Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
hmmm, I use plain text, can't see why there would be gunk happening on my emails, curiouser and curiouser. Early Australian newspapers use text like "announcing the birth of a new child to Mr and Mrs John Smith", this is why I've added an AKA for Mrs John Smith for most of my pre-1960 married females. For my convenience in cross checking my file. One of the reasons I asked about deed poll information and the birth certificate is also the sourcing issue - using the new source writer format, my birth certificate is going to show two names. I'll now have Mills pdf version of Evidence Explained, mayhap it'll give some example I could follow, other wise, I'll have to improvise with things that don't fit the norm. I remember someone awhile ago saying that they listed all their events sentencing and sourcing information that was different. I've been trying to follow that to help me keep track of what I've done. Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Just a quick note to Ron - when I finished the deed poll and it got formalised. I had to surrender my birth certificate and apply for the new one, looking back it seems funny. Pity I never thought back then of my later love for genealogy, I never kept copies of the old birth certificate. But my new one has the same registration, just a note at the side stating the deed poll name change. I guess I'll add notes in my family file to explain the differences. Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Tracy, My daughter changed her maiden name by deed poll when she had her first child so that all the family would have the same surname. I have entered this change as an AKA. There is no chance in England of the name being changed on the birth certificate, as except under very, very special circumstances (not even adoption) this is not allowed. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:30:50 +1000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) > > Some of the emails here have discussed change of names. I've changed > my name through deed poll and now I use my husband's surname. I've > seen other family files where the surname is listed as "Jones Now > Smith" or "Jones/Smith". Others have used birth names and add AKAs > for all the names, as well as a note. > > I have AKAs for my birth name, married name and I use my deed poll > name as my maiden name, and I have a deed poll event. Some of my > school records show my stepfather's surname, so I've also got an AKA > for that surname too. My little girl will know all my name variations > - but it could cause some confusion for others looking at my names and > trying to verify all the different names as attached to me. In my home > state my birth certificate has been amended to show both birth and > deed poll names. How do others show these changes? > > Cheers > Tracy _ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001006ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Hi Tracy/ Jan, Jenny etc. Thank you all for your brilliant responses. It seems to me that everyone uses a slightly different system, each of which is valid, non of which are perfect. I've no idea how to respond to some of the scenarios, and because every case is different, it could be that your exact scenario may not be duplicated elsewhere. I continue to read all the posts with interest. It does seem to me that, for the occasional exception it would be worth sticking to an overall plan and just customizing the specific report. By the way, I can't think how the gunk got attached to the bottom of Tracy's response (I do always use plain text), please delete it from all other responses - it was a completely different email in my inbox. Not only with Plaxo will I never miss a birthday again, but it seems that half of the L.U.G. might be sending Hilary Brewster a birthday card - apart from me, who will probably be late as usual! To add fuel on the fire, I got Tracy's email twice. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Skegg Sent: 18 June 2008 13:31 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Some of the emails here have discussed change of names. I've changed my name through deed poll and now I use my husband's surname. I've seen other family files where the surname is listed as "Jones Now Smith" or "Jones/Smith". Others have used birth names and add AKAs for all the names, as well as a note. I have AKAs for my birth name, married name and I use my deed poll name as my maiden name, and I have a deed poll event. Some of my school records show my stepfather's surname, so I've also got an AKA for that surname too. My little girl will know all my name variations - but it could cause some confusion for others looking at my names and trying to verify all the different names as attached to me. In my home state my birth certificate has been amended to show both birth and deed poll names. How do others show these changes? Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp . +OK 13311 octets Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from aamtain13-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtain02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.ntl.com> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:49:29 +0100 Received: from mx08.plaxo.com ([66.151.128.12]) by aamtain13-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:46:56 +0100 Received: from bes05.plaxo.com (bes05.plaxo.com [10.1.10.5]) by mx08.plaxo.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 806AC2073 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 18 Jun 2008 12:44:14 - From: "Plaxo Birthday Reminder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David S Brookes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: bulk Subject: Hilary Brewster's birthday is tomorrow (Jun. 19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_001_0028_01C2C189.94CF9E70" --=_NextPart_001_0028_01C2C189.94CF9E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, Hilary Brewster's birthday is tomorrow (Jun. 19). It's coming up on June 19th! Send Hilary a FREE e-card: http://www.plaxo.com/bday?e=34359779494-300927946-2281770244&r=10&s=13503481 &f=1&new=1&bday=2008-06-19&src=aimDay7PhotoOffVal Send Hilary a printed birthday card - $3.95 each http://www.plaxo.com/bday?e=34359779494-300927946-2281770244&r=13&s=13503481 &f=1 Send Hilary a bouquet of fresh flowers - starting at $24.95 http://www.plaxo.com/bday?e=34359779494-300927946-2281770244&r=22&s=13503481 &f=1 Buy Hilary gifts for her: http://www.plaxo.com/bday?e=34359779494-300927946-2281770244&r=30&s=13503481 &f=1 or for him: Buy Hilary books, music, and more! http://www.plaxo.com/click?key=BN_bmm&u=34359779494&uniq=300927946&s=1350348 1 or a Barnes & Noble Gift Card http://www.plaxo.com/click?key=BN_gc&u=34359779494&uniq=300927946&s=13503481
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Some of the emails here have discussed change of names. I've changed my name through deed poll and now I use my husband's surname. I've seen other family files where the surname is listed as "Jones Now Smith" or "Jones/Smith". Others have used birth names and add AKAs for all the names, as well as a note. I have AKAs for my birth name, married name and I use my deed poll name as my maiden name, and I have a deed poll event. Some of my school records show my stepfather's surname, so I've also got an AKA for that surname too. My little girl will know all my name variations - but it could cause some confusion for others looking at my names and trying to verify all the different names as attached to me. In my home state my birth certificate has been amended to show both birth and deed poll names. How do others show these changes? Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
You would think our ancestors could have been more considerate when selecting names and thought of us poor souls who would one day have to work out how to enter their names into Legacy. *grin* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Jan Roberts wrote >my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time >I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I >became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, >although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he >actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the >children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I >have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to >describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my >daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. You are not correct in your last sentence! If you wish to show your husband and children all with the surname Brown, that's fine, and you'd do just as you have done. However, if you wished to show your husband as Smith, because that was the name he was born with, and use Brown as an AKA, yet still show your children as Browns, you would simply change the "suggested" surname of Smith to Brown when you entered your children's names. For various reasons I have instances in my Family File where the legitimate children of a married couple do not have exactly the same surname as the main one for their father. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Yes Jenny, that is what I do - see my second response to David, where I elaborated a little more. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:09:PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Jan Roberts wrote >my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time >I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I >became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, >although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he >actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the >children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I >have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to >describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my >daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. You are not correct in your last sentence! If you wish to show your husband and children all with the surname Brown, that's fine, and you'd do just as you have done. However, if you wished to show your husband as Smith, because that was the name he was born with, and use Brown as an AKA, yet still show your children as Browns, you would simply change the "suggested" surname of Smith to Brown when you entered your children's names. For various reasons I have instances in my Family File where the legitimate children of a married couple do not have exactly the same surname as the main one for their father. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Jan Roberts wrote my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. You are not correct in your last sentence! If you wish to show your husband and children all with the surname Brown, that's fine, and you'd do just as you have done. However, if you wished to show your husband as Smith, because that was the name he was born with, and use Brown as an AKA, yet still show your children as Browns, you would simply change the "suggested" surname of Smith to Brown when you entered your children's names. For various reasons I have instances in my Family File where the legitimate children of a married couple do not have exactly the same surname as the main one for their father. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Yes David, Legacy does allow you to record a different surname for anyone - regardless of the father's surname. i.e If you have Legacy options set to automatically fill in the surname based on the father's surname you can always override that on an individual basis. And yes, I am always referred to as Jan MAIDENNAME in reports. However, I structure my narrative reports so that the sentences only use first or "quoted" names (for instance I am really Janet, but always known as Jan - so Jan is the "quoted name), interspersed with He/She so the reports read more naturally. If I want to I can also use field names in my sentence structures specify the name / combinations of names to be used. However, if I retained his birth name as the primary name in Legacy I would get sentences that said things like John George SMITH married Janet Kay MAIDENNAME / John and Jan had one daughter etc. etc. - because the reports will only use the primary name (in a variety of ways as specified by the field names) - and clearly Janet Kay MAIDENNAME did not marry a John George SMITH. And if I recorded my daughter's surname as BROWN it would muddy the report even further. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:09:AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Jan, Thank you so much for that. That's another interesting one. I think I am write in saying that John George SMITH can have a daughter named Mary BROWN (i.e. Legacy will allow a change of Surname). Am I correct in saying that in Legacy reports etc you will always be know and referred to as Jan (..maiden name) in spite of being married to a SMITH /BROWN? Do let me know if I am wrong here - I don't actually generate reports that often! Therefore, personally, one could have your first husband as John George SMITH and use Fred James BROWN as an A.K.A/alternate name. This is personally what I would go for, just to keep my rule of 'standardization at birth', but it is certainly another option. Thank you for pointing that out. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Roberts Sent: 18 June 2008 00:01 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) I agree completely with your line of reasoning. With one exception - my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 11:46:PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. 8.0.100 / Vi
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Hi Jan, Thank you so much for that. That's another interesting one. I think I am write in saying that John George SMITH can have a daughter named Mary BROWN (i.e. Legacy will allow a change of Surname). Am I correct in saying that in Legacy reports etc you will always be know and referred to as Jan (..maiden name) in spite of being married to a SMITH /BROWN? Do let me know if I am wrong here - I don't actually generate reports that often! Therefore, personally, one could have your first husband as John George SMITH and use Fred James BROWN as an A.K.A/alternate name. This is personally what I would go for, just to keep my rule of 'standardization at birth', but it is certainly another option. Thank you for pointing that out. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Roberts Sent: 18 June 2008 00:01 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) I agree completely with your line of reasoning. With one exception - my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 11:46:PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 16.06.2008 7:20:AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
I agree completely with your line of reasoning. With one exception - my late first husband was born (say) John George SMITH, but by the time I met him he had legally changed his name to Fred James BROWN. I became Mrs Jan BROWN when we married. Our daughter is Mary BROWN. So, although his parents are listed as Bill SMITH and Jane BROWN (he actually took his mother's maiden name when he changed) and the children from his first marriage carry the name SMITH in my database I have recorded John George SMITH as an AKA - and I used an Event to describe the reason and date for the name change. Otherwise my daughter would show as Mary SMITH, which she has never been. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 11:46:PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the main entry. When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read other people's thought's. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 16.06.2008 7:20:AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Kathy, I agree, I have a number of Obits. with Mrs Joe Blogs, but unfortunately it is very accurate as Mrs always meant "the mistress of". This usage only ceased as my generation grew up. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:59:29 -0400 > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) > > ...and there is nothing more frustrating than an obituary that refers > to MRS JOE BLOW but make no mention of her given name! > Kathy > At 11:43 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >>... If Mary Smith marries John Doe then upon marriage she becomes >>Mrs. John Doe and not Mary Doe. ... > _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Yes, I can see that, now John. Had not thought of that as the problem does not occur in my database. Thank you. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/musicaldirector54 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: 17 June 2008 17:14 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) David, The Title Suffix is useful when there are a series of repeated names. Some examples: Moses Sanders, Sr. Moses Sanders, Jr. Moses Sanders (child of Sr.'s son Aaron) I will probably recognize which Moses is which by the spouse, children, and date/place but someone not familiar with the line may find the Sr and Jr helpful. (Moses, Sr. is my wife's 5th great-grandfather.) John > Hi Everyone, > To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' > boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to > read > other people's thought's. > > > > Best wishes > > David > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
I see what you are saying about "Smith married Jones", Ron. I think I would use the 'Title Prefix' (Mr, Miss) just for the 'unknown entries' to get around this, and delete them when the correct name turns up. It does seem like personal choice though and I know you have your own very well thought out system. I mention it here only just in case other would want to consider it as an option. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: 17 June 2008 15:55 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) David, We are back to free choice! I do use Mr, Mrs etc. but have compromised by not using Master - although I have said on a few times to this group that technically one should use it for a male child rather than Mr. So why do I use it? Simply this, I do not use "Unknown" for a name nor any other of the many variations which I have read here, much preferring to leave the name blank. This has an unfortunate effect on the output for reports/webpages which then read eg: "Smith married Jones". This I hate so it's Mr Smith and Miss Jones. You are correct about the change of title to Mrs on marriage and, as you suggest, in the AKAs I enter Smith Mrs. I do this for all individuals irrespective as to whether or not I have all their names. In version6 there was another advantage in that it made their married names easily accessible. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:45:34 +0100 > > Hi Everyone, > > All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, > etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I > realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the > Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I > can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and > if they are married or not. > > All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I > distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to > change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you > use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' > or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to > specify for each record? > > All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' > become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on > opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' > surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs > Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. > This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her > maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I > would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). > > I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, > at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would > add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At > birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the > main entry. > > When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given > at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth > information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex > change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an > 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I > do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if > legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original > record a
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
After reading the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs.#Marital_status on 'Mrs', I reach the conclusion that the use of the term is wide/ varied. At the moment, after reading this and several posts on L.U.G., I am still leaning towards not using Mrs, Miss, Ms or Mr (to be consistant) at least on the main Individual's Information sheet (except when the name is unknown when I will use Mr and Miss, as a temporary measure, until I find out the names). I think other titles (Dame, Lady, Dr, Sir, etc. go in the A.K.A section). But, I still could change my mind! Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandra Black Sent: 17 June 2008 16:03 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) I agree David. Well put. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:45 AM, music-line <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the main entry. When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read other people's thought's. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Wow, I'd forgotten all that. Yet in Legacy the female is always entered as 'unmarried'. Do you therefore enter "Miss" Mary Smith and then "Mrs John Doe" (or for some, "Mrs Mary Doe") etc under the alternative name option? One of my points is that if in the Individual Information sheet has the unmarried name, by default it should be Miss, so why put it in. How do you get on with recording a female who, after being married obtains a higher rank/title? It would, presumably be incorrect to add it to her main individual information sheet (maiden name) - it would read Dame Mary Smith instead of Dame Mary Doe (or would it be Dame Mrs John Doe?). That is why I would put these 'extra' titles in the A.K.A./Alternative name option. Perhaps at this point I have successfully managed to confuse myself and everyone else? :-) Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/musicaldirector54 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 17 June 2008 16:44 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) David, In doing royal genealogy it is considered proper to use the highest rank or title a person attains rather than their rank at birth. I have tended to use this in my everyday genealogy as well. I also tend to have a different outlook on married names. If Mary Smith marries John Doe then upon marriage she becomes Mrs. John Doe and not Mary Doe. I think I got this from my grandmother who always signed her letters as: Edna Edith Earl Mrs. Tyson Godfrey - Original Message From: music-line <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:45:34 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname.. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the main entry. When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read other people's thought's. Best wishes David Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.Le
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
...and there is nothing more frustrating than an obituary that refers to MRS JOE BLOW but make no mention of her given name! Kathy At 11:43 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote: ... If Mary Smith marries John Doe then upon marriage she becomes Mrs. John Doe and not Mary Doe. ... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
David, The Title Suffix is useful when there are a series of repeated names. Some examples: Moses Sanders, Sr. Moses Sanders, Jr. Moses Sanders (child of Sr.'s son Aaron) I will probably recognize which Moses is which by the spouse, children, and date/place but someone not familiar with the line may find the Sr and Jr helpful. (Moses, Sr. is my wife's 5th great-grandfather.) John > Hi Everyone, > To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' > boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to > read > other people's thought's. > > > > Best wishes > > David > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
David, In doing royal genealogy it is considered proper to use the highest rank or title a person attains rather than their rank at birth. I have tended to use this in my everyday genealogy as well. I also tend to have a different outlook on married names. If Mary Smith marries John Doe then upon marriage she becomes Mrs. John Doe and not Mary Doe. I think I got this from my grandmother who always signed her letters as: Edna Edith Earl Mrs. Tyson Godfrey - Original Message From: music-line <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:45:34 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname.. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the main entry. When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read other people's thought's. Best wishes David Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
I agree David. Well put. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:45 AM, music-line <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, > etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I > realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the > Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I > can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females > and > if they are married or not. > > All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If > I > distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need > to > change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you > use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' > or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need > to > specify for each record? > > All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' > become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on > opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' > surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs > Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. > This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her > maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but > I > would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). > > I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. > If, > at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would > add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At > birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the > main entry. > > When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name > given > at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth > information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex > change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an > 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I > do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if > legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original > record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any > change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) > > To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' > boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to > read > other people's thought's. > > > > Best wishes > > David > > * > David S Brookes > Musical Director, The Brewood Singers >www.brewoodsingers.co.uk > Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey >www.polesworthabbey.co.uk > * > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
David, We are back to free choice! I do use Mr, Mrs etc. but have compromised by not using Master - although I have said on a few times to this group that technically one should use it for a male child rather than Mr. So why do I use it? Simply this, I do not use "Unknown" for a name nor any other of the many variations which I have read here, much preferring to leave the name blank. This has an unfortunate effect on the output for reports/webpages which then read eg: "Smith married Jones". This I hate so it's Mr Smith and Miss Jones. You are correct about the change of title to Mrs on marriage and, as you suggest, in the AKAs I enter Smith Mrs. I do this for all individuals irrespective as to whether or not I have all their names. In version6 there was another advantage in that it made their married names easily accessible. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:45:34 +0100 > > Hi Everyone, > > All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, > etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I > realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the > Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I > can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and > if they are married or not. > > All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I > distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to > change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you > use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' > or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to > specify for each record? > > All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' > become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on > opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' > surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs > Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. > This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her > maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I > would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). > > I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, > at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would > add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At > birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the > main entry. > > When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given > at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth > information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex > change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an > 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I > do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if > legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original > record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any > change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) > > To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' > boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read > other people's thought's. > > > > Best wishes > > David > > * > David S Brookes > Musical Director, The Brewood Singers > www.brewoodsingers.co.uk > Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey > www.polesworthabbey.co.uk > * > _ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001006ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
If Jane Doe marries Fred Bloggs then I add an Alternative Name of Mrs Jane Bloggs. This is done so that if I find an event for a Jane Bloggs in a census, on a headstone or anywhere else then I can search the index for Jane Bloggs. I don't bother whether the term "Mrs" would have been used at that time and place, it is just to make it easier for me to find someone. I did ask several years ago whether it could become an *OPTION* in some future version of Legacy so glad to see it. At the time there were a number of people objecting because either a wife does not adopt her husband's name in their country or they were feminists who would not dream of using their husband's name. They obviously did not understand the concept of an "option". Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of music-line > Sent: 17 June 2008 14:46 > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization) > > Hi Everyone, > > All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after > Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own > practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not > actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's > Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, > I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the > males & females and if they are married or not. > > All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become > Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living > persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's > to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the > abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' > or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', > why do we need to specify for each record? > > All females are Miss, until they are married at which point > they 'usually' > become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I > happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my > surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' > surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name > will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name > changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. > This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to > be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might > actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in > the 'alternative names' option). > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Mr & Mrs (was Standardization)
Hi Everyone, All this talk about whether we put full stops or not after Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc. had got me thinking about my own practice. When I came to think, I realized that I do not actually record Mr, Mrs etc. at all in the Individual's Information' view! Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, I can't see the reason. In Legacy, we can see clearly the males & females and if they are married or not. All males are initially 'Master's' and at some point become Mister's'. If I distinguish between the two, for living persons at some time I would need to change all my 'Master's to Mister's'. That seems unnecessary work. If you use the abbreviation 'Mr', am I right in thinking this stands for 'Master' or 'Mister'? As all males (in anglicized speak) are 'Mr', why do we need to specify for each record? All females are Miss, until they are married at which point they 'usually' become Mrs. In the Legacy family view. My wife and I happily sit on opposite sides of the page, me with my surname, and Carol with her 'maiden' surname. If I then insert Mrs, as her title, surely her name will read Mrs Carol Southall, but when married her name changed to Mrs Carol Brookes. This creates an unnecessary complication. If she wanted to be known by her maiden surname, in the U.K. she might actually prefer to be titled Ms (but I would then put this in the 'alternative names' option). I even have mixed thoughts about titles such as Rev, Dr, Dame, Sir etc. If, at a later point I actually finish my thesis and become a doctor, I would add 'Dr' in the alternate name section, with an 'event' explanation. At birth I would not have been a 'Dr', so would not include it as part of the main entry. When making an entry in Legacy, I have always put in the original name given at birth. That makes sense to me, especially if searching for Birth information/certificates. If my name was George Smith and I had a sex change my name might become Georgina Smith. This I would recorded as an 'event', and my new name would go in the 'alternate names'. Fortunately I do not have a 'sex change' to deal with in my database, and I don't know if legacy has an option here, but my gut reaction is to keep the original record as 'George - male' and to use the 'event' section to record any change. (No offence meant to anyone, here) To summaries, I would usually not use the 'Title Prefix' or 'Title Suffix' boxes in the 'Individual's information' view. I would be interested to read other people's thought's. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
