Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy (Families) program for iPhone

[hwedhlor]

  Hi Graham,

Sorry to hear of your frustrations in obtaining the Families
app, and getting it running.  Families is not a product of
Millennium, nor is it associated with their Legacy Family
Tree product other than it was designed to synchronize data
with Legacy.  Families is a product of TelGen, and any
difficulties you have in obtaining it should be addressed to
them, or to Apple via the App Store if the problem is with
purchasing the Families app. Unless you have "jailbroken"
your iPhone there are no apps available from any source
other than the iTunes App Store.

Problems with using Families should be addressed directly to
TelGen.  You might consider joining the users forum for
Families at "www.telgen.co.uk/families/forum" where you can
voice your concern about needing a WiFi connection to Sync
your Legacy files with the Families App.  If you go to that
URL you will find the "User Forum" listed on the left side
of the screen.  I have already posted a comment on that
forum concerning the requirement for WiFi.

In the meantime, perhaps there is a WiFi connection
available in your neighborhood that you might use to
transfer your files.

I have the Families app, and have enjoyed using it.  I will
be happy to help you in any way that I can, but suggest that
you contact me directly via e-mail, rather than via the LUG
list.

JohnZ
Mesa, AZ

On 8/17/2010 9:46 PM, Graham wrote:
> Hello all, and am I the only one having trouble with the Legacy
> "Families" program?
>
> Maybe I've done it wrong, but I have just gone through many hours of
> the most convoluted downloading procedure I have ever encounted.
>
> For starters, I received an email which stated "Use this coupon for
> 10% off your entire order in the Legacy Family Tree Online store:
> 10off". Underneath this it mentioned "Legacy for iPhones etc".
>
> That seemed like a good idea, I'll go buy it...but after much
> searching I found out it is not at the store...it is at iTunes.
>
> That's where my trouble began, many hours of clicking, downloading,
> and god knows what else, I finally ended up with the "Families"
> program on my computer and on my iPhone. Now it wants me to wifi sync
> or something, so as to put my Legacy file into 'Families' on my
> iPhone. At the moment all I have in 'Families' is the Kennedy family.
>
> I don't have wifi...so does anybody know of another way to get Legacy
> onto my iPhone using the USB?
>
> Hope this makes sense to someone, because I've just about lost all of
> mine.
>
> Thanks, Graham
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Any way to move pictures to event?

[David Baker]

I have most of my documents such as birth, death & marriage certificates
just attached to the individual. Now that I am getting more familiar with
Legacy I realise that is wrong and I should have these photos attached to
the events (vital events?) instead.
Is there any easy way (in Picture Centre for example) to move them from
Individual to Birth for example?
I can't see any way that doesn't require me to retype (or actually
copy/paste) both the caption and the Description fields. This is going to
get tedious for 200 documents!

While I am here I have read some info that actually these certificates
shouldn't be attached to events anyway, but should be attached to sources?
Is that correct? The reason I haven't gone that way is that I use TNG for my
family to view the info & I can't get TNG to show pictures attached to
sources.

Thanks,

Dave



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[LegacyUG] Legacy (Families) program for iPhone

[Graham]

Hello all, and am I the only one having trouble with the Legacy
"Families" program?

Maybe I've done it wrong, but I have just gone through many hours of
the most convoluted downloading procedure I have ever encounted.

For starters, I received an email which stated "Use this coupon for
10% off your entire order in the Legacy Family Tree Online store:
10off". Underneath this it mentioned "Legacy for iPhones etc".

That seemed like a good idea, I'll go buy it...but after much
searching I found out it is not at the store...it is at iTunes.

That's where my trouble began, many hours of clicking, downloading,
and god knows what else, I finally ended up with the "Families"
program on my computer and on my iPhone. Now it wants me to wifi sync
or something, so as to put my Legacy file into 'Families' on my
iPhone. At the moment all I have in 'Families' is the Kennedy family.

I don't have wifi...so does anybody know of another way to get Legacy
onto my iPhone using the USB?

Hope this makes sense to someone, because I've just about lost all of
mine.

Thanks, Graham





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Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[Ron Ferguson]

You are not on your own, Sherry, I too have had a very poor response (if
any) when I have tried to contact owners of Rootsweb and Ancestry sites. At
one time I used them for fishing trips (even then I didn't trust the
information), but now I only look if a link crops up when I am looking for
something specific.

Ron Ferguson
_

*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England



Sherry/Support wrote:
> No it was always with my personal email address just like anyone else
> looking for more info on a web posting!
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
>  wrote:
>> I'm wondering if the person might not have felt intimidated
>> especially if your email gave any sort of reference to a tie with
>> Legacy or Millennia Corp? I could understand where they might just
>> want to ignore you under those circumstances. But as I stated
>> before, there are many people out there that create a family file
>> without any sources or documents. They rely mostly on assumptions,
>> family rumors, and my favorite "he/she MUST HAVE been (enter event
>> name and/or here)".
>>
>> Brian in CA
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

To correct a possible misunderstanding. People (me included) reccommend not 
putting Unknown into name fields. Since the program autofills empty fields on 
the screen, I prefer the printouts to have a blank area to eventually write in, 
when data is found, instead of crossing out unknown on the printout. Either way 
works just as well.
The other words, as Kathy found, are hardcoded in the program, to use 
'conventions'  as used by major organizations (LDS, DAR, SAR) .
It is all a choice, not a rule.
Rich in LA CA


--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Kathy Meyer  wrote:


From: Kathy Meyer 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date question
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 1:33 PM


that is helpful, thank you.


On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot  
wrote:

More about Dates..

I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the word 
"unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:

    "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead, 
deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."

Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a 
case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info 
for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as an 
infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I 
entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word "infant". 
Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a capital letter 
I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered how this would look 
in a report and here is what that would look like:

    "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on 17 
Aug 2010 and died as an infant."

In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the 
wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words under 
various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.

Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant of 
these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in case 
others might find it beneficial.


Brian in CA
Still learning...





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Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[Sherry/Support]

No it was always with my personal email address just like anyone else
looking for more info on a web posting!

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
 wrote:
> I'm wondering if the person might not have felt intimidated especially if 
> your email gave any sort of reference to a tie with Legacy or Millennia Corp? 
> I could understand where they might just want to ignore you under those 
> circumstances. But as I stated before, there are many people out there that 
> create a family file without any sources or documents. They rely mostly on 
> assumptions, family rumors, and my favorite "he/she MUST HAVE been (enter 
> event name and/or here)".
>
> Brian in CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Kathy Meyer]

that is helpful, thank you.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot <
br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote:

> More about Dates..
>
> I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the
> word "unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:
>
> "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead,
> deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."
>
> Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a
> case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info
> for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as
> an infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I
> entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word
> "infant". Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a
> capital letter I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered
> how this would look in a report and here is what that would look like:
>
> "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on
> 17 Aug 2010 and died as an infant."
>
> In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the
> wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words
> under various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.
>
> Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant
> of these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in
> case others might find it beneficial.
>
>
> Brian in CA
> Still learning...
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I'm wondering if the person might not have felt intimidated especially if your 
email gave any sort of reference to a tie with Legacy or Millennia Corp? I 
could understand where they might just want to ignore you under those 
circumstances. But as I stated before, there are many people out there that 
create a family file without any sources or documents. They rely mostly on 
assumptions, family rumors, and my favorite "he/she MUST HAVE been (enter event 
name and/or here)".

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 August, 2010 11:25 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
>
> If they were, I would expect a bounce message.  Not getting any
> bounces from these people. Just silence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
>  wrote:
> > In one instance, one person had borrowed my data, including unknown
> errors, then died. His copies of my errors were still there the last
> time I looked. Some sites became 'owner' of the data, and wouldn't let
> me edit it. So the people you needed to contact may be dead already.
> > Rich in LA CA
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Sherry/Support 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Sherry/Support 
> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:09 AM
> >> And I've written to *numerous* people
> >> who have posted trees, asking
> >> for more information (usually to confirm a source because
> >> their info
> >> differs from mine) and have *never* received a response!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Sherry
> >> Technical Support
> >> Legacy Family Tree
> >>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

More about Dates..

I thought that the only permissible word in a Legacy date field was the word 
"unknown". Until I found this little gem in the Legacy Help File:

 "You can also enter the following words into any date field: dead, 
deceased, child, infant, stillborn and young."

Huh? That was news to me. I've often wondered about how should one handle a 
case of a young child whose birth date may have been known but the only info 
for a death date was something from a Family Bible that was akin to "died as an 
infant", etc. So I checked this out within Legacy on a test individual. I 
entered a normal birth date but for a death date I entered the word "infant". 
Surprisingly Legacy immediately changed it to "Infant" (with a capital letter 
I) which told me that Legacy accepted the word. I wondered how this would look 
in a report and here is what that would look like:

 "Surprise Arizona, son of WhereAmI Arizona and Mary Test, was born on 17 
Aug 2010 and died as an infant."

In other words, just having the word "Infant" in the date results in the 
wording that one would want to see in a report. I tested the other words under 
various circumstances and the report wording is quite acceptable.

Darn. Learn something new every day! Maybe it was just me that was ignorant of 
these little "date words" but I thought I'd still post the info just in case 
others might find it beneficial.


Brian in CA
Still learning...





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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Eliz Hanebury]

I have tons of those, and Legacy lets me do after (date) and before
(date) when all the dates are from a Will, being written and dated and
being probated.



Eliz

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:53 AM, BMcL Robinson  wrote:
> HI Ron
>
> What about "after 21 Feb 1942" if you can't commit to an end date?
>
> Cheers, Brett
> BMcL Robinson, Hamilton 3240, New Zealand
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ronald E Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:34 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
>
> I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
> date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
> shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
> as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ron H
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Understood

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Sherry/Support  wrote:

> From: Sherry/Support 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 11:25 AM
> If they were, I would expect a bounce
> message.  Not getting any
> bounces from these people. Just silence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
> 
> wrote:
> > In one instance, one person had borrowed my data,
> including unknown errors, then died. His copies of my errors
> were still there the last time I looked. Some sites became
> 'owner' of the data, and wouldn't let me edit it. So the
> people you needed to contact may be dead already.
> > Rich in LA CA
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Sherry/Support 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Sherry/Support 
> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other
> online trees
> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:09 AM
> >> And I've written to *numerous* people
> >> who have posted trees, asking
> >> for more information (usually to confirm a source
> because
> >> their info
> >> differs from mine) and have *never* received a
> response!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Sherry
> >> Technical Support
> >> Legacy Family Tree
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[Sherry/Support]

If they were, I would expect a bounce message.  Not getting any
bounces from these people. Just silence.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 wrote:
> In one instance, one person had borrowed my data, including unknown errors, 
> then died. His copies of my errors were still there the last time I looked. 
> Some sites became 'owner' of the data, and wouldn't let me edit it. So the 
> people you needed to contact may be dead already.
> Rich in LA CA
>
> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Sherry/Support  wrote:
>
>> From: Sherry/Support 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:09 AM
>> And I've written to *numerous* people
>> who have posted trees, asking
>> for more information (usually to confirm a source because
>> their info
>> differs from mine) and have *never* received a response!
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I have many potential problems in my database. They include a priest stating a 
birth on Feb 30 (I forgot year). Once chosen, the PP 'accepts' the error, which 
is not mine, but a long dead person's. There seems to be an attitude that PP 
are always bad. If you want to use 'present', go ahead.
Using it can make reports look good, and family members should understand it.
Rich in LA CA


On Tue, 8/17/10, Ronald E Howell  wrote:

> From: Ronald E Howell 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:50 AM
> Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson,
>
> Knowing that the problem was not with the date of
> '02/21/1942', but with the word 'present' or even 'current'
> (I had tested both and gotten the same BAD.  I have
> opted for using the word 'From' in front of my date(s) with
> no '-' after that date.  While it is not what I desire,
> it does eliminate the individuals, with such events, from
> the 'Potential Problems Report'.
>
> Again Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:59 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
> Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I
> said that "02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in
> context, the OP stated Legacy was marking "02/21/1942 -
> Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word "Present"
> that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of
> the date as "02/21/1942".
>
> Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by
> itself, it would be accepted by Legacy and not marked as
> BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format is set to
> dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately
> convert it so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost
> all genealogists would consider it a bad habit to enter
> dates in that format and all should try to think in terms of
> the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as
> smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of
> 02/21/1942 is middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an
> American date entry of 02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb
> 1942 but in the rest of the world, it would work out to 02
> Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering dates
> as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the
> acceptable and standard method of entering dates.
>
>
> Brian in CA
> ---
> (Post converted from HTML to Plain Text)
>
>
> From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
>
> Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in
> genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 ... anyone using any other method
> confuses the issue and we stress this is the only way for
> all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand
> your discussion Dad
>
> > From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
> >
> > The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word
> "Present" as a valid date. I believe that the only word the
> Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the word "unknown" (excluding
> all prefixes). When you stop and think about, you'll realize
> why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later
> somebody is reading a report generated by your file? The
> word PRESENT at that time may no longer be truthful thus
> Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful
> thing you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and
> Residence is to enter what you really know for sure and that
> is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 02/21/1942 to 08/2010".
> Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will remain
> valid in perpetuity.
> >
> > More info about entering date ranges can be found in
> the HELP file. Just enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword
> search.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion
> of your date. Different users may be seeing this displayed
> differently on their family file such as with dashes or
> spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the
> DATES tab of Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering
> these bad dates after-the-fact by turning on Date
> Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> > >
> > > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and
> Residence) in which I use
> > > the
> > > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'. The
> Potential 

Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

In one instance, one person had borrowed my data, including unknown errors, 
then died. His copies of my errors were still there the last time I looked. 
Some sites became 'owner' of the data, and wouldn't let me edit it. So the 
people you needed to contact may be dead already.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Sherry/Support  wrote:

> From: Sherry/Support 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:09 AM
> And I've written to *numerous* people
> who have posted trees, asking
> for more information (usually to confirm a source because
> their info
> differs from mine) and have *never* received a response!
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Kirsten Bowman 
> wrote:
> > I had an unsourced tree posted at RootsWeb for
> probably five years with the same expectation--having people
> contact me for sources--and even said so in the page
> headers.  *No one* ever wrote although the counter I
> installed ticked away indicating the file had been viewed by
> a couple of thousand people.  Finally someone pointed out
> that sources add credibility to your work.  I switched to
> Legacy specifically for the sourcing capability and began
> including them.  At that point I started getting contacts.
>  No blizzard, but about half a dozen a year from a database
> of just under 10,000 names.  Now I just have to work on
> standardizing the formatting so the citations look good as
> well as being credible.
> >
> > Kirsten
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: jay_inga...@pipeline.com
> [mailto:jay_inga...@pipeline.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:14 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online
> trees
> >
> >
> > I created a new Legacy file copy of data I wanted to
> post, stripped all
> > (hope so) notes and sources, then added a new source
> saying if people
> > contact me I can provide the sources and notes that I
> have. Then posted that
> > data on Rootsweb. Almost no one has contacted me for
> additional info. One or
> > two people have sent correction requests.
> >
> > Jay
> > - Original Message -
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online
> trees
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:33:59 -0700, "Brian L.
> Lightfoot"
> > 
> wrote:
> >
> >>Any online tree with no source citations is pretty
> weak evidence but
> >>without anything else to go by, I consider it a
> starting point for
> >>additional research.
> >
> > From: "Dennis M. Kowallek" 
> >
> > I don't publish sources in my online family tree
> precisely because I
> > want the viewer to contact me. He/she might be a
> distant relative that
> > can help me as much as I can help them. If the viewer
> chooses to copy my
> > info without asking about sources ... not my problem.
> >
> > And like others, I might use an online family tree as
> a clue to further
> > research. If the tree does not contain sources, I will
> attempt to
> > contact the compiler.
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Ronald E Howell]

Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson,

Knowing that the problem was not with the date of '02/21/1942', but with the 
word 'present' or even 'current' (I had tested both and gotten the same BAD.  I 
have opted for using the word 'From' in front of my date(s) with no '-' after 
that date.  While it is not what I desire, it does eliminate the individuals, 
with such events, from the 'Potential Problems Report'.

Again Thanks Brian and BMcL Robinson

-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I said that 
"02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in context, the OP stated Legacy 
was marking "02/21/1942 - Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word 
"Present" that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of the date as 
"02/21/1942".

Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by itself, it would be 
accepted by Legacy and not marked as BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format 
is set to dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately convert it 
so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost all genealogists would 
consider it a bad habit to enter dates in that format and all should try to 
think in terms of the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as 
smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of 02/21/1942 is 
middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an American date entry of 
02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb 1942 but in the rest of the world, it 
would work out to 02 Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering 
dates as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the acceptable and 
standard method of entering dates.


Brian in CA
---
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From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 
... anyone using any other method confuses the issue and we stress this is the 
only way for all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand your 
discussion Dad

> From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
>
> The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
> date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the 
> word "unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, 
> you'll realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the 
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a 
> report generated by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be 
> truthful thus Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing 
> you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter 
> what you really know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 
> 02/21/1942 to 08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will 
> remain valid in perpetuity.
>
> More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just 
> enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
> users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
> with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of 
> Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact 
> by turning on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> >
> > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> > the
> > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'. The Potential Problems Report
> > shows that the date is 'bad'. Is there a way to change the date (not
> > 'Mark
> > as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Ron H
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file on a Kindle or other tablet device?

[Leon Chapman]

>
> Bob:
>

Here is their URL:

www.telgen.co.uk/families


In the iTunes Store, search for Families

Leon Chapman



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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Maybe a little more explanation would be in order of why I said that 
"02/21/1942" has nothing wrong with it. Taken in context, the OP stated Legacy 
was marking "02/21/1942 - Present" as BAD. I stated that it was the word 
"Present" that caused Legacy to declare it BAD and not the entry of the date as 
"02/21/1942".

Specifically, if a user were to enter 02/21/1942 all by itself, it would be 
accepted by Legacy and not marked as BAD. Assuming that the Legacy date format 
is set to dd-mmm-, you should expect to see Legacy immediately convert it 
so that it displays as "21 Feb 1942". But almost all genealogists would 
consider it a bad habit to enter dates in that format and all should try to 
think in terms of the standard format of day-month-year. Think of it as 
smallest-middle-biggest. The confusing American practice of 02/21/1942 is 
middle-smallest-largest. If you ran across an American date entry of 
02/04/1942, it probably means 04 Feb 1942 but in the rest of the world, it 
would work out to 02 Apr 1942. Avoid the confusion and get used to entering 
dates as dd-mmm-. As "Dad" stated in his message, it is the acceptable and 
standard method of entering dates.


Brian in CA
---
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From: Richard and Evita Piepho [mailto:erpie...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question

Wen .. The acceptable and standard entry for dates in genealogy is 16 Feb 1933 
... anyone using any other method confuses the issue and we stress this is the 
only way for all concerned world wide to enter dates... If I understand your 
discussion Dad

> From: br...@the-lightfoots.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:48:54 -0700
>
> The problem is that Legacy does not recognize the word "Present" as a valid 
> date. I believe that the only word the Legacy recognizes (accepts) is the 
> word "unknown" (excluding all prefixes). When you stop and think about, 
> you'll realize why the word PRESENT is not valid. What if you create the 
> record today with the word PRESENT and 10 years later somebody is reading a 
> report generated by your file? The word PRESENT at that time may no longer be 
> truthful thus Legacy is telling you that it is "bad". The only truthful thing 
> you can do in your circumstance such as Occupation and Residence is to enter 
> what you really know for sure and that is "02/21/1942 to 08/2010" or "from 
> 02/21/1942 to 08/2010". Probably not what you wanted to see but the data will 
> remain valid in perpetuity.
>
> More info about entering date ranges can be found in the HELP file. Just 
> enter "Dates, Ranges" in the keyword search.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the "02/21/1942" portion of your date. Different 
> users may be seeing this displayed differently on their family file such as 
> with dashes or spaces between the day, the word for the month instead of 
> number, etc, but this is all due to the settings on the DATES tab of 
> Customize Settings. You can avoid discovering these bad dates after-the-fact 
> by turning on Date Checking/Report only unrecognized dates.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ronald E Howell [mailto:rehowell0...@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question
> >
> > I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use
> > the
> > date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'. The Potential Problems Report
> > shows that the date is 'bad'. Is there a way to change the date (not
> > 'Mark
> > as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Ron H
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:20:46 +0100, "Ron Ferguson"
 wrote:

>Dennis has already drawn attention to a potential problem area with
>Acrobat reader.

Ron:

I don't know if the problem involves how the Acrobat Reader renders the
PDF for viewing, or how Legacy constructs the PDF. My guess would be the
latter is the problem. Perhaps Legacy (or the 3rd party control that
Legacy uses) makes certain assumptions about character spacing that
don't hold true for every size font (or print driver). In the middle of
writing my book I bought a new inkjet printer. I noticed small but
noticeable differences in the book's layout, especially with citation
superscripts and the number of words Legacy placed on a line before
wrapping. So I left the old bubblejet printer installed as the default
on my PC and used that until I finished the book.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[Ron Ferguson]

Brian,

Why? Dennis has already drawn attention to a potential problem area with
Acrobat reader.

Ron Ferguson

PS. If you wish everyone to read your posts, I suggest that you use Plain
Text, rather than relying on others to change from your HTML
_

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- Original Message -
From: john.wo...@totalise.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 17 August 2010 13:28
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF
descendant book


Great idea, didn't think of that. The defaults worked nicely so I'd stuck
with them. In fact, simply by changing the font size from 10 to 11 I've
vastly improved it. I'll keep playing with that option. Thanks.
Re the Acrobat Reader version suggestion, I feel it's very unlikely to be
the reader that's at fault, much more likely the writer that embedded in
Legacy.
John


On Aug 17 2010, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:03:05 +0100, "Ron Ferguson"
wrote:

>Sorry, John, but I cannot repeat your problem either. I created a small
>Ancestor Report with the Sources at the bottom of each page and created the
>PDF using the Legacy Option.
>
>My Reader is version 9.3.3.177.
>
>Have you considered that the problem may be with Acrobat Reader, and tried
>reinstalling that?

Replying to Ron because the OP did not post in plain text...

Sometimes a change in font will make a difference. I also noticed slight
differences in PDF layout based on the printer I have selected as the
default. So changing the default printer, even if this means installing
a non-existent printer, might correct the problem.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees

[Sherry/Support]

And I've written to *numerous* people who have posted trees, asking
for more information (usually to confirm a source because their info
differs from mine) and have *never* received a response!


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Kirsten Bowman  wrote:
> I had an unsourced tree posted at RootsWeb for probably five years with the 
> same expectation--having people contact me for sources--and even said so in 
> the page headers.  *No one* ever wrote although the counter I installed 
> ticked away indicating the file had been viewed by a couple of thousand 
> people.  Finally someone pointed out that sources add credibility to your 
> work.  I switched to Legacy specifically for the sourcing capability and 
> began including them.  At that point I started getting contacts.  No 
> blizzard, but about half a dozen a year from a database of just under 10,000 
> names.  Now I just have to work on standardizing the formatting so the 
> citations look good as well as being credible.
>
> Kirsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jay_inga...@pipeline.com [mailto:jay_inga...@pipeline.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:14 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
>
>
> I created a new Legacy file copy of data I wanted to post, stripped all
> (hope so) notes and sources, then added a new source saying if people
> contact me I can provide the sources and notes that I have. Then posted that
> data on Rootsweb. Almost no one has contacted me for additional info. One or
> two people have sent correction requests.
>
> Jay
> - Original Message -
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] information from other online trees
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:33:59 -0700, "Brian L. Lightfoot"
>  wrote:
>
>>Any online tree with no source citations is pretty weak evidence but
>>without anything else to go by, I consider it a starting point for
>>additional research.
>
> From: "Dennis M. Kowallek" 
>
> I don't publish sources in my online family tree precisely because I
> want the viewer to contact me. He/she might be a distant relative that
> can help me as much as I can help them. If the viewer chooses to copy my
> info without asking about sources ... not my problem.
>
> And like others, I might use an online family tree as a clue to further
> research. If the tree does not contain sources, I will attempt to
> contact the compiler.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[john . woods]

Great idea, didn't think of that. The defaults worked nicely so I'd stuck with them. In fact, simply by changing the font size from 10 to 11 I've vastly improved it. I'll keep playing with that option. Thanks.


Re the Acrobat Reader version suggestion, I feel it's very unlikely to be the reader that's at fault, much more likely the writer that embedded in Legacy. 


John




On Aug 17 2010, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: 

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:03:05 +0100, "Ron Ferguson"
wrote:

>Sorry, John, but I cannot repeat your problem either. I created a small
>Ancestor Report with the Sources at the bottom of each page and created the
>PDF using the Legacy Option.
>
>My Reader is version 9.3.3.177.
>
>Have you considered that the problem may be with Acrobat Reader, and tried
>reinstalling that?

Replying to Ron because the OP did not post in plain text...

Sometimes a change in font will make a difference. I also noticed slight
differences in PDF layout based on the printer I have selected as the
default. So changing the default printer, even if this means installing
a non-existent printer, might correct the problem.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file on a Kindle or other tablet device?

[Robert Runion]

I'm interested in the Families program under discussion for use with an iPAD 
(planning on buying one, but need APP info). Can you direct me to a site that 
provides information on it?  I did a few researches but could not come up with 
a web site to explain the program and its features? Is it available from the 
Apple Store?


Bob

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Dwain Rosenberger wrote:

> Marilyn, as Leon pointed out Families works on the iPad, iPhone plus the iPod 
> touch.  I use it on the iPad and for doing research away from my home PC, it 
> provides you with the ability to add/change/revise information in the field.  
> It also provides all the information in your PC database, such as 
> pictures/events/notes/sources, plus all the normal family information you 
> have entered.
>
> You can also add any new information you find during your research, including 
> photo's/scan's etc., that you have available on the device.
>
> This app was written for Legacy, so anyone using Legacy will have no 
> problem's interfacing with Families. It's a 5-Star app for Legacy users.
>
> Dwain C. Rosenberger - (dcrose...@gmail.com)
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Leon Chapman  wrote:
> Marilyn:
>
> Families will run on an iPad and iPhone.  I have it running on my iPhone and 
> have an iPad also.
> I also have GedView, FamViewer, and Tree-to-Go on my iPhone and iPad.
>
> Families allows you to edit the file on the iPhone/iPad and then transfer 
> (write a new Legacy file) back to your computer.  Families is the best one to 
> work directly with Legacy files to include pictures and all events.
>
> The others mostly transfer a GEDCom file to the iPhone app and then you can 
> view the information and see a tree or report.  The screens are too small on 
> the iPhone to be of much use when viewing, but you do have all of your 
> genealogy information at your finger tips.
>
> The Tree-to-Go works directly on-line with your family tree information on 
> Ancestry.com and allows editing your information on the web site.
>
> For Legacy users, the Families App is the best one to work with.
>
> Keep in mind that all of these apps lack many of the features you have come 
> to expect on your desktop Legacy software, but they are very useful and I 
> would highly recommend all of them.  GedView is probably my 2nd choice for an 
> app on the iPhone/iPad.
>
> Good luck.
>
> ___
> Leon Chapman
>
> -
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Marilyn Clark  
> wrote:
> I, too, would like to know. I'm thinking about the iPad, and see that Legacy 
> can be imported into another App for the iPad called "Families." Has anyone 
> actually used this? Is it similar enough to Legacy to be pretty intuitive? I 
> don't want to learn another genealogy program...
>
> Marilyn
>
> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Dee Ziegler  wrote:
>
> From: Dee Ziegler 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy file on a Kindle or other tablet device?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Cc: dee.zieg...@gmail.com
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:14 PM
>
> Hello to the group. I understand that I can use my Legacy file on a
> small device like an iPhone. Screen's too small for my purpose.
>
> Is there a way to use it on a Kindle or other electronic tablet device?
>
> Thanks. Dolly (not quite a technodunce, but close) in Maryland USA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:03:05 +0100, "Ron Ferguson"
 wrote:

>Sorry, John, but I cannot repeat your problem either. I created a small
>Ancestor Report with the Sources at the bottom of each page and created the
>PDF using the Legacy Option.
>
>My Reader is version 9.3.3.177.
>
>Have you considered that the problem may be with Acrobat Reader, and tried
>reinstalling that?

Replying to Ron because the OP did not post in plain text...

Sometimes a change in font will make a difference. I also noticed slight
differences in PDF layout based on the printer I have selected as the
default. So changing the default printer, even if this means installing
a non-existent printer, might correct the problem.

--

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http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question

[BMcL Robinson]

HI Ron

What about "after 21 Feb 1942" if you can't commit to an end date?

Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson, Hamilton 3240, New Zealand

- Original Message -
From: "Ronald E Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:34 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question


I have several events (i.e. Occupation and Residence) in which I use the
date as follows: '02/21/1942 - Present'.  The Potential Problems Report
shows that the date is 'bad'.  Is there a way to change the date (not 'Mark
as Not problem' on the report) as to remove the items from the report?

Thanks in advance

Ron H





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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[Ron Ferguson]

Sorry, John, but I cannot repeat your problem either. I created a small
Ancestor Report with the Sources at the bottom of each page and created the
PDF using the Legacy Option.

My Reader is version 9.3.3.177.

Have you considered that the problem may be with Acrobat Reader, and tried
reinstalling that?

Ron Ferguson
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http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England


- Original Message -
From: john.wo...@totalise.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 17 August 2010 08:38
Subject: [LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF
descendant book


'm having trouble with the positioning of the source reference number in the
pdf version of a descendant book. It displays correctly at the end of the
sentence in Legacy but when I create a pdf from it the number shifts left
and overlaps the text. This makes both the number and the last bit of text
difficult to read.
Does anyone else have this problem? Has anyone resolved it?
I've tried the Legacy Support team but they can't recreate it.
I've had it for quite a while and lived with it. Recently done a clean
install of 7.4 and still got it. I'm running Windows XP and have Acrobat
Reader 9.3.3 installed.
Thanks
John





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[LegacyUG] Problem with source reference formatting in PDF descendant book

[john . woods]

'm having trouble with the positioning of the source reference number in the pdf version of a descendant book. It displays correctly at the end of the sentence in Legacy but when I create a pdf from it the number shifts left and overlaps the text. This makes both the number and the last bit of text difficult to read.


Does anyone else have this problem? Has anyone resolved it?


I've tried the Legacy Support team but they can't recreate it.


I've had it for quite a while and lived with it. Recently done a clean install of 7.4 and still got it. I'm running Windows XP and have Acrobat Reader 9.3.3 installed.


Thanks


John





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