Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I use abt when it is my guess and circa when a third party guesses (IGI, 
Familysearch etc.). No real rule, but my idea.




 From: "runolf...@aol.com" 
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

    Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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Re: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I did it by copying and pasting one to the other, in the location list, 
switching the order of parts to isolate easier?




 From: Barbara 
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:46 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time



Please tell me how to change all of my USA in the
address to United States.
 
Thanks
Barb

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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[RHS Consulting]

Circa is very much alive and well and used in the entire metric world.  It
is abbreviated ca. and is used all over Europe.  I use it consistently, even
in my US writings.  Abt. disturbs me as it is always capitalized just like
Btw. and Bef.  A lower case (abt - btw - bef) would serve Legacy better
other than at the beginning of a sentence.

Richard

- Original Message -
From: "Michele Lewis" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date question --


Circa is an older term that most genealogists don't use anymore. Abt. is
much more common but whatever you like better is just fine.

Michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Ron Ferguson]

Bill,

They mean exactly the same thing, just different languages. However, I find
it quite useful to have two abbreviations meaning exactly the same thing. As
you may know, the English BMD Government Record Office (GRO) indexes are
grouped into quarters, and Legacy does allow these to be recorded as Q1, Q2
etc.. I do not like this method, and prefer to use the GRO practice of using
the last month of the quarter viz. March, June etc.. By using "Cir"
exclusively for these dates eg. "Cir Mar 1900" I immediately know that I
have a GRO reference for these, as all other approximate dates are of the
form "Abt Mar 1900".

As I never publish my estimated dates (I want them blank), in my records
they are enclosed in privacy brackets. This serves two purposes, a) they are
not published and b) I know they are estimated - hence no need for "Est".

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R




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RE: [LegacyUG] Date question --

[Michele Lewis]

Circa is an older term that most genealogists don't use anymore. Abt. is much 
more common but whatever you like better is just fine.

Michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] Date question --

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to use 
About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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[LegacyUG] Date question --

[Tony Rolfe]

I use Abt when there is some evidence to support that date.  E.g.  the
1861 census recorded him as being 7 years old.  I would say born Abt 1854.

I use Est when there is no evidence, but I want to put something in the
date field.  E.g.  A marriage record says that John's father was James.
  That's all I know about James, but I know John was born in 1867 so I
will guess that James was roughly 25 years old when John was born and
use Est 1845.  I tend to round Est dates to the most likely multiple of 5.

I think circa is a synonym for abt.  I don't use it.

I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any hard and fast rule about
this.  Just pick a method, be consistent and document it so others can
follow your reasoning.

Cheers

Tony



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[LegacyUG] Date question --

[Runolfson]

Hi Everyone,

Legacy accommodates different date formats  and I am not sure when to
use About and Circa. What is the difference  and when do I use which one.

Thanks,

Bill R



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RE: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Good Day Bill,



How you might handle a name change in Legacy would depend upon whether this was 
a legal or common law change.



If legal (at least under today’s procedures), that would involve a county court 
hearing (usually Superior). Legal name changes also involve publication in the 
legals section of a local newspaper. The court could tell you which newspaper 
would have been used. If legal, I would include an Event/Fact item for a court 
record of the surname change, along with an AKA listing to identify the other 
surname. The court records would also tell you the ‘why’ of the surname change.



If common law, that might be a bit more difficult. You will have the 1940 
census, and maybe the 1930 census if the surname was used prior to that 
enumeration, to give you some information (for example, occupation). Depending 
upon when your ancestor registered for Social Security would identify whether 
you will find any information about such a surname change. If the person lived 
in a large city, you might consider using directories for that city. With a 
common law name change I would use only an AKA reference with a note 
identifying when the surname began being used.



Best,



Denise L. Moss-Fritch



From: William (Bill) R. Linhart [mailto:wrlinh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry



Concerning names:

How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that he uses 
for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of his life?

I have been using Legacy aka's for spelling variations and nicknames but when a 
person changes their SURNAME, how do you handle that?  Same way?  It does not 
feel right.

I don't have a year yet but have a range of sometime in the late 1920's after 
serving in WW I.   I am hoping to find a legal record some day.  This person 
never drove a car or needed a passport.  This person never went overseas after 
WW I.  Maybe he had to prove something for social security enrollment in 1936?

Thanks, in advance, for your consideration of this request.

Bill in Philadelphia




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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[mbstx]

I have a similar situation with 3 great uncles, each of whom changed their surname to something different than the others.I've handled it two ways, both in the main surname field, as I don't consider a surname change the same as an aka.Martin Saretzki/SmithMartin Saretzki [[later Smith]]I'm not crazy about either, but having both names in the main surname field makes them, and particularly their descendants, easier to track.I also added a name change event for all 3 and their wives and children, with documentation for their petitions to change their names between 1900 and 1920.Marianne-Original Message-
From: "William (Bill) R. Linhart" 
Sent: Aug 24, 2012 2:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

Concerning names:How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that he uses for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of his life?I have been using Legacy aka's for spelling variations and nicknames but when a person changes their SURNAME, how do you handle that?  Same way?  It does not feel right.  
I don't have a year yet but have a range of sometime in the late 1920's after serving in WW I.   I am hoping to find a legal record some day.  This person never drove a car or needed a passport.  This person never went overseas after WW I.  Maybe he had to prove something for social security enrollment in 1936? 
Thanks, in advance, for your consideration of this request. Bill in Philadelphia


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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[Brian/Support]

If you know when he decided to change his surname you could add a "Name
Change Event" to say when he started using the new Surname. I would do
this in addition to adding the new surname as an AKA.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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--

On 24/08/2012 15:43, William (Bill) R. Linhart wrote:
> Concerning names:
>
> How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that he
> uses for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of his
> life?
>
> I have been using Legacy aka's for spelling variations and nicknames but
> when a person changes their SURNAME, how do you handle that?  Same way?  It
> does not feel right.
>
> I don't have a year yet but have a range of sometime in the late 1920's
> after serving in WW I.   I am hoping to find a legal record some day.  This
> person never drove a car or needed a passport.  This person never went
> overseas after WW I.  Maybe he had to prove something for social security
> enrollment in 1936?
>
> Thanks, in advance, for your consideration of this request.
>
> Bill in Philadelphia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Error Msg

[Ron Ferguson]

Thanks for the update, Anne, I have everything crossed.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Anne Picketts
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error Msg

Ron



  This has cropped up before, and I cannot remember how it was resolved, a 
possibility is to use
View>Master Lists>Picture Locations>Options and purge unused.Did 
that

The only record I have found cured the problem by exporting to GEDCOM, but 
because of other potential problems – particularly losing Source Writer Sources 
means I cannot recommend this.
and the Gedcom.  That got half way through the export and came up with an Error 
5.  I deleted all USR files, clean and repair and started again - exported to 
Gedcom, gave the database a new name, and the problem appears to have gone.

Fingers crossed and stress levels abating :-)

Thanks for your help.

Anne


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Re: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time

[Barbara]

Thanks, it worked like a charm.  What a short cut.  Monique, I do appreciate 
your help
Barb
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  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time


  Go to "view", then "master lists", then "location". Click on "options" to the 
right, and then on "expand/contract location parts".

  Make sure the "all locations in list" is marked under "Records to Change", 
and the "Expand Long Location Names and contract Short Location names is 
marked" under the "Action to take".

  Check the "Add, 'United States' under the "USA Country Names".  Click 
"Continue" in top right and ta-da, it's done!

  Monique
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From: Barbara
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time


Please tell me how to change all of my USA in the address to United States.

Thanks
Barb


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Re: [LegacyUG] Error Msg

[Anne Picketts]

Ron


> This has cropped up before, and I cannot remember how it was resolved, a
> possibility is to use
>
> View>Master Lists>Picture Locations>Options and purge unused.
>
> Did that


> The only record I have found cured the problem by exporting to GEDCOM, but 
> because of other potential problems – particularly losing Source Writer 
> Sources means I cannot recommend this.
>
>
and the Gedcom.  That got half way through the export and came up with an
Error 5.  I deleted all USR files, clean and repair and started again -
exported to Gedcom, gave the database a new name, and the problem
*appears*to have gone.

Fingers crossed and stress levels abating :-)

Thanks for your help.

Anne

>
> --
Anne PICKETTS
Waipu, NZ
NZSG #5331;  KFHS #6151
*Family History is Cool...pass it on!*
http://www.familyhistorymonth.org.nz/
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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 8/24/2012 1:43 PM, William (Bill) R. Linhart wrote:
> Concerning names:
>
> How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that
> he uses for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of
> his life?

"formally known as"


--
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Utah, USA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[Ron Ferguson]

Bill,

It is exactly what an AKA is for – I also use it for a married woman’s surname, 
after all she usually uses it for longer than her maiden name!

Ron Ferguson
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From: William (Bill) R. Linhart
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

Concerning names:

How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that he uses 
for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of his life?

I have been using Legacy aka's for spelling variations and nicknames but when a 
person changes their SURNAME, how do you handle that?  Same way?  It does not 
feel right.

I don't have a year yet but have a range of sometime in the late 1920's after 
serving in WW I.   I am hoping to find a legal record some day.  This person 
never drove a car or needed a passport.  This person never went overseas after 
WW I.  Maybe he had to prove something for social security enrollment in 1936?

Thanks, in advance, for your consideration of this request.

Bill in Philadelphia




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA (now SUMNER, WA)

[Bain Family]

For anyone living in the Sumner, WA, area... I just called the Heritage
Quest Research Library and learned their next Legacy Group Meeting will be
Sept 18th at 10:00am in the Sumner Library, 1007 Main Street, Sumner, WA
98390-1412.  The Legacy Group Meetings are not listed in their online events
calendar, so I called:  253-863-1806.  No information on when future
meetings will be held.

Lana


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA

Heritage Quest Library in Sumner has a Legacy group which meets
monthly. Their website is www.HQRL.com.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree




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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry / 2nd SURNAME entry

[William (Bill) R. Linhart]

Concerning names:

How do you handle in Legacy an individual who has a birth SURNAME that he
uses for 25 years and then changes his SURNAME for last 50 years of his
life?

I have been using Legacy aka's for spelling variations and nicknames but
when a person changes their SURNAME, how do you handle that?  Same way?  It
does not feel right.

I don't have a year yet but have a range of sometime in the late 1920's
after serving in WW I.   I am hoping to find a legal record some day.  This
person never drove a car or needed a passport.  This person never went
overseas after WW I.  Maybe he had to prove something for social security
enrollment in 1936?

Thanks, in advance, for your consideration of this request.

Bill in Philadelphia



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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

[Ron Ferguson]

No problem in using it in the way you suggest, Judith.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Judith
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:21 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

Put the nickname in quotes eg. Leslie “Sammy” James Gardener. When printing 
reports etc. you are given the option of using the name in quotes when the 
person is referred to and also of removing the quotes (they are not mutually 
exclusive). You could also have for example William Arthur “Arthur” Ferguson 
for when a person uses a second name rather than the first.



Thank you so much for this, I too have relatives with nicknames and this works 
great.  I guess you could also use it for the derivative of a name, such as 
James “Jim”, Henry “Hank” etc.

J



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle duplicate entries

[Lavern Hall]

Thanks everyone for your help.
Have a nice weekend!

Lavern Hall
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Jan Roberts  wrote:

> Yes, but it still repeats all of the information, events etc for the first
> duplicated person.  I believe this is on the 'to be fixed' list after I
> reported it quite some time ago - but to date it hasn't been fixed.  i.e. I
> have my daughter attached to me and my first husband (her father) and also
> to me and my second husband because I want her and any descendants to show
> in reports as part of our family.  All of her details and events are shown
> under her father and me, and when she is repeated in my second marriage all
> I really want is her name and 'see page x' - but all of her details and
> events are shown again.  If she had children they wouldn't be repeated, but
> it is superfluous to have her information repeated twice.
> Cheers
> Jan
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 11:50
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to handle duplicate entries
>
> When creating a report of ancestors or descendants select the format tab.
> There is a setting there, "Don't repeat duplicate lines that will remove
> the duplication by adding a see page x instead of repeating the line.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
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RE: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

[Judith]

Put the nickname in quotes eg. Leslie “Sammy” James Gardener. When printing 
reports etc. you are given the option of using the name in quotes when the 
person is referred to and also of removing the quotes (they are not mutually 
exclusive). You could also have for example William Arthur “Arthur” Ferguson 
for when a person uses a second name rather than the first.



Thank you so much for this, I too have relatives with nicknames and this works 
great.  I guess you could also use it for the derivative of a name, such as 
James “Jim”, Henry “Hank” etc.

J




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Re: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time

[Ron Ferguson]

Barb,

Use Search>Search and Replace>Lists-Location

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Barbara
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time

Please tell me how to change all of my USA in the address to United States.

Thanks
Barb


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Re: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time

[unique64 Riley]

Go to "view", then "master lists", then "location". Click on "options" to the 
right, and then on "expand/contract location parts".

Make sure the "all locations in list" is marked under "Records to Change", and 
the "Expand Long Location Names and contract Short Location names is marked" 
under the "Action to take".

Check the "Add, 'United States' under the "USA Country Names".  Click 
"Continue" in top right and ta-da, it's done!

Monique
  - Original Message -
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  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:46 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Change whole list at one time


  Please tell me how to change all of my USA in the address to United States.

  Thanks
  Barb


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RE: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

[Michele Lewis]

Nope.  I never put nicknames in the given name field.  HOWEVER, I hand type 
reports so I will mention the person first as “Leslie “Sammy” James Gardener 
and then every subsequent mention it will be just Sammy.  It makes the report 
sound more personal.

It depends on how you use your research.  The standard is, ALL alternate names 
go in the AKA field but there isn’t a genealogy police squad that will hunt you 
down and pull your fingernails out :)  I keep my data conformed to the 
standards because I am OCD and I share my data with other researchers that keep 
to the standards.

Michele





From: Ian GARDENER [mailto:ijg3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

I know how it’s meant to be done using aka’s but does anyone add nicknames to 
the primary given name field?

All my uncles were routinely known by their nicknames even with family & most 
people not even knowing their real given names. So to take one uncle as an 
example, if I enter  “Leslie James Gardener” it draws blank stress from all the 
relatives. If I enter “Leslie (Sammy) James Gardener” they all go aahhh and the 
penny drops.

Any thoughts please?

Ian Gardener
Australia




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Re: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

[Ron Ferguson]

Ian,

Put the nickname in quotes eg. Leslie “Sammy” James Gardener. When printing 
reports etc. you are given the option of using the name in quotes when the 
person is referred to and also of removing the quotes (they are not mutually 
exclusive). You could also have for example William Arthur “Arthur” Ferguson 
for when a person uses a second name rather than the first.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ian GARDENER
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Name / Nickname entry.

I know how it’s meant to be done using aka’s but does anyone add nicknames to 
the primary given name field?



All my uncles were routinely known by their nicknames even with family & most 
people not even knowing their real given names. So to take one uncle as an 
example, if I enter  “Leslie James Gardener” it draws blank stress from all the 
relatives. If I enter “Leslie (Sammy) James Gardener” they all go aahhh and the 
penny drops.



Any thoughts please?



Ian Gardener

Australia



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Re: [LegacyUG] Citation help please.

[Jenny M Benson]

On 24/08/2012 08:34, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> I’m using Legacy sourcewriter.
>
> I requested a copy of my grandparent’s wedding certificate from our
> relevant state authority (BDM), what I got was a certified image of what
> was obviously an entry in a church register, all good for my purposes.
>
> Now in sourcewriter I select:
>
> *marriage records >
>
> *found in government records – because that’s where I found it (correct?) 
> >
>
> *In the next step should I mark it as a marriage certificate (since
> that’s what it was issued as), Marriage licences bonds, registrations
> (it is a registration sort of), or as I’m inclined to do, as “Marriage
> Registers (since it is clearly a copy of a page showing a number of
> weddings registered in the church)?
>
I would go with your last option.  You could always write in the
Comments field that this was supplied in response to a request for a
Marriage Certificate if you think that might clarify the matter and
assist a future researcher wanting to verify your Sources.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Let's try again)

[Jenny M Benson]

On 24/08/2012 03:57, Ian GARDENER wrote:
> Unfortunately I can't help you directly but I find myself being
> forced to use the basic source option fairly often because the
> sourcewriter options are very restrictive & clearly designed for US
> users more than others. I sorely wish there was an option to add
> categories in the first screen of source writer. The generic option
> just doesn't quite cut it in many situations.

My research is about 95% UK and I only have 3 Basic Sources now, having
converted all the rest to SourceWriter.  And I will convert those 3 in
due course.

I think some people don't realise that you don't have to fill in every
field on the template and you can ignore the field names if you wish.
Take the Generic, Manuscript template.  The fields on the Master are
"Collection" and "Respository" - doesn't mean you can't enter something
like "Auntie Fanny's Recipe Book" as the Collection and ignore the
Repository if you wish.  Then the fields for the Source Detail are Item
Title, Item Date, Item Type and Item No.  If those fields don't suit the
item you are citing, just ignore the last 3 and write something
meaningful in the first field - you could write a whole paragraph in the
style of a Basic Source Citation if you wished.
>
> Even it had a "personal research notes" or "transcribed notes" option
> might help.

I'm not quite sure how such notes would be used as Sources - surely the
Source would be the documents/films/websites/whatever that you consulted
and from which you made notes and the notes would be added to the Text
or Comments fields?  However, if you wanted to use such options they
would fit very neatly into the Collection field of the template I
mentioned above.


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