[LegacyUG] About dates
My sincere thanks to all those who responded to my question. I now have new vigor and drive to go in and fix all of this. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
What do you do about sourcing info-- let's say you have a source for the location but not for the date. How do you indicate it's YOUR guesstimate and that the source is silent on the matter (since Legacy groups date location together as far as sources go for births, deaths, etc)? From: Mitch Mackrory [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, once I have a child (any child) in a family, I assume it is the eldest child and that the parents were likely married a year prior to this. Let's say the child was born in 1856. I set the date for the marriage as BEF 1855. I now have some information to do further work on. I would record this with a Surety Level of 1 (marginal evidence). Let's assume that this helps me find the family and I now figure out that there were two older children born in 1852 and 1855. I would now change the marriage date to BEF 1851 and I may change my Surety Level to 2 (probable conclusion) if I am happy this is the whole family. If this helps me narrow down when to look for the marriage record, this is useful. Let's say I now find the index record of the marriage record. I'll use UK terminology since that is what I work on. I find an index record dated in the second quarter of 1850 and it looks good. I'll record this index info in the marriage and likely change my marriage date to Jun Q 1850; possibly even updating my Surety Level to 3 (Almost Certain Conclusion). When I get a copy of the certificate, let's say there are witnesses that confirm this is the right marriage. At that stage my marriage date changes to 14 Apr 1850 and my Surety Level might even go to 4 (Convincing Evidence). If I came across other evidence I may change my date to AFT or ABT, but I always try to estimate a reasonable date as soon as I can and then classify that assessment using the Surety Level system in Legacy. Note that if my marriage date is BEF 1851 as an example, I will likely start searching the marriage records from 1853 and work backwards for 20 plus years. Also, once I have the marriage date fixed I move on to census records (for example) to confirm that the decisions I have made are correct. I hope that helps, Mitch Mackrory Colorado, USA On 8/12/07, Valeris Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Pat, Good point and I should have included that as well. Here is a real example... I have one Master Source as follows: Source List Name: Estimated Dates Author: Mitch Mackrory Publication Facts: Not Published When I use the single Master Source, I cite it and record as follows: Details: Marriage Date 1870 estimated based on the birth date of his son, Herbert Stephen Peacock (15 Dec 1872) Surety Level: 0 Recorded Date: 27 Oct 2005: Details: Marriage date 1859 estimated based on youngest child's birth date (William Peacock 1860). Surety Level: 1 (I now believe I have the whole family) Recorded Date: 7 May 2006 I am still busy with this example. Note that I have two source details (citations) for this one marriage date. The later one supersedes the earlier one. I could have removed the first one, but I tend to keep data until I reach a final conclusion. Even then I am loath to erase data that is a history of the research I have undertaken and the conclusions I reached along the way. All my detailed notes are kept in a source detail or citation of the single master source. Does that make more sense now? Cheers, Mitch On 8/14/07, Pat H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you do about sourcing info-- let's say you have a source for the location but not for the date. How do you indicate it's YOUR guesstimate and that the source is silent on the matter (since Legacy groups date location together as far as sources go for births, deaths, etc)? From: Mitch Mackrory [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, once I have a child (any child) in a family, I assume it is the eldest child and that the parents were likely married a year prior to this. Let's say the child was born in 1856. I set the date for the marriage as BEF 1855. I now have some information to do further work on. I would record this with a Surety Level of 1 (marginal evidence). Let's assume that this helps me find the family and I now figure out that there were two older children born in 1852 and 1855. I would now change the marriage date to BEF 1851 and I may change my Surety Level to 2 (probable conclusion) if I am happy this is the whole family. If this helps me narrow down when to look for the marriage record, this is useful. Let's say I now find the index record of the marriage record. I'll use UK terminology since that is what I work on. I find an index record dated in the second quarter of 1850 and it looks good. I'll record this index info in the marriage and likely change my marriage date to Jun Q 1850; possibly even updating my Surety Level to 3 (Almost Certain Conclusion). When I get a copy of the certificate, let's say there are witnesses that confirm this is the right marriage. At that stage my marriage date changes to 14 Apr 1850 and my Surety Level might even go to 4 (Convincing Evidence). If I came across other evidence I may change my date to AFT or ABT, but I always try to estimate a reasonable date as soon as I can and then classify that assessment using the Surety Level system in Legacy. Note that if my marriage date is BEF 1851 as an example, I will likely start searching the marriage records from 1853 and work backwards for 20 plus years. Also, once I have the marriage date fixed I move on to census records (for example) to confirm that the decisions I have made are correct. I hope that helps, Mitch Mackrory Colorado, USA On 8/12/07, Valeris Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Example of sources for Birth Date/location I use Master Sources with estimate wording such as: MASTER SOURCE: SOURCE LIST NAME Births - Estimate - Marriage Courthouse Record TYPE Estimate/Assumption TITLE Calculation=subtract age at marriage from date of marriage I would use this one (above) for my guess as to the birth date - in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: estimated year. Then I would have a second Master Source for the Courthouse Marriage Record, where in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: city/county/state Example of sources for name: Many times I have a source (1) for a person's name that shows first, middle initial and last name, with another source (2) having the full name. For source 1, in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: first, middle initial, last. For source 2, in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: full name. - Original Message - From: Pat H [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates What do you do about sourcing info-- let's say you have a source for the location but not for the date. How do you indicate it's YOUR guesstimate and that the source is silent on the matter (since Legacy groups date location together as far as sources go for births, deaths, etc)? From: Mitch Mackrory [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, once I have a child (any child) in a family, I assume it is the eldest child and that the parents were likely married a year prior to this. Let's say the child was born in 1856. I set the date for the marriage as BEF 1855. I now have some information to do further work on. I would record this with a Surety Level of 1 (marginal evidence). Let's assume that this helps me find the family and I now figure out that there were two older children born in 1852 and 1855. I would now change the marriage date to BEF 1851 and I may change my Surety Level to 2 (probable conclusion) if I am happy this is the whole family. If this helps me narrow down when to look for the marriage record, this is useful. Let's say I now find the index record of the marriage record. I'll use UK terminology since that is what I work on. I find an index record dated in the second quarter of 1850 and it looks good. I'll record this index info in the marriage and likely change my marriage date to Jun Q 1850; possibly even updating my Surety Level to 3 (Almost Certain Conclusion). When I get a copy of the certificate, let's say there are witnesses that confirm this is the right marriage. At that stage my marriage date changes to 14 Apr 1850 and my Surety Level might even go to 4 (Convincing Evidence). If I came across other evidence I may change my date to AFT or ABT, but I always try to estimate a reasonable date as soon as I can and then classify that assessment using the Surety Level system in Legacy. Note that if my marriage date is BEF 1851 as an example, I will likely start searching the marriage records from 1853 and work backwards for 20 plus years. Also, once I have the marriage date fixed I move on to census records (for example) to confirm that the decisions I have made are correct. I hope that helps, Mitch Mackrory Colorado, USA On 8/12/07, Valeris Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Thanks Sharon, I believe what you are doing is calculating ages and dates and I do that too. What I was covering is how I go about a wilder guess based on very little information and gradually improve my estimate and surety level as my guesses become more educated. On 8/14/07, Sharon Perdue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example of sources for Birth Date/location I use Master Sources with estimate wording such as: MASTER SOURCE: SOURCE LIST NAME Births - Estimate - Marriage Courthouse Record TYPE Estimate/Assumption TITLE Calculation=subtract age at marriage from date of marriage I would use this one (above) for my guess as to the birth date - in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: estimated year. Then I would have a second Master Source for the Courthouse Marriage Record, where in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: city/county/state Example of sources for name: Many times I have a source (1) for a person's name that shows first, middle initial and last name, with another source (2) having the full name. For source 1, in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: first, middle initial, last. For source 2, in the Source Detail/Detail Information I would put: full name. - Original Message - From: Pat H [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates What do you do about sourcing info-- let's say you have a source for the location but not for the date. How do you indicate it's YOUR guesstimate and that the source is silent on the matter (since Legacy groups date location together as far as sources go for births, deaths, etc)? From: Mitch Mackrory [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, once I have a child (any child) in a family, I assume it is the eldest child and that the parents were likely married a year prior to this. Let's say the child was born in 1856. I set the date for the marriage as BEF 1855. I now have some information to do further work on. I would record this with a Surety Level of 1 (marginal evidence). Let's assume that this helps me find the family and I now figure out that there were two older children born in 1852 and 1855. I would now change the marriage date to BEF 1851 and I may change my Surety Level to 2 (probable conclusion) if I am happy this is the whole family. If this helps me narrow down when to look for the marriage record, this is useful. Let's say I now find the index record of the marriage record. I'll use UK terminology since that is what I work on. I find an index record dated in the second quarter of 1850 and it looks good. I'll record this index info in the marriage and likely change my marriage date to Jun Q 1850; possibly even updating my Surety Level to 3 (Almost Certain Conclusion). When I get a copy of the certificate, let's say there are witnesses that confirm this is the right marriage. At that stage my marriage date changes to 14 Apr 1850 and my Surety Level might even go to 4 (Convincing Evidence). If I came across other evidence I may change my date to AFT or ABT, but I always try to estimate a reasonable date as soon as I can and then classify that assessment using the Surety Level system in Legacy. Note that if my marriage date is BEF 1851 as an example, I will likely start searching the marriage records from 1853 and work backwards for 20 plus years. Also, once I have the marriage date fixed I move on to census records (for example) to confirm that the decisions I have made are correct. I hope that helps, Mitch Mackrory Colorado, USA On 8/12/07, Valeris Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives
RE: [LegacyUG] About dates
Pat: I always put in the Source Detail section exactly what the source said. This is particularly helpful when you have conflicting data from two or more different sources and also clearly shows cases where one source provides, say, a date while another provides a location. (Provided, of course, that the reader looks at the source notes.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat H Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates What do you do about sourcing info-- let's say you have a source for the location but not for the date. How do you indicate it's YOUR guesstimate and that the source is silent on the matter (since Legacy groups date location together as far as sources go for births, deaths, etc)? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] About dates
Oh dear no. It was nothing to do with children's dates. I have obviously confused everyone. If I have a John CULLODEN in a 1798 directory this is going to tell me that he was at a particular place at a certain time but this will not appear in my index so that I can not relate him to any other John CULLODENs BUT I do know that he was born before 1798 and that he died after 1798. [Yes I know directories are not a primary source but it is better than nothing ]. This will tell me that he could not be the other John CULLODEN whom I have dying in 1777 ? How should I record this date of 1798 to appear in the index ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Carneal USA Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 3:26 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates We do understand. Try this: Hover your mouse over the kids, and right click. Select Children's Settings. You order the kids by highlighting them, and using the Order buttons (on the right side) to move them up or down. This works fine. If you ever add dates to just a few of them later, and then try to get Legacy to do the ordering by birthdate for you, it will get out of order. It orders by the birthdate, and puts those without a birthdate first. So you will need to be a little careful here. Off topic. You are in Sydney? Sunny? Isn't it cold? Robert Valeris Garton wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Valeris Garton wrote I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. I would just use Before ... and After as the dates of vital events using the earliest and latest known. So if John Doe's eldest child was born in 1850 you could enter his birthdate as Before 1850, or even quite safely (in all probability!) as Before 1835. If the last record you have of John Doe is an entry in a Census in 1871, you can record his Death date as After 1870. -- Jenny M Benson Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] About dates
If you put a birth date of before 1798, you will see that in your name list. This will differentiate him from others. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valeris Garton Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:20 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] About dates Oh dear no. It was nothing to do with children's dates. I have obviously confused everyone. If I have a John CULLODEN in a 1798 directory this is going to tell me that he was at a particular place at a certain time but this will not appear in my index so that I can not relate him to any other John CULLODENs BUT I do know that he was born before 1798 and that he died after 1798. [Yes I know directories are not a primary source but it is better than nothing ]. This will tell me that he could not be the other John CULLODEN whom I have dying in 1777 ? How should I record this date of 1798 to appear in the index ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Carneal USA Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 3:26 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates We do understand. Try this: Hover your mouse over the kids, and right click. Select Children's Settings. You order the kids by highlighting them, and using the Order buttons (on the right side) to move them up or down. This works fine. If you ever add dates to just a few of them later, and then try to get Legacy to do the ordering by birthdate for you, it will get out of order. It orders by the birthdate, and puts those without a birthdate first. So you will need to be a little careful here. Off topic. You are in Sydney? Sunny? Isn't it cold? Robert Valeris Garton wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
I went through my data, and put in Estimated birthdates for everyone So the format, for instance, would be Birth: Est 1822 This is different from my Calculated birthdates, and my About dates. (Calculated means I have their age at some point in time... About generally means that someone else or some document gave me an about date.) I estimate the dates by starting from someone with a known date who is a close relative. The rules I go by, which I think are at least close to the recommended genealogy recommendations for estimating dates I figure a husband would be born about 2 years before his wife I figure a man got married at about age 25, a woman at about age 21 or 22 I figure the first child comes around when the woman is about age 23, the man about age 25 or 26 I space children about 2 years apart. If I have more than one date information to estimate from, I use these rules as a guide, to work out what seems to fit the best from what I have. Of course, very few families fit this... but it gives a general start. Because the dates say estimated, I know that it is my best guess, so I give kind of a +/- 20 years when doing research but it helps keep people straight! There are times that I put in BEF or AFT dates too - but I think I use them more for other types of dates I use them a lot for Death dates. (if a woman shows up in a census as a widow, then I put BEF census year on her husbands death date...) Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Hi Valeris, I agree with Jenny as this is how I enter an unknown birth, death, or burial date. To help explain how I came up with this approximate date I would attact the source that I used to help comfirm the date. As an example the Census that Jenny referred to or the death notice of a brother or sister, etc. Leo From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] About dates Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:19:30 +0100 Valeris Garton wrote I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. I would just use Before ... and After as the dates of vital events using the earliest and latest known. So if John Doe's eldest child was born in 1850 you could enter his birthdate as Before 1850, or even quite safely (in all probability!) as Before 1835. If the last record you have of John Doe is an entry in a Census in 1871, you can record his Death date as After 1870. -- Jenny M Benson Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Valerie, What I do is use whatever information I have to narrow down dates. For example, once I have a child (any child) in a family, I assume it is the eldest child and that the parents were likely married a year prior to this. Let's say the child was born in 1856. I set the date for the marriage as BEF 1855. I now have some information to do further work on. I would record this with a Surety Level of 1 (marginal evidence). Let's assume that this helps me find the family and I now figure out that there were two older children born in 1852 and 1855. I would now change the marriage date to BEF 1851 and I may change my Surety Level to 2 (probable conclusion) if I am happy this is the whole family. If this helps me narrow down when to look for the marriage record, this is useful. Let's say I now find the index record of the marriage record. I'll use UK terminology since that is what I work on. I find an index record dated in the second quarter of 1850 and it looks good. I'll record this index info in the marriage and likely change my marriage date to Jun Q 1850; possibly even updating my Surety Level to 3 (Almost Certain Conclusion). When I get a copy of the certificate, let's say there are witnesses that confirm this is the right marriage. At that stage my marriage date changes to 14 Apr 1850 and my Surety Level might even go to 4 (Convincing Evidence). If I came across other evidence I may change my date to AFT or ABT, but I always try to estimate a reasonable date as soon as I can and then classify that assessment using the Surety Level system in Legacy. Note that if my marriage date is BEF 1851 as an example, I will likely start searching the marriage records from 1853 and work backwards for 20 plus years. Also, once I have the marriage date fixed I move on to census records (for example) to confirm that the decisions I have made are correct. I hope that helps, Mitch Mackrory Colorado, USA On 8/12/07, Valeris Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
Valerie, I do the same as Heather. I use estimated dates, and this helps me distinguish everyone, plus it helps people who are searching my tree in WorldConnect online so they can immediately discount a match if the estimated date is 50 or 100 years off of who they are looking for. (It also helps to put in a country if you know nothing else about a location, to help eliminate people for others' use.) My estimated dates tend to be rounded to the nearest 0 or 5 that makes sense. Susan On 8/13/07, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through my data, and put in Estimated birthdates for everyone So the format, for instance, would be Birth: Est 1822 This is different from my Calculated birthdates, and my About dates. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] About dates
I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow Wexford - please ??? Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] About dates
We do understand. Try this: Hover your mouse over the kids, and right click. Select Children's Settings. You order the kids by highlighting them, and using the Order buttons (on the right side) to move them up or down. This works fine. If you ever add dates to just a few of them later, and then try to get Legacy to do the ordering by birthdate for you, it will get out of order. It orders by the birthdate, and puts those without a birthdate first. So you will need to be a little careful here. Off topic. You are in Sydney? Sunny? Isn't it cold? Robert Valeris Garton wrote: I have many people in my database that I do not know when they were born nor when they died but have an idea as to when they were around e.g. in a directory, witness to a marriage or last child born etc. How does everyone handle this problem. If I look at the index I could have 7 John CULLODENS so it is helpful to know that he was for example born before birth of first child and/or that he died after birth of a child. I tried putting all the different events of John CULLODDEN as events in a family name but that did not work because when it was printed all these events belonged to the same person so poor John CULLODEN died 5 times etc. I hope some one an understand what I am trying to say. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
