daughters and their husbands,
but does not follow the female lines any further.  Is it possible to do this
in Legacy 7?  I haven't been able to figure out how just yet

Thanks!

John





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