RE: [LegacyUG] adding pictures to a report

2011-05-28 Thread Jan Roberts
You can add as many as you like, but Legacy will only print one picture per 
event.  (Note Marriage pictures don’t print in reports, even though you can add 
them into Legacy – only pictures attached to events will print).  The 
individuals preferred picture will print, plus one picture for each event.  So, 
if you have a picture that you want to print in a report create an event 
related to the picture and attach it to that.  If you just want to create a 
scrapbook of pictures you can include all pictures in that.

Cheers
Jan
From: Beatrice Norrie [mailto:norri...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Saturday, 28 May 2011 14:56
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Subject: [LegacyUG] adding pictures to a report

Hello users ! Is it possible to insert many pictures into any one individual’s 
record, or does Legacy only allow one picture per record? Thank you, Beatrice


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[LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread cranberryfrog
Speaking of pictures...

In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a
photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking
about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been
working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records are
readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death, military,
land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for each type
of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure out
the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your
opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning everything is
rather daunting.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Ron Ferguson
Michele,

Just because one can do something in Legacy, and/or somebody uses a certain
facility, does not mean that we all should adopt that method.

As it happens I do link images to all my sources, but I do not also keep
hard copies. I use this method so that I can rapidly check a census without
having to find a piece of paper when I wish to check a source, and I do not
have shelves of paper files. Others prefer to do both, or like yourself,
just have the paper copy.

At the end of the day it is your choice.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

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From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Speaking of pictures...

In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a
photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking
about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been
working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records are
readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death, military,
land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for each type
of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure out
the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your
opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning everything is
rather daunting.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread cranberryfrog
Thanks, Ron.  I appreciate your thoughts.  If I were to ever do a book I
wouldn't print EVERY document anyway, only selected ones, so I wouldn't need
all of the documents in Legacy for that.  I will continue using Legacy just
as my facts database :)

michele

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Michele,

Just because one can do something in Legacy, and/or somebody uses a certain
facility, does not mean that we all should adopt that method.

As it happens I do link images to all my sources, but I do not also keep
hard copies. I use this method so that I can rapidly check a census without
having to find a piece of paper when I wish to check a source, and I do not
have shelves of paper files. Others prefer to do both, or like yourself,
just have the paper copy.

At the end of the day it is your choice.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/



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RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread BG Johnson
I, like Ron, attach a copy of the source document to each source.  This way 
when I am at a library or otherwise on the road I have access to the document 
even when my files are at home or I don't have access to the internet.  
Sometimes a web site may be taken down and you will be unable to locate the 
source.  There are probably other reasons why it is a good idea to attach these 
documents and have them available with a few clicks of the mouse.

bgj

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Michele,

Just because one can do something in Legacy, and/or somebody uses a certain 
facility, does not mean that we all should adopt that method.

As it happens I do link images to all my sources, but I do not also keep hard 
copies. I use this method so that I can rapidly check a census without having 
to find a piece of paper when I wish to check a source, and I do not have 
shelves of paper files. Others prefer to do both, or like yourself, just have 
the paper copy.

At the end of the day it is your choice.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Speaking of pictures...

In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a photo 
(scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking about this. 
 Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been working in Legacy 
for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records are readily available, I 
just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death, military, land records etc. and I 
keep those in binders (I have a binder for each type of source and then I file 
them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure out the wisdom of scanning 
everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your opinions.  I must say 
thinking about going back and scanning everything is rather daunting.

michele




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RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread William Boswell
Michele:

I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my documents and 
photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are originals or have 
some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.  Even old 
negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and tossed.  
Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black and white 
negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years old.

I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know that 
daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is very 
boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're doing it.

Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of them to 
digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio interviews 
done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were starting to degrade.  
They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.

Bill Boswell

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From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Speaking of pictures...

In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a
photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking
about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been
working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records are
readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death, military,
land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for each type
of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure out
the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your
opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning everything is
rather daunting.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Importing files

2011-05-28 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Sat, 28 May 2011 09:36:17 -0400, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

Is there anyway to move information from 1 file to the other
when you are on that screen like a drag and drop?

Maybe look in the Help file under Drag and drop?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Importing files

2011-05-28 Thread Carl Cox
Is there anyway to move information from 1 file to the other
when you are on that screen like a drag and drop?  I only want to move
selected individuals.

Using the Split View, you can drag and drop easily. There are selections
so you can decide just what to drag and drop.

I have combined many files. The merge process in Legacy is great, and
easy to use. When I have the same people in 2 different files, often
there are differences, and I find if I merge I come out with a combined
product better than either one. Also, if the two are identical, Legacy
will merge them automatically so it goes quickly.

Carl



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Re: [LegacyUG] adding pictures to a report

2011-05-28 Thread Brian/Support
There seem to be two parts to your question. From the subject line you
want to add pictures to a report but in the body you only ask about
adding pictures to a person's record.

As others have said, the reports will only include one picture for the
person and one for each event, if events are allowed in the particular
report.

You can however add multiple pictures to the person, sources, events
etc. if that is your wish, one of those will be marked as the preferred
picture. It will have an asterisk (*) when it is displayed in the photo
gallery for the person, event, source etc. It is this preferred picture
which is included when pictures are included in reports.

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On 28/05/2011 12:56 AM, Beatrice Norrie wrote:
 Hello users ! Is it possible to insert many pictures into any one 
 individual’s record, or does Legacy only allow one picture per record? 
 Thank you, Beatrice


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[LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Dennis Sutton
I added a copy of the marriage certificate to a source detail on my
gggrandmother's page.  However, I have tried everything I can think of
to try to display this in any report.  Any help would be appreciated to
make this happen.
Dennis Sutton


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[LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
Hi

I have two christening records for the same person but with differing
information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing to
their sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the report there
are no numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the text appearing in
the source citation itself so I can't add the text to the text/comments in
the source detail. Wondering if I'm missing something obvious, could someone
point me in the best way to go about this? Many thanks!

Charlotte


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
Hi Dennis,

I presume you mean a transcription of the marriage certificate? If so,
select 'Notes' next to the button 'Marriage Information' on the Family tab.
You can add it there. Next, under Report Options go to the tab 'Include' and
make sure you have 'Notes/general' checked.

On 28 May 2011 15:36, Dennis Sutton jersey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I added a copy of the marriage certificate to a source detail on my
 gggrandmother's page.  However, I have tried everything I can think of
 to try to display this in any report.  Any help would be appreciated to
 make this happen.
 Dennis Sutton


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Re: [LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread Ron Ferguson
Charlotte,

I think that you will find that you need to create 2 christening events. The 
first is, of course one of the defaults, so attach the first to that event and 
then use the Alt Christening Event for the second (if there isn’t one then just 
add it) and attach the source to that one.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: Charlotte Box
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:10 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG]

Hi

I have two christening records for the same person but with differing 
information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing to their 
sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the report there are no 
numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the text appearing in the source 
citation itself so I can't add the text to the text/comments in the source 
detail. Wondering if I'm missing something obvious, could someone point me in 
the best way to go about this? Many thanks!

Charlotte


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Re: [LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 28/05/2011 16:10, Charlotte Box wrote:
 I have two christening records for the same person but with differing
 information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing
 to their sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the
 report there are no numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the
 text appearing in the source citation itself so I can't add the text to
 the text/comments in the source detail. Wondering if I'm missing
 something obvious, could someone point me in the best way to go about
 this? Many thanks!

As far as I can see, Legacy doesn't print the Source citations for
Birth, Baptism, or Death Notes, although it does for Marriage Notes.
Not sure if this is a bug or a design feature!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 28/05/2011 16:24, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 Look in Report Options and select the Include tab.

Sorry for confusion - I meant select the Sources tab.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Dennis Sutton
Jenny,

That was it.  I had the if any event has multiple citations ...
checked.  I unchecked and selected the source pictures and it worked.
Knew there had to be an easy solution.  Thanks.

Dennis

On 5/28/2011 11:24 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 28/05/2011 15:36, Dennis Sutton wrote:
 I added a copy of the marriage certificate to a source detail on my
 gggrandmother's page.  However, I have tried everything I can think of
 to try to display this in any report.  Any help would be appreciated to
 make this happen.
 Look in Report Options and select the Include tab.  Make sure you have
 selected Print Source Citations and have NOT selected If an event had
 multiple citations, combine them into one paragraph.  Now look to the
 right side of the same tab and select Include master source pictures
 and/or Include detail source pictures, whichever option is appropriate.



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Re: [LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread Kathy Meyer
With any conflicting information, you add an 'event' for 'alt. birth' or
'alt. christening' or 'alt. death', etc.  If you use the one that is already
shown in the drop down list of events (rather than creating your own, which
you can), once you have added the alternate information, if you decide the
alternate is more accurate than your original, you can click on 'options'
to the right of the event box (have your event highlighted) and click on the
option to 'swap with birth [or death, etc]' and then the less accurate
information will move down as the 'alt. event'  I have no idea about how the
text shows up in reports though.  You can source this the same way you
source any other information.

Geoff did two webinars recently that would be a huge help to you.  The first
was on a death record and the 2nd on marriage records.  I would watch the
first one because there were a few things on there that weren't covered in
the 2nd that you might be interested in (I know I was) and then much of the
2nd webinar will be repeated but it's good because you see how those tools
are used for multiple purposes in Legacy and you will see different screens
and of course some new information too :-)

Hope this helps. I am not the most advanced user and I have been very
grateful for others' help on this list. Just this week they answered two or
three problems for me!  Kathy

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Charlotte Box 
charlotte.e@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I have two christening records for the same person but with differing
 information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing to
 their sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the report there
 are no numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the text appearing in
 the source citation itself so I can't add the text to the text/comments in
 the source detail. Wondering if I'm missing something obvious, could someone
 point me in the best way to go about this? Many thanks!

 Charlotte


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Re: [LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
Thanks all! I haven't seen the marriage webinar, I watched the death
cerificate webinar but things were hectic so didn't get to take it all in so
looks like I need to watch them both!

On 28 May 2011 16:41, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote:

 With any conflicting information, you add an 'event' for 'alt. birth' or
 'alt. christening' or 'alt. death', etc.  If you use the one that is already
 shown in the drop down list of events (rather than creating your own, which
 you can), once you have added the alternate information, if you decide the
 alternate is more accurate than your original, you can click on 'options'
 to the right of the event box (have your event highlighted) and click on the
 option to 'swap with birth [or death, etc]' and then the less accurate
 information will move down as the 'alt. event'  I have no idea about how the
 text shows up in reports though.  You can source this the same way you
 source any other information.

 Geoff did two webinars recently that would be a huge help to you.  The
 first was on a death record and the 2nd on marriage records.  I would watch
 the first one because there were a few things on there that weren't covered
 in the 2nd that you might be interested in (I know I was) and then much of
 the 2nd webinar will be repeated but it's good because you see how those
 tools are used for multiple purposes in Legacy and you will see different
 screens and of course some new information too :-)

 Hope this helps. I am not the most advanced user and I have been very
 grateful for others' help on this list. Just this week they answered two or
 three problems for me!  Kathy

 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Charlotte Box 
 charlotte.e@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi


 I have two christening records for the same person but with differing
 information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing to
 their sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the report there
 are no numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the text appearing in
 the source citation itself so I can't add the text to the text/comments in
 the source detail. Wondering if I'm missing something obvious, could someone
 point me in the best way to go about this? Many thanks!

 Charlotte



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Dennis Sutton
Charlotte

No its a copy of the marriage record.  I scanned and saved it as
.jpg file into the Pictures folder under Legacy.  I then selected it, as
Geoff showed in his webinar the other day.  However, other than having a
pretty picture in my database I have no way of displaying it.

Dennis

On 5/28/2011 11:18 AM, Charlotte Box wrote:
 Hi Dennis,

 I presume you mean a transcription of the marriage certificate? If so,
 select 'Notes' next to the button 'Marriage Information' on the Family
 tab. You can add it there. Next, under Report Options go to the tab
 'Include' and make sure you have 'Notes/general' checked.

 On 28 May 2011 15:36, Dennis Sutton jersey...@bellsouth.net
 mailto:jersey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I added a copy of the marriage certificate to a source detail on my
 gggrandmother's page.  However, I have tried everything I can think of
 to try to display this in any report.  Any help would be
 appreciated to
 make this happen.
 Dennis Sutton


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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread James Cook
I've been working on this hobby seriously for about 1 1/2 years now.
At the time, I read about organization, and most of the articles I
found were how to keep binders.  This is the computer age, and I'm a
computer guy, so took some ideas from the binder based articles, but
scan and organize all my stuff electronically on my computer.

I find the thing I like best about it is that if somebody asks me for
something, I can just email them the document.
However, I user dropbox too, and as others have said, having
everything electronically scanned in allows me to access it no matter
where I'm at via another computer or even my phone.

I do keep any paper copies I collect, and have been wondering about
the value of adding a paper based system as well.  I've not convinced
myself there is enough value in doing that so I've not done it.


On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Michele:

 I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my documents and 
 photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are originals or 
 have some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.  Even old 
 negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and tossed.  
 Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black and white 
 negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years old.

 I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know that 
 daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is very 
 boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're doing 
 it.

 Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of them 
 to digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio 
 interviews done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were starting 
 to degrade.  They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.

 Bill Boswell

 -Original Message-
 From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

 Speaking of pictures...

 In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a
 photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking
 about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been
 working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records are
 readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death, military,
 land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for each type
 of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure out
 the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your
 opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning everything is
 rather daunting.

 michele



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Re: [LegacyUG]

2011-05-28 Thread James Cook
Never noticed that some notes didn't get sourced.  Will have to look
into that myself.  At any rate, I use an MLA trick with my notes where
I add my own notations to vairous paragraphs. At the end of para #1
[Jones] and para #2 [Smith] or something like that.

That way each bit of info. is sourced accordingly.



On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Charlotte Box
charlotte.e@googlemail.com wrote:
 Thanks all! I haven't seen the marriage webinar, I watched the death
 cerificate webinar but things were hectic so didn't get to take it all in so
 looks like I need to watch them both!

 On 28 May 2011 16:41, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote:

 With any conflicting information, you add an 'event' for 'alt. birth' or
 'alt. christening' or 'alt. death', etc.  If you use the one that is already
 shown in the drop down list of events (rather than creating your own, which
 you can), once you have added the alternate information, if you decide the
 alternate is more accurate than your original, you can click on 'options'
 to the right of the event box (have your event highlighted) and click on the
 option to 'swap with birth [or death, etc]' and then the less accurate
 information will move down as the 'alt. event'  I have no idea about how the
 text shows up in reports though.  You can source this the same way you
 source any other information.

 Geoff did two webinars recently that would be a huge help to you.  The
 first was on a death record and the 2nd on marriage records.  I would watch
 the first one because there were a few things on there that weren't covered
 in the 2nd that you might be interested in (I know I was) and then much of
 the 2nd webinar will be repeated but it's good because you see how those
 tools are used for multiple purposes in Legacy and you will see different
 screens and of course some new information too :-)

 Hope this helps. I am not the most advanced user and I have been very
 grateful for others' help on this list. Just this week they answered two or
 three problems for me!  Kathy

 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Charlotte Box
 charlotte.e@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I have two christening records for the same person but with differing
 information. I want to include the text from both on a report pointing to
 their sources. I added them to the christening notes but on the report there
 are no numbers indicating their sources. I don't want the text appearing in
 the source citation itself so I can't add the text to the text/comments in
 the source detail. Wondering if I'm missing something obvious, could someone
 point me in the best way to go about this? Many thanks!

 Charlotte


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
I'm glad you mentioned that though Dennis - I haven't added any media files
yet so I have all that to come!

On 28 May 2011 16:30, Dennis Sutton jersey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  Charlotte

    No its a copy of the marriage record.  I scanned and saved it as .jpg
 file into the Pictures folder under Legacy.  I then selected it, as Geoff
 showed in his webinar the other day.  However, other than having a pretty
 picture in my database I have no way of displaying it.

 Dennis


 On 5/28/2011 11:18 AM, Charlotte Box wrote:

 Hi Dennis,

 I presume you mean a transcription of the marriage certificate? If so,
 select 'Notes' next to the button 'Marriage Information' on the Family tab.
 You can add it there. Next, under Report Options go to the tab 'Include' and
 make sure you have 'Notes/general' checked.

 On 28 May 2011 15:36, Dennis Sutton jersey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I added a copy of the marriage certificate to a source detail on my
 gggrandmother's page. Â However, I have tried everything I can think of
 to try to display this in any report. Â Any help would be appreciated to

 make this happen.
 Dennis Sutton


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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
I agree with you James. There doesn't seem any real justification for
keeping paper documents when it's not eco-friendly to use all that paper and
most things now can be stored digitally, unless of course they're originals
but even these can be scanned. Just in case anyone wasn't aware, as I recall
in one of the recent webinar's it was recommended they be saved as .tif's at
600dpi, 100% scale to preserve the integrity of images they need to be
stored. I thought that was a really good tip.


On 28 May 2011 17:48, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been working on this hobby seriously for about 1 1/2 years now.
 At the time, I read about organization, and most of the articles I
 found were how to keep binders.  This is the computer age, and I'm a
 computer guy, so took some ideas from the binder based articles, but
 scan and organize all my stuff electronically on my computer.

 I find the thing I like best about it is that if somebody asks me for
 something, I can just email them the document.
 However, I user dropbox too, and as others have said, having
 everything electronically scanned in allows me to access it no matter
 where I'm at via another computer or even my phone.

 I do keep any paper copies I collect, and have been wondering about
 the value of adding a paper based system as well.  I've not convinced
 myself there is enough value in doing that so I've not done it.


 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Michele:
 
  I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my documents
 and photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are originals
 or have some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.  Even
 old negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and
 tossed.  Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black and
 white negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years old.
 
  I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know that
 daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is very
 boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're doing
 it.
 
  Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of
 them to digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio
 interviews done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were starting
 to degrade.  They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.
 
  Bill Boswell
 
  -Original Message-
  From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures
 
  Speaking of pictures...
 
  In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he attaches a
  photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been thinking
  about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have been
  working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records
 are
  readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death,
 military,
  land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for each
 type
  of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure
 out
  the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear your
  opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning everything
 is
  rather daunting.
 
  michele
 
 
 
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[LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

2011-05-28 Thread cranberryfrog
The drag and drop is going well!  The only think I wish is that you could drag 
them into their relationship instead of having to drag them and then attach 
them to the right people (it would save a step) but other than that, this is 
saving me a lot of time.  Thanks everyone.
michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread John Carter
Unless you and your descendants continuously stay current with changes in
digital storage technology, your digital data will eventually become
inaccessible.

Once upon a time, the 8 floppy disk was the commercial standard for
digital storage and backup.  Do you know anyone who has the equipment to
read an 8 floppy disk?  Or even a 5 1/4 floppy disk?

Eco-friendly is fine (my recycle bin contains more than my garbage bin),
but some of the family history I've collected is too valuable to entrust
solely to a medium that is guaranteed to become obsolete - it's just not
possible to re-interview someone who died 10 years ago.

For that reason, I keep all paper originals.  Every couple of years, I
print appropriate multi-generation documents to have a human-readable copy
of the data.  (two family lines, 11 generations back in some places)

John


 I agree with you James. There doesn't seem any real justification for
 keeping paper documents when it's not eco-friendly to use all that paper
 and
 most things now can be stored digitally, unless of course they're
 originals
 but even these can be scanned. Just in case anyone wasn't aware, as I
 recall
 in one of the recent webinar's it was recommended they be saved as .tif's
 at
 600dpi, 100% scale to preserve the integrity of images they need to be
 stored. I thought that was a really good tip.


 On 28 May 2011 17:48, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been working on this hobby seriously for about 1 1/2 years now.
 At the time, I read about organization, and most of the articles I
 found were how to keep binders.  This is the computer age, and I'm a
 computer guy, so took some ideas from the binder based articles, but
 scan and organize all my stuff electronically on my computer.

 I find the thing I like best about it is that if somebody asks me for
 something, I can just email them the document.
 However, I user dropbox too, and as others have said, having
 everything electronically scanned in allows me to access it no matter
 where I'm at via another computer or even my phone.

 I do keep any paper copies I collect, and have been wondering about
 the value of adding a paper based system as well.  I've not convinced
 myself there is enough value in doing that so I've not done it.


 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Michele:
 
  I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my
 documents
 and photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are
 originals
 or have some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.
 Even
 old negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and
 tossed.  Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black
 and
 white negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years
 old.
 
  I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know
 that
 daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is
 very
 boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're
 doing
 it.
 
  Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of
 them to digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio
 interviews done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were
 starting
 to degrade.  They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.
 
  Bill Boswell
 
  -Original Message-
  From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures
 
  Speaking of pictures...
 
  In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he
 attaches a
  photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been
 thinking
  about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have
 been
  working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records
 are
  readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death,
 military,
  land records etc. and I keep those in binders (I have a binder for
 each
 type
  of source and then I file them alphabetically).  I am trying to figure
 out
  the wisdom of scanning everything into Legacy.  I would love to hear
 your
  opinions.  I must say thinking about going back and scanning
 everything
 is
  rather daunting.
 
  michele
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
And when documents are that valuable, it is important they are handled as
little as possible. You may have only one original, but once they are
digitised they can be viewed time and time again. Hence why most
repositories are trying to digitise as much as possible. It's almost
impossible for the storage of data  images digitally to become obsolete
because there will always be the means of storing them and it can only
improve. It's all in bits and bytes so it's easy to transfer into storage,
what medium it's stored on is irrelevant because it can be changed easily
and moved from one to the other. This is why large businesses spend vast
sums of money storing digital copies often in different locations, if they
had a fire it could potentially mean the loss of the business.

On 28 May 2011 19:28, John Carter a...@wizardanswers.com wrote:

 Unless you and your descendants continuously stay current with changes in
 digital storage technology, your digital data will eventually become
 inaccessible.

 Once upon a time, the 8 floppy disk was the commercial standard for
 digital storage and backup.  Do you know anyone who has the equipment to
 read an 8 floppy disk?  Or even a 5 1/4 floppy disk?

 Eco-friendly is fine (my recycle bin contains more than my garbage bin),
 but some of the family history I've collected is too valuable to entrust
 solely to a medium that is guaranteed to become obsolete - it's just not
 possible to re-interview someone who died 10 years ago.

 For that reason, I keep all paper originals.  Every couple of years, I
 print appropriate multi-generation documents to have a human-readable copy
 of the data.  (two family lines, 11 generations back in some places)

 John


  I agree with you James. There doesn't seem any real justification for
  keeping paper documents when it's not eco-friendly to use all that paper
  and
  most things now can be stored digitally, unless of course they're
  originals
  but even these can be scanned. Just in case anyone wasn't aware, as I
  recall
  in one of the recent webinar's it was recommended they be saved as .tif's
  at
  600dpi, 100% scale to preserve the integrity of images they need to be
  stored. I thought that was a really good tip.
 
 
  On 28 May 2011 17:48, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've been working on this hobby seriously for about 1 1/2 years now.
  At the time, I read about organization, and most of the articles I
  found were how to keep binders.  This is the computer age, and I'm a
  computer guy, so took some ideas from the binder based articles, but
  scan and organize all my stuff electronically on my computer.
 
  I find the thing I like best about it is that if somebody asks me for
  something, I can just email them the document.
  However, I user dropbox too, and as others have said, having
  everything electronically scanned in allows me to access it no matter
  where I'm at via another computer or even my phone.
 
  I do keep any paper copies I collect, and have been wondering about
  the value of adding a paper based system as well.  I've not convinced
  myself there is enough value in doing that so I've not done it.
 
 
  On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Michele:
  
   I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my
  documents
  and photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are
  originals
  or have some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.
  Even
  old negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and
  tossed.  Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black
  and
  white negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years
  old.
  
   I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know
  that
  daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is
  very
  boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're
  doing
  it.
  
   Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of
  them to digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio
  interviews done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were
  starting
  to degrade.  They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.
  
   Bill Boswell
  
   -Original Message-
   From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures
  
   Speaking of pictures...
  
   In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he
  attaches a
   photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been
  thinking
   about this.  Right now I don't have any scans in my file and I have
  been
   working in Legacy for 6 years (FTM before that).  Since census records
  are
   readily available, I just cite them.  I do copy marriage, death,
  military,
   land records etc. and I keep those in 

RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Paul Gray
John,

While I agree that digital technologies do become obsolete, I don't see paper 
as a particularly good alternative either. Paper deteriorates, inks fade. And, 
fire and flood is all too common.

I attended a Dick Eastman presentation, and his advice was 'multiple copies, 
multiple media types, multiple locations. That is the only way to protect 
yourself from the failure of any one backup.

Digital media do become obsolete, absolutely. One needs to periodically copy 
data from old media to new media, one to keep up with technology and simply to 
ensure that the original media is still readable. And, even new hard drives, 
DVD's, USB sticks, and whatever is coming in the future will fail. Hence, 
multiple copies.

I keep data on my hard drive, backup to USB and DVD held at my home frequently, 
use Dropbox for on-line backup, and periodically take DVD backups to friends 
and family that live far away.

Certainly, paper can be one of those multiple backups, but I'm not sure it's 
the most secure.

Paul





-Original Message-
From: John Carter [mailto:a...@wizardanswers.com]
Sent: May-28-11 12:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Unless you and your descendants continuously stay current with changes in
digital storage technology, your digital data will eventually become
inaccessible.

Once upon a time, the 8 floppy disk was the commercial standard for
digital storage and backup.  Do you know anyone who has the equipment to
read an 8 floppy disk?  Or even a 5 1/4 floppy disk?

Eco-friendly is fine (my recycle bin contains more than my garbage bin),
but some of the family history I've collected is too valuable to entrust
solely to a medium that is guaranteed to become obsolete - it's just not
possible to re-interview someone who died 10 years ago.

For that reason, I keep all paper originals.  Every couple of years, I
print appropriate multi-generation documents to have a human-readable copy
of the data.  (two family lines, 11 generations back in some places)

John


 I agree with you James. There doesn't seem any real justification for
 keeping paper documents when it's not eco-friendly to use all that paper
 and
 most things now can be stored digitally, unless of course they're
 originals
 but even these can be scanned. Just in case anyone wasn't aware, as I
 recall
 in one of the recent webinar's it was recommended they be saved as .tif's
 at
 600dpi, 100% scale to preserve the integrity of images they need to be
 stored. I thought that was a really good tip.


 On 28 May 2011 17:48, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been working on this hobby seriously for about 1 1/2 years now.
 At the time, I read about organization, and most of the articles I
 found were how to keep binders.  This is the computer age, and I'm a
 computer guy, so took some ideas from the binder based articles, but
 scan and organize all my stuff electronically on my computer.

 I find the thing I like best about it is that if somebody asks me for
 something, I can just email them the document.
 However, I user dropbox too, and as others have said, having
 everything electronically scanned in allows me to access it no matter
 where I'm at via another computer or even my phone.

 I do keep any paper copies I collect, and have been wondering about
 the value of adding a paper based system as well.  I've not convinced
 myself there is enough value in doing that so I've not done it.


 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Michele:
 
  I understand the daunting feeling.  That's why I scanned all my
 documents
 and photos years ago.  I keep very few documents unless they are
 originals
 or have some historic value.  All copies get scanned then tossed out.
 Even
 old negatives and photographs are scanned at the highest resolution and
 tossed.  Negatives, especially color, do not hold up very long.  Black
 and
 white negatives seem to last forever even ones that are about 100 years
 old.
 
  I still have several hundred negatives that need scanning so I know
 that
 daunting feeling because I keep putting it off.  Scanning negatives is
 very
 boring and time consuming because you can't do much else while you're
 doing
 it.
 
  Also, if you have any old audio recordings I suggest converting all of
 them to digital.  I did that for a collection of about 50 hours of audio
 interviews done back in the 1970's and noticed that the tapes were
 starting
 to degrade.  They lasted nearly 30 years so I guess I can't complain.
 
  Bill Boswell
 
  -Original Message-
  From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:52 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures
 
  Speaking of pictures...
 
  In the Marriage Record Webinar, Geoff pretty much said that he
 attaches a
  photo (scan of a document) to every source he does.  I have been
 thinking
  

RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread William Boswell
I remember those 8 floppies as well as tape-based formats.  Paper also has 
issues as well.  It tends to fade over the years and is easier to destroy.  If 
I had a choice between the two I'd take digital.

I used to received fax transmissions from a cemetery for burial information, 
but unfortunately I only had a thermal paper fax machine.  I copied these to 
Xerox paper and was glad I did because the original thermal paper copies faded 
so badly within the first year I couldn't read them anymore.  Regular copy 
paper will last much longer, but it also burns or can be destroyed much easier 
than electronic copies.

I move too much so having to move many boxes of paper just wasn't economical 
anymore.  I scanned my genealogy reference books too (marriage records) and 
threw out the books.  I digitize everything only because it takes up a lot less 
space than all that paper.

I wish I could keep all the paper copies, but nobody in my direct family is 
interested in genealogy and it would just end up in the garbage anyway.  My 
distant lines have most of my digital copies so hopefully it will live on.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: John Carter [mailto:a...@wizardanswers.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

Unless you and your descendants continuously stay current with changes in
digital storage technology, your digital data will eventually become
inaccessible.

Once upon a time, the 8 floppy disk was the commercial standard for
digital storage and backup.  Do you know anyone who has the equipment to
read an 8 floppy disk?  Or even a 5 1/4 floppy disk?

Eco-friendly is fine (my recycle bin contains more than my garbage bin),
but some of the family history I've collected is too valuable to entrust
solely to a medium that is guaranteed to become obsolete - it's just not
possible to re-interview someone who died 10 years ago.

For that reason, I keep all paper originals.  Every couple of years, I
print appropriate multi-generation documents to have a human-readable copy
of the data.  (two family lines, 11 generations back in some places)

John




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RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread William Boswell
There has to be someone in the family that will continue to preserve the 
information we have compiled through the years.  I have data from the 1980's 
that started out on 5 1/4 diskettes up to current times and if I hadn't 
preserved them by upgrading their formats it would be gone for good.  Some 
originally came from paper that I had to retype because PC's didn't exist them 
(1970's).  In that sense paper was the best media for that time.

What about old 8mm and 16mm films?  Try to get them converted these days.  I 
have a bunch of them deteriorating.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

John,

While I agree that digital technologies do become obsolete, I don't see paper 
as a particularly good alternative either. Paper deteriorates, inks fade. And, 
fire and flood is all too common.

I attended a Dick Eastman presentation, and his advice was 'multiple copies, 
multiple media types, multiple locations. That is the only way to protect 
yourself from the failure of any one backup.

Digital media do become obsolete, absolutely. One needs to periodically copy 
data from old media to new media, one to keep up with technology and simply to 
ensure that the original media is still readable. And, even new hard drives, 
DVD's, USB sticks, and whatever is coming in the future will fail. Hence, 
multiple copies.

I keep data on my hard drive, backup to USB and DVD held at my home frequently, 
use Dropbox for on-line backup, and periodically take DVD backups to friends 
and family that live far away.

Certainly, paper can be one of those multiple backups, but I'm not sure it's 
the most secure.

Paul




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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Charlotte Box
It's interesting Bill you mentioning about family members probably throwing
stuff in the garbage. I had some distant family members that literally threw
an entire collection of photo's on a bonfire because they weren't remembered
in a will!! Horrifying!

Charlotte

On 28 May 2011 21:08, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:

 There has to be someone in the family that will continue to preserve the
 information we have compiled through the years.  I have data from the 1980's
 that started out on 5 1/4 diskettes up to current times and if I hadn't
 preserved them by upgrading their formats it would be gone for good.  Some
 originally came from paper that I had to retype because PC's didn't exist
 them (1970's).  In that sense paper was the best media for that time.

 What about old 8mm and 16mm films?  Try to get them converted these days.
  I have a bunch of them deteriorating.

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net]
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:16 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

 John,

 While I agree that digital technologies do become obsolete, I don't see
 paper as a particularly good alternative either. Paper deteriorates, inks
 fade. And, fire and flood is all too common.

 I attended a Dick Eastman presentation, and his advice was 'multiple
 copies, multiple media types, multiple locations. That is the only way to
 protect yourself from the failure of any one backup.

 Digital media do become obsolete, absolutely. One needs to periodically
 copy data from old media to new media, one to keep up with technology and
 simply to ensure that the original media is still readable. And, even new
 hard drives, DVD's, USB sticks, and whatever is coming in the future will
 fail. Hence, multiple copies.

 I keep data on my hard drive, backup to USB and DVD held at my home
 frequently, use Dropbox for on-line backup, and periodically take DVD
 backups to friends and family that live far away.

 Certainly, paper can be one of those multiple backups, but I'm not sure
 it's the most secure.

 Paul




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Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Kathy Meyer
How interesting all of these opinions are!  I am spending today going
through my digital files on my computer, in my dropbox and on my most recent
external backup hard drive.  I don't have an automatic backup that
automatically saves any changes or additions that I make to my hard drive so
this is something I have to do every once in awhile to make sure I have
everything saved in the 'right place'.

I know how to organize, backup, copy files and all of that but being as
human as I am, I sometimes mess up (imagine that!)  For instance, if I am
saving something I've scanned, my scanning software automatically saves it
to the last place that I used unless I change the settings.  If I'm not
paying attention, I could go crazy in a couple of months trying to find it
and 'knowing that I scanned that!'.

Mostly though, it's because I want all of my family history information
backed up in multiple places and I want it to be consistent in all of those
places.  Since I do not have software to automatically backup only the
changes, I go through them manually.  I don't mind much because I find this
will bring things to my attention and I'll write notes to myself to take
care of this and that.

I'm doing this now with the intent of getting all of my images and documents
added to my Legacy file but I know they all need to be in a good,
understandable order so that I can always file them that way and so Legacy
will always be able to find those images.  If my computer crashes, my
dropbox and external hard drive backup would be in the exact same order,
which would help Legacy to find those new files in those new places.

So this is bringing my mind to all of the things that can go wrong (that I
can do wrong) with my filing system.  It also makes me think about how
someone else would be able to follow my research should I not be able to do
it any longer (or as I pass it down to future generations)  It makes me
uncomfortable to store all of the research only in a digital way, although
my plan is to scan everything that is in my paper files and source them,
etc; the stuff that I didn't do way back in the beginning :-)

I'm not ready to recycle all of that 'paper research' and I still print out
plenty of stuff because I make notes on it, like transcriptions or
explanations and source information.  I type all of that into Legacy from
the paper copy.  Why throw it away once it's digitized?  At least if I have
a question, I can go back to the printed copy.  I will love it when I
eventually go all digital and can feel comfortable with that.  For now, I
still like to look at a paper copy for certain things.  I know when
technology changes, we should all take our old stuff and move it to the new
format but not everybody will do that or has the means.  Paper copies, like
printed photographs, can be viewed and enjoyed by anyone whether they have
the newest technology or not, or even if they have no computer at all.

I'm not arguing or criticizing, just thought I'd try to explain why I can't
give up my paper yet :-)  I'm envious of all of you who have gone completely
digital and love it.  Kathy

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.comwrote:

 There has to be someone in the family that will continue to preserve the
 information we have compiled through the years.  I have data from the 1980's
 that started out on 5 1/4 diskettes up to current times and if I hadn't
 preserved them by upgrading their formats it would be gone for good.  Some
 originally came from paper that I had to retype because PC's didn't exist
 them (1970's).  In that sense paper was the best media for that time.

 What about old 8mm and 16mm films?  Try to get them converted these days.
  I have a bunch of them deteriorating.

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net]
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:16 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

 John,

 While I agree that digital technologies do become obsolete, I don't see
 paper as a particularly good alternative either. Paper deteriorates, inks
 fade. And, fire and flood is all too common.

 I attended a Dick Eastman presentation, and his advice was 'multiple
 copies, multiple media types, multiple locations. That is the only way to
 protect yourself from the failure of any one backup.

 Digital media do become obsolete, absolutely. One needs to periodically
 copy data from old media to new media, one to keep up with technology and
 simply to ensure that the original media is still readable. And, even new
 hard drives, DVD's, USB sticks, and whatever is coming in the future will
 fail. Hence, multiple copies.

 I keep data on my hard drive, backup to USB and DVD held at my home
 frequently, use Dropbox for on-line backup, and periodically take DVD
 backups to friends and family that live far away.

 Certainly, paper can be one of those multiple backups, but I'm not sure
 it's the most secure.

 Paul




  Legacy 

Re: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

2011-05-28 Thread my genealogy email
Michele,
What do you mean by “drag them into their relationship”? If you have the same 
person in both files then when you drag him to the other file you should get a 
merge  screen so you can merge the info you want to the new file and he should 
be where you want him.
Russ

From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:21 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

The drag and drop is going well!  The only think I wish is that you could drag 
them into their relationship instead of having to drag them and then attach 
them to the right people (it would save a step) but other than that, this is 
saving me a lot of time.  Thanks everyone.
michele

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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Jan Roberts
As Jenny Benson said :
Look in Report Options and select the Sources tab.  Make sure you have selected 
Print Source Citations and have NOT selected If an event had multiple 
citations, combine them into one paragraph.  Now look to the right side of the 
same tab and select Include master source pictures
and/or Include detail source pictures, whichever option is appropriate.

Cheers
Jan

From: Dennis Sutton [mailto:jersey...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, 29 May 2011 1:30
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

Charlotte

   No its a copy of the marriage record.  I scanned and saved it as .jpg 
file into the Pictures folder under Legacy.  I then selected it, as Geoff 
showed in his webinar the other day.  However, other than having a pretty 
picture in my database I have no way of displaying it.

Dennis





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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Jan Roberts
Sorry for repeating Jenny's instructions - I gathered from this message that 
you were still having problems.  But I now see from another message that you 
had indeed solved it.

Cheers
Jan
From: Dennis Sutton [mailto:jersey...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, 29 May 2011 1:30
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

Charlotte

   No its a copy of the marriage record.  I scanned and saved it as .jpg 
file into the Pictures folder under Legacy.  I then selected it, as Geoff 
showed in his webinar the other day.  However, other than having a pretty 
picture in my database I have no way of displaying it.

Dennis





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[LegacyUG] Preserving files (was: Speaking of pictures‏)

2011-05-28 Thread John S. Adams

I've given a lot of thought to long term preservation of my genealogy files 
[recorded with Legacy, in order to keep this On Topic] given the rapid 
obsolescence of digital media.  What if I store my files on the currently most 
advanced medium and I place it in a secure place, e.g. a bank safe deposit box, 
and tomorrow I get obliterated by a Hellfire missile?  My heirs, not otherwise 
knowing what to do with the contents of my safe deposit box, store everything 
in a trunk in the attic.  Fifty years from now, an as yet unborn descendant 
discovers these strange, shiny discs and thinking they make wonderful 
conversation pieces, uses them for drink coasters for his guests.  I think the 
only way to ensure that your files are readable in the distant future is to 
print them on old fashioned paper even if they are at risk from fire, flood or 
tornado.
As to the question of what to do with your files if your immediate relatives 
haven't yet been infected by the genie bug, you could always donate them to 
your local genealogical society or one in an area where your ancestors lived.  
They may be useful to someone researching in those areas.  And keep in mind 
that your grandchildren who now roll their eyes at any mention of our 
Hepplefinger line from Transylvania, may someday be saying, I wish I'd asked 
Grandpa that when he was alive; he knew all about our ancestors.  For now I've 
tried to identify any younger relatives in my major lines who have expressed 
any interest in genealogy--my son-in-law, my wife's nephew, my cousin's 
granddaughter, etc.--and intend to provide them with my files of their 
respective branches.
Having said all that, to date I have neither printed everything on paper or 
distributed files to the younger relatives.  Plenty of time for that.  I may 
live forever if that missile misfires.

John S. AdamsHermosa Beach, CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

2011-05-28 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/05/29 01:26, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

 I am not getting a merge screen I drag the patient over and I get a box
 that asks me if I want to include their ancestors/spouses/descendants etc.
 After I save the person then I have to link them.

If you have the same person, from each file, in both halves of the window, you
can drag one and drop it on the other. Then you'll be able to merge.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

2011-05-28 Thread Patricia Gault
I'm glad you repeated it.  It took me twice reading it to figure it out.

Patty

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
 Sorry for repeating Jenny's instructions - I gathered from this message that 
 you were still having problems.  But I now see from another message that you 
 had indeed solved it.

 Cheers
 Jan
 From: Dennis Sutton [mailto:jersey...@bellsouth.net]
 Sent: Sunday, 29 May 2011 1:30
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Pictures

 Charlotte

    No its a copy of the marriage record.  I scanned and saved it as .jpg 
 file into the Pictures folder under Legacy.  I then selected it, as Geoff 
 showed in his webinar the other day.  However, other than having a pretty 
 picture in my database I have no way of displaying it.

 Dennis





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Re: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

2011-05-28 Thread my genealogy email
What answer do you pick when that screen asks?
Russ

From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

I am not getting a merge screen

I drag the patient over and I get a box that asks me if I want to include their 
ancestors/spouses/descendants etc.  After I save the person then I have to link 
them.

michele




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RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures

2011-05-28 Thread William Boswell
You wouldn’t believe the system I have for digital photographs.  I use a 
numbering system because I have several thousand images and use a spreadsheet 
to list them all.  Names just didn’t work for me and numbers keep the file name 
short.



Without the spreadsheet, nobody would know what it is, where it is, or who’s in 
it.  Not all of them are people pictures, but at least if there’s a date or 
name to go with it I have it in there.  I wish my ancestors had been that 
meticulous with just a pen or pencil on the back of some of them.



I’m a fanatic about accuracy and organization.  I think it comes from growing 
up with insane and/or disorganized family members.



From: Kathy Meyer [mailto:kmeyer2...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of pictures



How interesting all of these opinions are!  I am spending today going through 
my digital files on my computer, in my dropbox and on my most recent external 
backup hard drive.  I don't have an automatic backup that automatically saves 
any changes or additions that I make to my hard drive so this is something I 
have to do every once in awhile to make sure I have everything saved in the 
'right place'.



I know how to organize, backup, copy files and all of that but being as human 
as I am, I sometimes mess up (imagine that!)  For instance, if I am saving 
something I've scanned, my scanning software automatically saves it to the last 
place that I used unless I change the settings.  If I'm not paying attention, I 
could go crazy in a couple of months trying to find it and 'knowing that I 
scanned that!'.



Mostly though, it's because I want all of my family history information backed 
up in multiple places and I want it to be consistent in all of those places.  
Since I do not have software to automatically backup only the changes, I go 
through them manually.  I don't mind much because I find this will bring things 
to my attention and I'll write notes to myself to take care of this and that.



I'm doing this now with the intent of getting all of my images and documents 
added to my Legacy file but I know they all need to be in a good, 
understandable order so that I can always file them that way and so Legacy will 
always be able to find those images.  If my computer crashes, my dropbox and 
external hard drive backup would be in the exact same order, which would help 
Legacy to find those new files in those new places.



So this is bringing my mind to all of the things that can go wrong (that I can 
do wrong) with my filing system.  It also makes me think about how someone else 
would be able to follow my research should I not be able to do it any longer 
(or as I pass it down to future generations)  It makes me uncomfortable to 
store all of the research only in a digital way, although my plan is to scan 
everything that is in my paper files and source them, etc; the stuff that I 
didn't do way back in the beginning :-)



I'm not ready to recycle all of that 'paper research' and I still print out 
plenty of stuff because I make notes on it, like transcriptions or explanations 
and source information.  I type all of that into Legacy from the paper copy.  
Why throw it away once it's digitized?  At least if I have a question, I can go 
back to the printed copy.  I will love it when I eventually go all digital and 
can feel comfortable with that.  For now, I still like to look at a paper copy 
for certain things.  I know when technology changes, we should all take our old 
stuff and move it to the new format but not everybody will do that or has the 
means.  Paper copies, like printed photographs, can be viewed and enjoyed by 
anyone whether they have the newest technology or not, or even if they have no 
computer at all.



I'm not arguing or criticizing, just thought I'd try to explain why I can't 
give up my paper yet :-)  I'm envious of all of you who have gone completely 
digital and love it.  Kathy

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:

There has to be someone in the family that will continue to preserve the 
information we have compiled through the years.  I have data from the 1980's 
that started out on 5 1/4 diskettes up to current times and if I hadn't 
preserved them by upgrading their formats it would be gone for good.  Some 
originally came from paper that I had to retype because PC's didn't exist them 
(1970's).  In that sense paper was the best media for that time.

What about old 8mm and 16mm films?  Try to get them converted these days.  I 
have a bunch of them deteriorating.







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RE: [LegacyUG] Drag and Drop

2011-05-28 Thread Carl Cox
I am not getting a merge screen

The merge screen is not automatic. The program has no way of knowing
what you want to do with the drag and drop, so you have to tell it. If
you only drop one individual, that will probably be a child or other
relation of those in the file, but not in the file. (At least that is
the way I would think.)

So you have to tell Legacy what you want it to do. Linking is not the
same as merging - a spouse or child of a person in the file would be
linked, unless you included that linked individual in the drag and drop.
Personally, I would not drag an unlinked individual if I had a choice. I
much prefer to include at least one person in the drag who is already in
the other file.

Carl



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Re: [LegacyUG] Preserving files (was: Speaking of pictures‏)

2011-05-28 Thread Eliz Hanebury
Freepages at rootsweb, World connect at rootsweb, they seem to be the
most reliable, if you source everything well descendants in the future
who do get bit can find their way thru.


Eliz

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM, John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I've given a lot of thought to long term preservation of my genealogy files
 [recorded with Legacy, in order to keep this On Topic] given the
 rapid obsolescence of digital media.  What if I store my files on the
 currently most advanced medium and I place it in a secure place, e.g. a bank
 safe deposit box, and tomorrow I get obliterated by a Hellfire missile?  My
 heirs, not otherwise knowing what to do with the contents of my safe deposit
 box, store everything in a trunk in the attic.  Fifty years from now, an as
 yet unborn descendant discovers these strange, shiny discs and thinking they
 make wonderful conversation pieces, uses them for drink coasters for his
 guests.  I think the only way to ensure that your files are readable in the
 distant future is to print them on old fashioned paper even if they are at
 risk from fire, flood or tornado.
 As to the question of what to do with your files if your immediate relatives
 haven't yet been infected by the genie bug, you could always donate them to
 your local genealogical society or one in an area where your ancestors
 lived.  They may be useful to someone researching in those areas.  And keep
 in mind that your grandchildren who now roll their eyes at any mention of
 our Hepplefinger line from Transylvania, may someday be saying, I wish
 I'd asked Grandpa that when he was alive; he knew all about our ancestors.
  For now I've tried to identify any younger relatives in my major lines who
 have expressed any interest in genealogy--my son-in-law, my wife's nephew,
 my cousin's granddaughter, etc.--and intend to provide them with my files of
 their respective branches.
 Having said all that, to date I have neither printed everything on paper or
 distributed files to the younger relatives.  Plenty of time for that.  I may
 live forever if that missile misfires.

 John S. Adams
 Hermosa Beach, CA



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RE: [LegacyUG] Preserving files (was: Speaking of pictures‏)

2011-05-28 Thread John S. Adams

How confident are you that Rootsweb will still be in business in 2060?

John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA



 From: elizhg...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Preserving files (was: Speaking of picturesþ)
 Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 22:41:24 -0400

 Freepages at rootsweb, World connect at rootsweb, they seem to be the
 most reliable, if you source everything well descendants in the future
 who do get bit can find their way thru.


 Eliz

 On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM, John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I've given a lot of thought to long term preservation of my genealogy files
  [recorded with Legacy, in order to keep this On Topic] given the
  rapid obsolescence of digital media.  What if I store my files on the



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