[LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread John Blair
Sara,  I also have for years put my census notes under general notes!  I
have never used merge (Family Tree Maker) and have just recently purchased
Legacy.  I don't mind at all doing this, as it helps me write very clearly
and put down notes, occupation, etc.  John 


Amen, Janis!  The important thing is to know where that data came from
so that others can find it or you can find it again.  At the risk of
having others shout, "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" I confess with fear and
trembling that I put my census transcriptions in the general notes
section and that I do not use census events.  I am not recommending
this method, but I had a very large database when I switched to Legacy
from Family Tree Maker.  My transcriptions were in the equivalent of
general notes, and FTM did not have census events.

Some methods are better than others; but if you get the data in the
program and show where it came from accurately, you will be miles
ahead of many.

Sara


On 10/12/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is no
> right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
> research and your research skills.
>
> The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you source
> properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
> old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that
I
> have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing
habits,
> the better off you will be!
>
> Janis



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[LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Richard Hallford
Im a little confused. Im sure you guys all got this sorted out. But I just
started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now have put in
Census details. Before I go any further though, I think I may have done it
wrong, as its taking so long. The think is, Ive been putting them in via the
events. Should I be making Census information a Master source list. I
thought I had this worked out, but now I'm getting confused. Im getting
mixed up as to which one I should be using.
Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each individual in
the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of all the people in
a Census, and then somehow add a single event (the appropriate Census). I
find the help confusing.
I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.
Tks, Richard.




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[LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread John Blair
I didn't lose any notes going from FTM to Legacy. John 


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When you switched from FTM to Legacy did you lose all your "notes" you had 
recorded and obits?  Thanks, Marilea



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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list


> Amen, Janis!  The important thing is to know where that data came from
> so that others can find it or you can find it again.  At the risk of
> having others shout, "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" I confess with fear and
> trembling that I put my census transcriptions in the general notes
> section and that I do not use census events.  I am not recommending
> this method, but I had a very large database when I switched to Legacy
> from Family Tree Maker.  My transcriptions were in the equivalent of
> general notes, and FTM did not have census events.
>
> Some methods are better than others; but if you get the data in the
> program and show where it came from accurately, you will be miles
> ahead of many.
>
> Sara
>
>
> On 10/12/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is 
>> > no
>> right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
>> research and your research skills.
>>
>> The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you 
>> source
>> properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
>> old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that

>> I
>> have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing 
>> habits,
>> the better off you will be!
>>
>> Janis
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Leon Chapman
Richard:
I create a Census event, but keep it fairly simple.
Within the Census event, I use a Master Source for the Census record
with all of the details.
A couple examples of events and the associated sources is shown below:

EVENTS:
 1. He appeared on the census on Jul 1, 1910 in Pleasant Valley Co, KS,
USA. (4)
 2.  He appeared on the census on Feb 27, 1920 in Bolton, Cowley Co, KS,
USA. (5) Roll: T625_528, Page: 10B, ED: 50, Image: 0032.

You might notice in event 2 above, the details of Roll:,... has been
included.  This is redundant with the master source information and is
probably not necessary.

MASTER SOURCES:
4. US Federal Census - 1910 - Pleasant Valley, Cowley Co, Kansas, USA (Roll:
 T624_436; Pg: 2B. Enumeration District: 59; Image: 15.  Wells H. Chapman,
 Age 42, b. OH;  Lida M. Chapman, Age 43, b. IA;  Roy E. Chapman, Age 19,
 b. IA; Leora G. Chapman, Age 16, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Apr 20, 1910.
5. US Federal Census - 1920 - Bolton, Cowley Co, KS, USA (Year: 1920;Census
 Place: Bolton, Cowley, Kansas; Roll: T625_528; Page: 10B; Enumeration
 District: 50; Image: 32.  Wells H. Chapman, age 53, b. OH; Lyda M.
 Chapman, age 42, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Feb 27, 1920.

Anyway, this is how I do the Census & Sources - I am sure there are
lots of other ways, but for me, this provides a nice clean report
format output.

Chap



On 10/12/07, Richard Hallford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im a little confused. Im sure you guys all got this sorted out. But I just 
> started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now have put in Census 
> details. Before I go any further though, I think I may have done it wrong, as 
> its taking so long. The think is, Ive been putting them in via the events. 
> Should I be making Census information a Master source list. I thought I had 
> this worked out, but now I'm getting confused. Im getting mixed up as to 
> which one I should be using.
> Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each individual in 
> the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of all the people in a 
> Census, and then somehow add a single event (the appropriate Census). I find 
> the help confusing.
> I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.
> Tks, Richard.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Jenny M Benson

Richard Hallford wrote
But I just started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now 
have put in Census details. Before I go any further though, I think I 
may have done it wrong, as its taking so long. The think is, Ive been 
putting them in via the events. Should I be making Census information a 
Master source list. I thought I had this worked out, but now I'm 
getting confused. Im getting mixed up as to which one I should be using.
Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each 
individual in the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of 
all the people in a Census, and then somehow add a single event (the 
appropriate Census). I find the help confusing.

I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.


I don't know why you found it hard to get an answer from the Archives as 
there must be loads of them there - this question keeps cropping up. 
You have to decide for yourself, of course, which method you want to go 
with, having read what everyone else does.


Personally, I create Census Events.  In the Description field I put all 
the information about the individual, in the Date field the date of 
Census night and in the Place field the Civil Parish.  I also enter the 
street address in Event Address and have adjusted the Event Sentences to 
include this.  For the Head of Household, in the Notes I list all the 
other people who were present in the house, using full name and RIN for 
everyone who has an entry in my Family File.   I then enter the Source 
and Source Details.


I then copy that Event to the Event Clipboard and paste into a new Event 
for the next person.  I edit their Details and in the Notes section I 
delete everything and enter "See ..." and type the name and RIN of 
the Head of Household.  I then repeat the copy and paste and editing of 
Details for each other household member.


By using the Event Clipboard you avoid having to enter Event Name, Date, 
Place, Address and Source Information more than once for each household. 
It only takes a few minutes to enter even quite a substantial household.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Jerry & Marilea Reinke
When you switched from FTM to Legacy did you lose all your "notes" you had 
recorded and obits?  Thanks, Marilea




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To: 
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Amen, Janis!  The important thing is to know where that data came from
so that others can find it or you can find it again.  At the risk of
having others shout, "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" I confess with fear and
trembling that I put my census transcriptions in the general notes
section and that I do not use census events.  I am not recommending
this method, but I had a very large database when I switched to Legacy
from Family Tree Maker.  My transcriptions were in the equivalent of
general notes, and FTM did not have census events.

Some methods are better than others; but if you get the data in the
program and show where it came from accurately, you will be miles
ahead of many.

Sara


On 10/12/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is 
> no

right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
research and your research skills.

The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you 
source

properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that 
I
have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing 
habits,

the better off you will be!

Janis




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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Leon Chapman
Randolph:
The page number is from the actual Census roll, page, image:
   Roll: T625_528, Page: 10B, ED: 50, Image: 0032

This is what Ancestry.com provides as their reference to the census image.
Chap


On 10/12/07, Randolph Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So the page number is the Ancestry assigned number and not the HQ one?
>
> On 10/12/07, Leon Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Richard:
> > I create a Census event, but keep it fairly simple.
> > Within the Census event, I use a Master Source for the Census record
> > with all of the details.
> > A couple examples of events and the associated sources is shown below:
> >
> > EVENTS:
> >  1. He appeared on the census on Jul 1, 1910 in Pleasant Valley Co,
> KS,
> > USA. (4)
> >  2.  He appeared on the census on Feb 27, 1920 in Bolton, Cowley Co,
> KS,
> > USA. (5) Roll: T625_528, Page: 10B, ED: 50, Image: 0032.
> >
> > You might notice in event 2 above, the details of Roll:,... has been
> > included.  This is redundant with the master source information and is
> > probably not necessary.
> >
> > MASTER SOURCES:
> > 4. US Federal Census - 1910 - Pleasant Valley, Cowley Co, Kansas, USA
> (Roll:
> >  T624_436; Pg: 2B. Enumeration District: 59; Image: 15.  Wells H.
> Chapman,
> >  Age 42, b. OH;  Lida M. Chapman, Age 43, b. IA;  Roy E. Chapman,
> Age 19,
> >  b. IA; Leora G. Chapman, Age 16, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Apr 20, 1910.
> > 5. US Federal Census - 1920 - Bolton, Cowley Co, KS, USA (Year:
> 1920;Census
> >  Place: Bolton, Cowley, Kansas; Roll: T625_528; Page: 10B;
> Enumeration
> >  District: 50; Image: 32.  Wells H. Chapman, age 53, b. OH; Lyda M.
> >  Chapman, age 42, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Feb 27, 1920.
> >
> > Anyway, this is how I do the Census & Sources - I am sure there are
> > lots of other ways, but for me, this provides a nice clean report
> > format output.
> >
> > Chap
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/07, Richard Hallford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Im a little confused. Im sure you guys all got this sorted out. But I
> just started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now have put in
> Census details. Before I go any further though, I think I may have done it
> wrong, as its taking so long. The think is, Ive been putting them in via the
> events. Should I be making Census information a Master source list. I
> thought I had this worked out, but now I'm getting confused. Im getting
> mixed up as to which one I should be using.
> > > Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each
> individual in the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of all
> the people in a Census, and then somehow add a single event (the appropriate
> Census). I find the help confusing.
> > > I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.
> > > Tks, Richard.
> > >
> > >
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RE: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Janis Gilmore
I create a Master Source for the census. I am a splitter, so I often create
a Master source for one person's census. Many people, though, just create a
Master Source for 1900 Census, or 1900 Missouri Census or 1900 Howell County
Missouri Census. Whatever is in your comfort zone.

Personally, I follow the method Geoff Rasmussen exhibits in the Legacy CD's
- I enter the data from the census in the notes section of an event. I like
this because I use the Chronology function a good bit, and I like to see the
census data exhibited with other events - not just in the Sources to the
events.

Others put the census data in the Source Detail.

I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is no
right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
research and your research skills.

The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you source
properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that I
have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing habits,
the better off you will be!

Janis





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RE: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Richard:

The reason it's hard to get an answer from the archives is because there
isn't one answer but many.  Much depends on what you intend to do with your
work.  Those who intend to print "family books" will focus on entering or
wording Events so they will have smooth sentences in the final product.
Others use their databases to create Web pages, and this might require a
different treatment.  Still others use Events to make timelines for research
purposes.  Some, like me, have no intention of creating books and rarely
even print reports; I just want a GEDCOM with thorough, accurate sourcing
for posting online and I don't use Events at all.  Then there are those who
want all of the above.  As both Janis and Sara said, you can't go too far
wrong if you have a thorough citation for each source; you can always copy
and paste later if you change your approach, although with a large database
this could get very tedious.  Best to decide on your goal early in the game.

As to ease of data entry, I create Master Sources at the state/province
level since my family is widely scattered and I rarely have many listings
for any given year and state.  So a Master Source would be "1930 US Census,
Michigan."  Others might split at the county level and have a Master Source
for "1930 US Census, Michigan, Lapeer County" and another similar for a
different Michigan county.  To record a census entry, I use the source
clipboard and select the appropriate Master Source.  Details about county,
enumeration district, page, etc. go in the Source Detail field.  Then I put
the full family listing in the Actual Source Detail Text box, along with any
comments about dob conflicts, name spellings, etc.  From there, it's a
simple matter to click and add this census data as a source to each family
member who was listed.  Some would also add an image of the census page
itself.

No matter what the method, it's important to decide what you want for a
final product.  Then do some experimenting with various types of reports to
see if you like the result.

Good luck!

Kirsten


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Im a little confused. Im sure you guys all got this sorted out. But I just
started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now have put in
Census details. Before I go any further though, I think I may have done it
wrong, as its taking so long. The think is, Ive been putting them in via the
events. Should I be making Census information a Master source list. I
thought I had this worked out, but now I'm getting confused. Im getting
mixed up as to which one I should be using.
Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each individual in
the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of all the people in
a Census, and then somehow add a single event (the appropriate Census). I
find the help confusing.
I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.
Tks, Richard.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Randolph Clark
So the page number is the Ancestry assigned number and not the HQ one?

On 10/12/07, Leon Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard:
> I create a Census event, but keep it fairly simple.
> Within the Census event, I use a Master Source for the Census record
> with all of the details.
> A couple examples of events and the associated sources is shown below:
>
> EVENTS:
>  1. He appeared on the census on Jul 1, 1910 in Pleasant Valley Co, KS,
> USA. (4)
>  2.  He appeared on the census on Feb 27, 1920 in Bolton, Cowley Co, KS,
> USA. (5) Roll: T625_528, Page: 10B, ED: 50, Image: 0032.
>
> You might notice in event 2 above, the details of Roll:,... has been
> included.  This is redundant with the master source information and is
> probably not necessary.
>
> MASTER SOURCES:
> 4. US Federal Census - 1910 - Pleasant Valley, Cowley Co, Kansas, USA (Roll:
>  T624_436; Pg: 2B. Enumeration District: 59; Image: 15.  Wells H. Chapman,
>  Age 42, b. OH;  Lida M. Chapman, Age 43, b. IA;  Roy E. Chapman, Age 19,
>  b. IA; Leora G. Chapman, Age 16, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Apr 20, 1910.
> 5. US Federal Census - 1920 - Bolton, Cowley Co, KS, USA (Year: 1920;Census
>  Place: Bolton, Cowley, Kansas; Roll: T625_528; Page: 10B; Enumeration
>  District: 50; Image: 32.  Wells H. Chapman, age 53, b. OH; Lyda M.
>  Chapman, age 42, b. IA.) Rec. Date: Feb 27, 1920.
>
> Anyway, this is how I do the Census & Sources - I am sure there are
> lots of other ways, but for me, this provides a nice clean report
> format output.
>
> Chap
>
>
>
> On 10/12/07, Richard Hallford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Im a little confused. Im sure you guys all got this sorted out. But I just 
> > started putting in people, I got about 156 of them and now have put in 
> > Census details. Before I go any further though, I think I may have done it 
> > wrong, as its taking so long. The think is, Ive been putting them in via 
> > the events. Should I be making Census information a Master source list. I 
> > thought I had this worked out, but now I'm getting confused. Im getting 
> > mixed up as to which one I should be using.
> > Also, Ive been laboriously clicking the Census info into each individual in 
> > the Census. There must be a way that I can make a list of all the people in 
> > a Census, and then somehow add a single event (the appropriate Census). I 
> > find the help confusing.
> > I searched the Archives, but hard to get an answer.
> > Tks, Richard.
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Sara Binkley Tarpley
Amen, Janis!  The important thing is to know where that data came from
so that others can find it or you can find it again.  At the risk of
having others shout, "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" I confess with fear and
trembling that I put my census transcriptions in the general notes
section and that I do not use census events.  I am not recommending
this method, but I had a very large database when I switched to Legacy
from Family Tree Maker.  My transcriptions were in the equivalent of
general notes, and FTM did not have census events.

Some methods are better than others; but if you get the data in the
program and show where it came from accurately, you will be miles
ahead of many.

Sara


On 10/12/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is no
> right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
> research and your research skills.
>
> The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you source
> properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
> old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that I
> have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing habits,
> the better off you will be!
>
> Janis



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Sara Binkley Tarpley
I didn't lose any either.  In fact, one of the reasons that I switched
to Legacy was that the version of FTM I was using had a limited amount
of notes space.  Sometimes I would have to continue a person's notes
into the notes area for his spouse.

Sara

On 10/12/07, John Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't lose any notes going from FTM to Legacy. John
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

2007-10-12 Thread Richard Hallford
Tks to all who replied. Clear but confusing. I'll obviously have to stop and
pause for thought before I go on. I did not think that there was so many
different ways of recording Census.
Back to the drawing board!
Kindest Regards, Richard Hallford.

Filing is easy, Retrieval is the hard part!

On 10/13/07, Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I didn't lose any either.  In fact, one of the reasons that I switched
> to Legacy was that the version of FTM I was using had a limited amount
> of notes space.  Sometimes I would have to continue a person's notes
> into the notes area for his spouse.
>
> Sara
>
> On 10/12/07, John Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I didn't lose any notes going from FTM to Legacy. John
> >
> >
>
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