Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Colin Liddell]

- Original Message -
From: Mike Fry
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question


On 2011/02/22 17:43, Larry McCumber wrote:
> On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
> parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
> Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
> person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
> only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
> descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
> lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
> the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
> 7.5.0.56 Deluxe.

They're not always added automatically for new people. To make them appear -
and
to refresh them after adding new people - go to Tools --> Set Relationships
and
follow the instructions. At the same time, if in the View tab of the
Customisation screen, you've enables the option "Ancestor Colour Coding",
then
you might also try Tools --> Apply Ancestor Colours.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg--
-

If anyone chooses to enable Ancestor Colour Coding and later down the track
you decide that you do not like it, keep in mind that (in my experience) it
is not to easy to remove.
If I am wrong and there is an easy way to reverse this, I would be most
interested to know how it is done.
Colin.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and internet searches

[Barb Weed]

I too would like to receive the tutorial for the internet searches.
bweed66...@yahoo.com
I would also like to apologize for the spam message that you received when my 
e-mail was hijacked.  I hope to have that fixed now.
Barb Weed



From: Kathy Meyer 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and internet searches


He emailed them as PDF attachments.  If he doesn't send them to you, I'd be 
happy to forward them to you.  Just let me know. Kathy


On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:42 PM, John Harris  wrote:

I would like to be put on the list to receive the tutorials/handouts that you 
prepared for your presentation.  Do they come via the internet or do you for me 
to send my mailing address.
>
>Thank you,
>
>John
>
>
>
>From: BG Johnson 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Cc:
>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:39 PM
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and internet searches
>
>I also wish there was a way to upload these to the LUG.  I have sent them to 
>several people who have asked for them and have several more interested.  It 
>would be much easier that way.
>
>The tutorials are actually handouts I made for my presentation to a local 
>users group and have not been "beta tested".  I would therefore like some 
>feedback on how they work for you.  Others who have asked and have not yet 
>received them should get them as soon as I have time to send them.  I am now 
>heading to the local community college for a genealogy class.
>
>bgj
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kathy Shiell-Stokes [mailto:familyt...@wightman.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:30 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and internet searches
>
>Is there any way the tutorial could appear on list? I think a lot of people 
>would be interested in itand although a lengthy discussion has taken place 
>in the past re: incorporating favourite  search spots, a repeat seems in 
>order. If not then..me too!
>
>Kathy
>At 02:45 PM 2/10/2011, you wrote:
>>I, too, would like to receive the tutorial(s).
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:15 PM, BG Johnson
>><b...@brmemc.net> wrote:
>>>
>>Kathy,
>>
>>
>>
>>You most certainly can add  ??Find My Past ?  or any other site you
>>wish to add.  I will send you some tutorials I have written to your
>>off line address.
>>>
>>
>>
>>bgj
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Kathy Jones [mailto:ka...@flyingneedle.ca]
>>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and internet searches
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello and I have a question on the internet searches.  Would it be
>>>possible to add Find My Past to the list of sites that can be searched
>>from Legacy?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>Kathy Jones
>>
>>www.flyingneedle.ca
>>>
>>mailto:ka...@flyingneedle.ca
>>
>>Embird and Studio tutorials
>>
>>Embird Studio Yahoo
>>>list
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] Printing out events

[Noddie]

Hi

I was wondering if whilst in the Edit event window for a person
whether you can print out the info on the
screen without having to go Search | Individual | Event etc.  There
does not seem to be an option for this there?
Maybe I missed something.
Thanks for that
Gwen




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Larry McCumber]

Thanks for all the help.  I got it turned off, which is what I wanted.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Gene Adams  wrote:
> Larry,
>    What you need to also do is starting with your family view record, go to
> "tools", then "set relationships".   Leave the next screen as all default
> selections.  This will then go through the file and identify the
> relationships of the individuals in your file to yourself...i.e., 2nd
> great-grandfather, 2 great-uncles, wife of 2nd great uncle, and their
> children's relationship to yourself.  And when you the program is finished,
> that is how you find which are your 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins and those that are
> in catagories like 4th cousin one removed.
> Gene Adams
> 
> From: Larry McCumber 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:43:57 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Family View Question
>
> On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
> parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
> Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
> person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
> only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
> descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
> lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
> the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
> 7.5.0.56 Deluxe.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center & resizing

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:47 -0500, Kirstin 
wrote:

>I am using Windows 7, but I finally got it fixed. I uninstalled,
>rebooted, then reinstalled. I had done each of those things multiple
>times, but not in that order. Hopefully it will stay fixed.

Make sure you install it in C:\Legacy\. Don't install it in C:\Program
Files\.

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center & resizing

[Kirstin]

I am using Windows 7, but I finally got it fixed. I uninstalled,
rebooted, then reinstalled. I had done each of those things multiple
times, but not in that order. Hopefully it will stay fixed.

Kirstin

On 2/22/2011 7:44 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:49:19 -0500, Kirstin
> wrote:
>
>> I've been struggling with a couple problems for several weeks now.
> What is your operating system and where did you install Legacy?
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RE: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

[Paul Gray]

Bill,

If you could list them, that would be helpful. But, as a general question, are 
they within your 'My Pictures' and 'My Documents' folders?

Then, if you could go back to FTM (I can't say exactly how, I don't have FTM 
2008) and check whether the paths there are identical to what's in Legacy. I 
suspect that they are.

If that is the case (i.e. the paths are identical in both FTM and Legacy), I 
would do nothing. Others posters may have a different opinion.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Bill Paulson [mailto:fwill...@gmail.com]
Sent: February-22-11 1:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

Paul,

Doing as you've suggested brings up a list of 10 identified paths.
Should I list them all on list or send you the list in a separate
email?

Bill

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Paul Gray  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Actually, the folder you are describing sounds like the multimedia backup 
> folder, not the base folder where the pictures are.
>
> If you were using FTM 2008, it had links to pictures somewhere on your drive. 
> I would not expect that location to have changed. In other words, the picture 
> had a link to somewhere on your drive in FTM 2008, and I think it should have 
> the exact same link in Legacy.
>
> Generally speaking, there is no absolute need to put everything into 
> C:\Legacy\Pictures. There are some special considerations if you are going to 
> use Legacy on multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) but I won't go 
> into those yet.
>
> Perhaps you should go to View --> Master Lists --> Picture Location. What 
> paths to the pictures are there?
>
> I think it works this way. I know when I export from Legacy to FTM (i.e. the 
> opposite direction) that's how it works.
>
> Paul Gray
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Paulson [mailto:fwill...@gmail.com]
> Sent: February-22-11 12:11 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker
>
> I'm a new Legacy user making the transition from FTM 2008. I have
> Legacy v. 7.5.0.56 installed on a desktop running Windows XP, SP 3 and
> on a laptop running Windows 7. The transition via Gedcom was seemingly
> uneventful, however, none of the census images, photos or other
> miscellaneous documents were placed in Legacy's default folder, i.e.
> C:Legacy>Pictures; but, are instead included in sub-folders within
> C:Legacy>Paulson Family Tree multimedia
>
> Based on conversations with another Legacy User (I'm a member of a
> local Legacy User Group), I'm about ready to conclude that to take
> full advantage of all the features available in Legacy, I need to move
> the contents of the Paulson Family Tree multimedia folder described
> above to C:Legacy>Pictures. I need assurance that my conclusion is
> correct and, if so, could I "click and drag" the entire folder
> (including the sub-folders contained therein) from their current
> location to C:Legacy>Pictures; or, is there a better way? Are there
> any unforeseen consequences I need to be aware of?
>
> Any guidance fellow list users provide will be most appreciated.
>
> Bill Paulson
> Spokane, Washington, USA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

[Bill Paulson]

Paul,

Doing as you've suggested brings up a list of 10 identified paths.
Should I list them all on list or send you the list in a separate
email?

Bill

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Paul Gray  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Actually, the folder you are describing sounds like the multimedia backup 
> folder, not the base folder where the pictures are.
>
> If you were using FTM 2008, it had links to pictures somewhere on your drive. 
> I would not expect that location to have changed. In other words, the picture 
> had a link to somewhere on your drive in FTM 2008, and I think it should have 
> the exact same link in Legacy.
>
> Generally speaking, there is no absolute need to put everything into 
> C:\Legacy\Pictures. There are some special considerations if you are going to 
> use Legacy on multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) but I won't go 
> into those yet.
>
> Perhaps you should go to View --> Master Lists --> Picture Location. What 
> paths to the pictures are there?
>
> I think it works this way. I know when I export from Legacy to FTM (i.e. the 
> opposite direction) that's how it works.
>
> Paul Gray
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Paulson [mailto:fwill...@gmail.com]
> Sent: February-22-11 12:11 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker
>
> I'm a new Legacy user making the transition from FTM 2008. I have
> Legacy v. 7.5.0.56 installed on a desktop running Windows XP, SP 3 and
> on a laptop running Windows 7. The transition via Gedcom was seemingly
> uneventful, however, none of the census images, photos or other
> miscellaneous documents were placed in Legacy's default folder, i.e.
> C:Legacy>Pictures; but, are instead included in sub-folders within
> C:Legacy>Paulson Family Tree multimedia
>
> Based on conversations with another Legacy User (I'm a member of a
> local Legacy User Group), I'm about ready to conclude that to take
> full advantage of all the features available in Legacy, I need to move
> the contents of the Paulson Family Tree multimedia folder described
> above to C:Legacy>Pictures. I need assurance that my conclusion is
> correct and, if so, could I "click and drag" the entire folder
> (including the sub-folders contained therein) from their current
> location to C:Legacy>Pictures; or, is there a better way? Are there
> any unforeseen consequences I need to be aware of?
>
> Any guidance fellow list users provide will be most appreciated.
>
> Bill Paulson
> Spokane, Washington, USA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

[Ron Ferguson]

Bill,

I cannot think of any difference which it will whatsoever. The advantage of
placing the folder, no matter what one calls it, in C:\Legacy is simply that
it makes it easier to transfer your data to another machine. If you have not
already done so, I would change the location of the folder to
C:\Legacy\Paulson... in Options>Customise>Locations.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Bill Paulson
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

I'm a new Legacy user making the transition from FTM 2008. I have
Legacy v. 7.5.0.56 installed on a desktop running Windows XP, SP 3 and
on a laptop running Windows 7. The transition via Gedcom was seemingly
uneventful, however, none of the census images, photos or other
miscellaneous documents were placed in Legacy's default folder, i.e.
C:Legacy>Pictures; but, are instead included in sub-folders within
C:Legacy>Paulson Family Tree multimedia

Based on conversations with another Legacy User (I'm a member of a
local Legacy User Group), I'm about ready to conclude that to take
full advantage of all the features available in Legacy, I need to move
the contents of the Paulson Family Tree multimedia folder described
above to C:Legacy>Pictures. I need assurance that my conclusion is
correct and, if so, could I "click and drag" the entire folder
(including the sub-folders contained therein) from their current
location to C:Legacy>Pictures; or, is there a better way? Are there
any unforeseen consequences I need to be aware of?

Any guidance fellow list users provide will be most appreciated.

Bill Paulson
Spokane, Washington, USA




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RE: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

[Paul Gray]

Bill,

Actually, the folder you are describing sounds like the multimedia backup 
folder, not the base folder where the pictures are.

If you were using FTM 2008, it had links to pictures somewhere on your drive. I 
would not expect that location to have changed. In other words, the picture had 
a link to somewhere on your drive in FTM 2008, and I think it should have the 
exact same link in Legacy.

Generally speaking, there is no absolute need to put everything into 
C:\Legacy\Pictures. There are some special considerations if you are going to 
use Legacy on multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) but I won't go into 
those yet.

Perhaps you should go to View --> Master Lists --> Picture Location. What paths 
to the pictures are there?

I think it works this way. I know when I export from Legacy to FTM (i.e. the 
opposite direction) that's how it works.

Paul Gray

-Original Message-
From: Bill Paulson [mailto:fwill...@gmail.com]
Sent: February-22-11 12:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

I'm a new Legacy user making the transition from FTM 2008. I have
Legacy v. 7.5.0.56 installed on a desktop running Windows XP, SP 3 and
on a laptop running Windows 7. The transition via Gedcom was seemingly
uneventful, however, none of the census images, photos or other
miscellaneous documents were placed in Legacy's default folder, i.e.
C:Legacy>Pictures; but, are instead included in sub-folders within
C:Legacy>Paulson Family Tree multimedia

Based on conversations with another Legacy User (I'm a member of a
local Legacy User Group), I'm about ready to conclude that to take
full advantage of all the features available in Legacy, I need to move
the contents of the Paulson Family Tree multimedia folder described
above to C:Legacy>Pictures. I need assurance that my conclusion is
correct and, if so, could I "click and drag" the entire folder
(including the sub-folders contained therein) from their current
location to C:Legacy>Pictures; or, is there a better way? Are there
any unforeseen consequences I need to be aware of?

Any guidance fellow list users provide will be most appreciated.

Bill Paulson
Spokane, Washington, USA



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[LegacyUG] Transitioning to Legacy from Family Tree Maker

[Bill Paulson]

I'm a new Legacy user making the transition from FTM 2008. I have
Legacy v. 7.5.0.56 installed on a desktop running Windows XP, SP 3 and
on a laptop running Windows 7. The transition via Gedcom was seemingly
uneventful, however, none of the census images, photos or other
miscellaneous documents were placed in Legacy's default folder, i.e.
C:Legacy>Pictures; but, are instead included in sub-folders within
C:Legacy>Paulson Family Tree multimedia

Based on conversations with another Legacy User (I'm a member of a
local Legacy User Group), I'm about ready to conclude that to take
full advantage of all the features available in Legacy, I need to move
the contents of the Paulson Family Tree multimedia folder described
above to C:Legacy>Pictures. I need assurance that my conclusion is
correct and, if so, could I "click and drag" the entire folder
(including the sub-folders contained therein) from their current
location to C:Legacy>Pictures; or, is there a better way? Are there
any unforeseen consequences I need to be aware of?

Any guidance fellow list users provide will be most appreciated.

Bill Paulson
Spokane, Washington, USA



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[William Boswell]

You're right.  I forgot about that.  I don't know if that was in all of the 
censuses, but probably so.  That would make sense.

---
Bill Boswell


-Original Message-
From: Cynthia Pursch [mailto:ci...@mckelleb.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:19 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

If you read the top of the 1900 census record, it states "Include every person 
living on June 1, 1900."  So, I am sure it followed through on the other census 
records.  They also didn't include children that were born after June 1, 1900.  
Just for an explanation for why some deceased members of a family are included 
in a census when they are not alive.  And, why some children are not listed 
even though you know they were born by the census.


Cynthia

-Original Message-
From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

An event, fact or anomaly?  My great grandfather was counted in the 1930 census 
only because his casket and body were lying in the parlor at the time.  He was 
a jokester and nicknamed "Ha Ha" dying on April Fool's Day no less.  I guess 
the joke was on him this time.

I included him for the 1930 census only because it is in the record, but the 
date of the census was taken post death so this is very odd.  In this case, the 
census might be an event for him.  He participated, but never knew it.

This makes me wonder how many people were dead at the time a census was taken.  
This could lead many researchers down empty roads if no obituary or other proof 
could be found because they would think the person was still alive at that time.

---
Bill Boswell


-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Ron,

Must be our common background, that we agree on so much :-)

I'd question whether the Census had any effect on an ancestor. One or two of
mine (and the wife's) seem to have made it a point of honour, to make it as
difficult as possible, for their descendants to find traces of them. Sue
certainly has a grandfather who disappears about March every 10 years or so. And
no. He wasn't inside. I'm still at a loss to know where he was in 1901! Albert
SHERMAN. Where are you!





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Ron Ferguson]

David,

Your remarks about how and when a census is conducted do not necessarily
apply to other countries. In all the constituent countries of the UK the
census takes place over night on a Sat/Sun and is completed there and then,
and not spread over a period of time.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: David C Abernathy
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

And compare the two.

"The word fact can refer to verified information about past or present
circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality"
"Event can refer to many things such as:" and a LONG list of event types.

My thought, a fact is the record of an event. The "Census" is the event, but
we refer to the record of the event, same as the birth, marriage, and death.

The census were taken and the questions were based on the date required by
law, not the date that census was really taken. Even today when we fill out
the forms, we are to answer base on the date required. We have (I) filled
them out before AND after the required date. I have filled out about 5 forms
and I know I did NOT do it on the day in question, so did I even get it
right, who knows. The last one, we did fill it out the day we received it in
the mail and then mailed it on the day of census was to be taken.

Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara
[mailto:family.na...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Good summary Mike. Death is an event (having its own data area), a
funeral is an event, an award ceremony is an event, blue eyes are a
fact, a missing finger is a fact, all of these can be substantiated by
a source (certificate, newspaper article, medical statement, personal
knowledge, etc).  While being in the newspaper for some may seem like
an event or factthe newspaper entry is merely reporting on the
event/fact taking place resulting in the article.  Your 'if it's on
paper it's a source' applies to every application I can think of; I've
used the same rule for years.

Some may choose to enter a census, a newspaper article, or any number
of other 'sources' as events/facts because of the way they appear when
printed or sortedthat's a formatting preferenceand possibly a
limitation of the programbut never-the-less they remain 'sources'.
Gary

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
Portions removed.
> A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
> census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
> assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and
> Event
> and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and
> not a
> Fact or an Event.
>
> My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
> transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence
> of
> Facts and Events.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Gene Adams]

Larry,
   What you need to also do is starting with your family view record, go to
"tools", then "set relationships".   Leave the next screen as all default
selections.  This will then go through the file and identify the relationships
of the individuals in your file to yourself...i.e., 2nd great-grandfather, 2
great-uncles, wife of 2nd great uncle, and their children's relationship to
yourself.  And when you the program is finished, that is how you find which are
your 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins and those that are in catagories like 4th cousin one
removed.

Gene Adams




From: Larry McCumber 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:43:57 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
7.5.0.56 Deluxe.

Thanks,
Larry



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Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Richard Van Wasshnova]

RWhen YOU are in the family view it says you are "son", right? Your mother
is "self"?
You need to go to Tools > Set Relationships when you are starting person,
not your mother.

-- Richard Van Wasshnova


On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Larry McCumber 
 wrote:

> On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
> parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
> Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
> person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
> only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
> descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
> lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
> the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
> 7.5.0.56 Deluxe.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Mike Fry]

On 2011/02/22 17:43, Larry McCumber wrote:
> On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
> parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
> Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
> person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
> only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
> descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
> lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
> the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
> 7.5.0.56 Deluxe.

They're not always added automatically for new people. To make them appear - and
to refresh them after adding new people - go to Tools --> Set Relationships and
follow the instructions. At the same time, if in the View tab of the
Customisation screen, you've enables the option "Ancestor Colour Coding", then
you might also try Tools --> Apply Ancestor Colours.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Randy Clark]

Tools|Set Relationships

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Larry McCumber  wrote:
> On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
> parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
> Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
> person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
> only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
> descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
> lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
> the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
> 7.5.0.56 Deluxe.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[David C Abernathy]

Go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

And compare the two.

"The word fact can refer to verified information about past or present 
circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality"
"Event can refer to many things such as:" and a LONG list of event types.

My thought, a fact is the record of an event. The "Census" is the event, but we 
refer to the record of the event, same as the birth, marriage, and death.

The census were taken and the questions were based on the date required by law, 
not the date that census was really taken. Even today when we fill out the 
forms, we are to answer base on the date required. We have (I) filled them out 
before AND after the required date. I have filled out about 5 forms and I know 
I did NOT do it on the day in question, so did I even get it right, who knows. 
The last one, we did fill it out the day we received it in the mail and then 
mailed it on the day of census was to be taken.

Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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-Original Message-
From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara 
[mailto:family.na...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Good summary Mike. Death is an event (having its own data area), a
funeral is an event, an award ceremony is an event, blue eyes are a
fact, a missing finger is a fact, all of these can be substantiated by
a source (certificate, newspaper article, medical statement, personal
knowledge, etc).  While being in the newspaper for some may seem like
an event or factthe newspaper entry is merely reporting on the
event/fact taking place resulting in the article.  Your 'if it's on
paper it's a source' applies to every application I can think of; I've
used the same rule for years.

Some may choose to enter a census, a newspaper article, or any number
of other 'sources' as events/facts because of the way they appear when
printed or sortedthat's a formatting preferenceand possibly a
limitation of the programbut never-the-less they remain 'sources'.
Gary

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
Portions removed.
> A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
> census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
> assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and 
> Event
> and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and not a
> Fact or an Event.
>
> My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
> transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence of
> Facts and Events.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg



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[LegacyUG] Family View Question

[Larry McCumber]

On the family view, in the space between the main entry and the
parents of the main entry there are titles such as "2nd
Great-Grandson" and "Wife of 2nd Great_Grandson".  These change as the
person in the main selection boxes change.  The odd thing is that it
only follows my mother's ancestral line.  What setting causes these
descriptions to appear, and why does it not follow all ancestral
lines?  I do have "Set Direct Line as Preferred" from myself back to
the first ancestor recorded in each of my lines.  I'm on release
7.5.0.56 Deluxe.

Thanks,
Larry



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Cynthia Pursch]

If you read the top of the 1900 census record, it states "Include every person 
living on June 1, 1900."  So, I am sure it followed through on the other census 
records.  They also didn't include children that were born after June 1, 1900.  
Just for an explanation for why some deceased members of a family are included 
in a census when they are not alive.  And, why some children are not listed 
even though you know they were born by the census.


Cynthia

-Original Message-
From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

An event, fact or anomaly?  My great grandfather was counted in the 1930 census 
only because his casket and body were lying in the parlor at the time.  He was 
a jokester and nicknamed "Ha Ha" dying on April Fool's Day no less.  I guess 
the joke was on him this time.

I included him for the 1930 census only because it is in the record, but the 
date of the census was taken post death so this is very odd.  In this case, the 
census might be an event for him.  He participated, but never knew it.

This makes me wonder how many people were dead at the time a census was taken.  
This could lead many researchers down empty roads if no obituary or other proof 
could be found because they would think the person was still alive at that time.

---
Bill Boswell


-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Ron,

Must be our common background, that we agree on so much :-)

I'd question whether the Census had any effect on an ancestor. One or two of
mine (and the wife's) seem to have made it a point of honour, to make it as
difficult as possible, for their descendants to find traces of them. Sue
certainly has a grandfather who disappears about March every 10 years or so. And
no. He wasn't inside. I'm still at a loss to know where he was in 1901! Albert
SHERMAN. Where are you!





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RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[BG Johnson]

As near as I can tell, Legacy does not distinguish between a fact and an event. 
 In Legacy help, a fact is referred to as an event.  That is, when you click on 
"Fact" in the index you see definitions for "event".

By the way Bill, my instructor was not embarrassed in front of the class, it 
was a "water cooler" conversation.

bgj

-Original Message-
From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

An event, fact or anomaly?  My great grandfather was counted in the 1930 census 
only because his casket and body were lying in the parlor at the time.  He was 
a jokester and nicknamed "Ha Ha" dying on April Fool's Day no less.  I guess 
the joke was on him this time.

I included him for the 1930 census only because it is in the record, but the 
date of the census was taken post death so this is very odd.  In this case, the 
census might be an event for him.  He participated, but never knew it.

This makes me wonder how many people were dead at the time a census was taken.  
This could lead many researchers down empty roads if no obituary or other proof 
could be found because they would think the person was still alive at that time.

---
Bill Boswell






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Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Ron Ferguson]

Gary,

No argument from me!

Missing a finger is a Fact, but losing a finger is an Event. I rather think
a newspaper report usually would be a Source to the Event, rather than the
Fact.

Ron Ferguson
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From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Good summary Mike. Death is an event (having its own data area), a
funeral is an event, an award ceremony is an event, blue eyes are a
fact, a missing finger is a fact, all of these can be substantiated by
a source (certificate, newspaper article, medical statement, personal
knowledge, etc).  While being in the newspaper for some may seem like
an event or factthe newspaper entry is merely reporting on the
event/fact taking place resulting in the article.  Your 'if it's on
paper it's a source' applies to every application I can think of; I've
used the same rule for years.

Some may choose to enter a census, a newspaper article, or any number
of other 'sources' as events/facts because of the way they appear when
printed or sortedthat's a formatting preferenceand possibly a
limitation of the programbut never-the-less they remain 'sources'.
Gary

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
Portions removed.
> A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
> census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
> assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and
> Event
> and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and
> not a
> Fact or an Event.
>
> My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
> transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence
> of
> Facts and Events.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara]

Good summary Mike. Death is an event (having its own data area), a
funeral is an event, an award ceremony is an event, blue eyes are a
fact, a missing finger is a fact, all of these can be substantiated by
a source (certificate, newspaper article, medical statement, personal
knowledge, etc).  While being in the newspaper for some may seem like
an event or factthe newspaper entry is merely reporting on the
event/fact taking place resulting in the article.  Your 'if it's on
paper it's a source' applies to every application I can think of; I've
used the same rule for years.

Some may choose to enter a census, a newspaper article, or any number
of other 'sources' as events/facts because of the way they appear when
printed or sortedthat's a formatting preferenceand possibly a
limitation of the programbut never-the-less they remain 'sources'.
Gary

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
Portions removed.
> A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
> census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
> assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and 
> Event
> and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and not a
> Fact or an Event.
>
> My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
> transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence of
> Facts and Events.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[William Boswell]

An event, fact or anomaly?  My great grandfather was counted in the 1930 census 
only because his casket and body were lying in the parlor at the time.  He was 
a jokester and nicknamed "Ha Ha" dying on April Fool's Day no less.  I guess 
the joke was on him this time.

I included him for the 1930 census only because it is in the record, but the 
date of the census was taken post death so this is very odd.  In this case, the 
census might be an event for him.  He participated, but never knew it.

This makes me wonder how many people were dead at the time a census was taken.  
This could lead many researchers down empty roads if no obituary or other proof 
could be found because they would think the person was still alive at that time.

---
Bill Boswell


-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

Ron,

Must be our common background, that we agree on so much :-)

I'd question whether the Census had any effect on an ancestor. One or two of
mine (and the wife's) seem to have made it a point of honour, to make it as
difficult as possible, for their descendants to find traces of them. Sue
certainly has a grandfather who disappears about March every 10 years or so. And
no. He wasn't inside. I'm still at a loss to know where he was in 1901! Albert
SHERMAN. Where are you!





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Mike Fry]

Ron,

Must be our common background, that we agree on so much :-)

I'd question whether the Census had any effect on an ancestor. One or two of
mine (and the wife's) seem to have made it a point of honour, to make it as
difficult as possible, for their descendants to find traces of them. Sue
certainly has a grandfather who disappears about March every 10 years or so. And
no. He wasn't inside. I'm still at a loss to know where he was in 1901! Albert
SHERMAN. Where are you!

> Mike,
>
> I very much agree with your interpretation of the differences between an
> Event, Fact and Source, although I am not dogmatic about it! (I'm not
> suggesting that you are BTW.)
>
> Whilst I agree that Residence at a place is a Fact, the act moving into that
> place would be an Event. The Source for the former may be a census and for
> the latter a diary. I do understand why some people say that a census is an
> Event, after all it is something that happened, but I would argue that
> because it was not initiated by, say, an ancestor, nor had any effect on
> that ancestor then it is only a source. The ancestor's only contribution was
> supplying the information - I will not enter the debate as to whether the
> census, or ancestor, is the actual source!
>
> In other words, when it comes to deciding between Events/Facts I
> differentiate between something the ancestor does, and something which
> records what s/he did.
>
> To me though, the  most important thing is to be consistent in one's
> interpretation, otherwise the reader will be confused by what is actually
> intended.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center & resizing

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:49:19 -0500, Kirstin 
wrote:

>I've been struggling with a couple problems for several weeks now.

What is your operating system and where did you install Legacy?

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Ron Ferguson]

Mike,

I very much agree with your interpretation of the differences between an
Event, Fact and Source, although I am not dogmatic about it! (I'm not
suggesting that you are BTW.)

Whilst I agree that Residence at a place is a Fact, the act moving into that
place would be an Event. The Source for the former may be a census and for
the latter a diary. I do understand why some people say that a census is an
Event, after all it is something that happened, but I would argue that
because it was not initiated by, say, an ancestor, nor had any effect on
that ancestor then it is only a source. The ancestor's only contribution was
supplying the information - I will not enter the debate as to whether the
census, or ancestor, is the actual source!

In other words, when it comes to deciding between Events/Facts I
differentiate between something the ancestor does, and something which
records what s/he did.

To me though, the  most important thing is to be consistent in one's
interpretation, otherwise the reader will be confused by what is actually
intended.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:23 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

The recent discussion about whether an Obituary is an event or a source has
prompted me to ask Legacy (and probably the Group) for a better definition
of
what constitutes an Event and what constitutes a Fact.

To me, a Fact is not time-based. You may uncover a Fact (eye-colour) in a
document that has a date on it. But the Fact does not have a date. It has a
Source that has one or more dates associated with it.

An Event is something that happened and which implicitly has a date
associated
with it. Thus, the taking of a Census is an Event, because it happened at a
certain point in time. However, I would not consider Residence to be an
Event
because it generally happens over a much longer period of time. Residence is
a Fact.

Of course, this distinction between Facts and Events is not always as clear
cut
as I have tried make out. People must decide for themselves how they
categorise
pieces of data.

A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and
Event
and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and not
a
Fact or an Event.

It's unfortunate that the program should 'lump' Events and Facts under a
single
heading. This is what leads to the confusion that is often reflected in the
discussions of this group.

My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence of
Facts and Events.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg




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[LegacyUG] Facts, Events and Sources

[Mike Fry]

The recent discussion about whether an Obituary is an event or a source has
prompted me to ask Legacy (and probably the Group) for a better definition of
what constitutes an Event and what constitutes a Fact.

To me, a Fact is not time-based. You may uncover a Fact (eye-colour) in a
document that has a date on it. But the Fact does not have a date. It has a
Source that has one or more dates associated with it.

An Event is something that happened and which implicitly has a date associated
with it. Thus, the taking of a Census is an Event, because it happened at a
certain point in time. However, I would not consider Residence to be an Event
because it generally happens over a much longer period of time. Residence is a 
Fact.

Of course, this distinction between Facts and Events is not always as clear cut
as I have tried make out. People must decide for themselves how they categorise
pieces of data.

A Source is not an Event, but it can be proof of a Fact or an Event e.g. a
census. Generally, a piece of physical evidence is involved. Thus, Rons'
assertion that an image of a Census form is a Source and not a Fact or and Event
and the obvious consequence that an Obituary should also be a Source and not a
Fact or an Event.

It's unfortunate that the program should 'lump' Events and Facts under a single
heading. This is what leads to the confusion that is often reflected in the
discussions of this group.

My general rule of thumb is: if it's a piece of paper (digital images and
transcriptions not withstanding) it's a Source! Sources contain evidence of
Facts and Events.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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