Re: [LegacyUG] importing from paf

2013-04-18 Thread Ron Taylor
Arlene,Legacy will import from the regular PAF database but it does not import 
a PAF zipped backup file.  If you only have the backup file, you will have to 
import it to PAF and then have Legacy import it directly from the PAF file or 
use PAF to make a GEDCOM.  The direct import is much easier.  One thing that I 
recommend before importing from a PAF file is to have PAF do a check/repair 
because many times there are structural flaws which should be fixed before 
trying to use the PAF data.Ron Taylor

--- On Thu, 4/18/13, Arlene  wrote:

From: Arlene 
Subject: [LegacyUG] importing from paf
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 4:08 PM

I was helping a patron at our family history center today convert his PAF file 
to legacy.  I went to import from PAF and Legacy could not find PAF backup 
(zip) file.  I finally had to make a gedcom to import.  What was I doing 
wrong?Arlene from Utah


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[LegacyUG] importing from paf

2013-04-18 Thread Arlene
I was helping a patron at our family history center today convert his PAF file 
to legacy.  I went to import from PAF and Legacy could not find PAF backup 
(zip) file.  I finally had to make a gedcom to import.  What was I doing wrong?
Arlene from Utah


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Brian,

Basically sources are not reproduced correctly in other software (ie not
Legacy) because of incompatibility between the GEDCOM and the software, It
mainly affects those of us who use other software for webpages. I use SW and
put up with the problem.

Legacy is not on its own FTM, and my be other, software have the same
problem.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

I'd be curious to know exactly what problems you and others are experiencing
in the creation of a GEDCOM from SW. Or am I misunderstanding what you are
saying?

My understanding of what Sherry is cautioning about is that if you then take
that same GEDCOM and re-import it back into Legacy, the SW format is lost
and everything is converted to the Basic format. That is understandable but
I don't know why or when anyone would want to do that. As Sherry said, a
GEDCOM is not your first choice for creating a Legacy backup but in a case
of last resort, it would still have all the data there.

I'm getting the impression that some people are staying away from the SW
format because they think it somehow screws up a GEDCOM report. There is
only one issue that I have noticed in the creation of my own GEDCOM using SW
sources. For some reason, the REPO (Repository) element remains even though
the GEDCOM template I'm using has excluded the REPO element. I'm not sure if
this is the fault of GEDCOM or if the Legacy customization menu for GEDCOMs
is slightly defective. Not really a big issue either way.

Brian in California


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Sherry,

Whilst what you say is accurate, many of us do export using a GEDCOM for
publication of our websites. I appreciate that this is a GEDCOM problem
rather than Legacy's.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that when
you import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the "Basic"
format rather than SourceWriter format.

But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which doesn't
support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move a file from
Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File > Backup Family
File). The gedcom should only be used for moving data into a different
program or uploading to a website.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But
> now I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't
> always translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
> Barbara




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Brian L. Lightfoot
I'd be curious to know exactly what problems you and others are experiencing in 
the creation of a GEDCOM from SW. Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

My understanding of what Sherry is cautioning about is that if you then take 
that same GEDCOM and re-import it back into Legacy, the SW format is lost and 
everything is converted to the Basic format. That is understandable but I don't 
know why or when anyone would want to do that. As Sherry said, a GEDCOM is not 
your first choice for creating a Legacy backup but in a case of last resort, it 
would still have all the data there.

I'm getting the impression that some people are staying away from the SW format 
because they think it somehow screws up a GEDCOM report. There is only one 
issue that I have noticed in the creation of my own GEDCOM using SW sources. 
For some reason, the REPO (Repository) element remains even though the GEDCOM 
template I'm using has excluded the REPO element. I'm not sure if this is the 
fault of GEDCOM or if the Legacy customization menu for GEDCOMs is slightly 
defective. Not really a big issue either way.

Brian in California


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Sherry,

Whilst what you say is accurate, many of us do export using a GEDCOM for 
publication of our websites. I appreciate that this is a GEDCOM problem rather 
than Legacy's.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that when you 
import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the "Basic" format 
rather than SourceWriter format.

But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which doesn't 
support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move a file from 
Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File > Backup Family File). 
The gedcom should only be used for moving data into a different program or 
uploading to a website.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But
> now I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't
> always translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
> Barbara




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Ward Walker
Barbara,

Some people don't use SW for this reason. I use it, but when I share my data
with a distant cousin via GEDCOM, I warn them that some of the source
citations will appear a bit garbled.

There have been discussions about this, which you can find in the LUG
archive. The problem varies with the nature of the source template. Many
templates compose the citation by interspersing  data from the master source
and the detail source fields. When Legacy exports such a source citation to
GEDCOM, all the master fields are together, followed by all the detail
fields. So the resulting citation reads a bit scrambled, and there can be
issues with punctuation and with label words that weren't part of the actual
data. You can experiment to see what it does to your data.

(I have long maintained that Legacy developers could create an optional
workaround to this limitation of the GEDCOM standard. The citation could be
formatted as if for printing and then written to GEDCOM as a basic-style
source detail. This would be helpful for one-way transfers.)

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Right - that's included in my comments about exporting to another
program or uploading to a website. My point was that if you're sharing
a file "Legacy to Legacy", unless you're going back to an earlier
version of Legacy, you wouldn't use a gedcom. And previous versions
wouldn't support the SourceWriter anyway.

The important thing is that the information is exported and *should*
be imported by the program you're using.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Ron Ferguson
 wrote:
> Sherry,
>
> Whilst what you say is accurate, many of us do export using a GEDCOM for
> publication of our websites. I appreciate that this is a GEDCOM problem
> rather than Legacy's.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:46 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer
>
> Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that
> when you import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the
> "Basic" format rather than SourceWriter format.
>
> But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which
> doesn't support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move
> a file from Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File >
> Backup Family File). The gedcom should only be used for moving data
> into a different program or uploading to a website.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
>> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
>> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But now
>> I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't always
>> translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
>> Barbara
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Sherry/Support
Right - that's included in my comments about exporting to another
program or uploading to a website. My point was that if you're sharing
a file "Legacy to Legacy", unless you're going back to an earlier
version of Legacy, you wouldn't use a gedcom. And previous versions
wouldn't support the SourceWriter anyway.

The important thing is that the information is exported and *should*
be imported by the program you're using.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Ron Ferguson
 wrote:
> Sherry,
>
> Whilst what you say is accurate, many of us do export using a GEDCOM for
> publication of our websites. I appreciate that this is a GEDCOM problem
> rather than Legacy's.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:46 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer
>
> Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that
> when you import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the
> "Basic" format rather than SourceWriter format.
>
> But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which
> doesn't support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move
> a file from Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File >
> Backup Family File). The gedcom should only be used for moving data
> into a different program or uploading to a website.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
>> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
>> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But now
>> I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't always
>> translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
>> Barbara
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Sherry,

Whilst what you say is accurate, many of us do export using a GEDCOM for
publication of our websites. I appreciate that this is a GEDCOM problem
rather than Legacy's.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that
when you import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the
"Basic" format rather than SourceWriter format.

But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which
doesn't support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move
a file from Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File >
Backup Family File). The gedcom should only be used for moving data
into a different program or uploading to a website.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But now
> I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't always
> translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
> Barbara




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Sherry/Support
Everything you enter should be included in the gedcom. It's just that
when you import the gedcom into Legacy, the sources will show in the
"Basic" format rather than SourceWriter format.

But, unless you're going back to an earlier version of Legacy which
doesn't support SourceWriter anyway, you wouldn't use a gedcom to move
a file from Legacy to Legacy.  You'd do a backup and restore (File >
Backup Family File). The gedcom should only be used for moving data
into a different program or uploading to a website.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Barbara  wrote:
> Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
> in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But now
> I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't always
> translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
> Barbara



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[LegacyUG] Source Writer

2013-04-18 Thread Barbara
Here is my dilemma:  I would like to use Source Writer for my sourcing
in Legacy to be sure that I've sourced according to standards.  But now
I've heard that the data produced using Source Writer doesn't always
translate correctly into Gedcom.  What do other people do?
Barbara



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Re: [LegacyUG] Gensmarts 2.0

2013-04-18 Thread M Sonnier


Has GenSmarts 2.0 added Findagrave to their list of sites?
>
>Thanks
>
>Morris Sonnier


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Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to record a divorce

2013-04-18 Thread Syble Glasscock
I record Divorce records under the Marriage Information/Event/Divorce and keep 
it simple.  I know all researchers handle situations differently, but I 
personally like to leave some things private, so I included [[  --  ]]  on 
information I want for myself, but not others.  I also do this when I record 
Death Certificate information, such as suicides.   Both families are hurt by 
these actions and as a researcher, I don't want to stir up old wounds, my goal 
is to honor those in my database.
Syble


Families Researching: Cline/Klein, Daniel, Newton, Witherspoon, Perryman, 
Gilbreath, Lindsey,  Brown, Foote, Curry, Fleming, Glasscock, Edwards, Waters, 
Wheat


>
> From: Tony Rolfe 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:49 PM
>Subject: [LegacyUG] Best way to record a divorce
>
>
>I have just downloaded a set of divorce papers and was wondering what is
>the best way to record this.
>
>There is a standard "Divorce Filing" event, but that doesn't cover a
>fraction of the information available.
>
>I have the date of the petition, the date of the decree Nisi and the
>date of the final decree, as well as details on the grounds of the
>petition and the respondent's response.
>
>I'm thinking of putting the standard event in the wife's events, since
>she petitioned for the divorce.  Then I'll create a new event for the
>Divorce Decrees, so I can record those dates.  These would be marriage
>events.
>
>Does this sound reasonable and is there anything I've missed?
>
>Thanks
>
>Tony
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to record a divorce

2013-04-18 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 18/04/2013 05:49, Tony Rolfe wrote:
> I have just downloaded a set of divorce papers and was wondering what is
> the best way to record this.
>
> There is a standard "Divorce Filing" event, but that doesn't cover a
> fraction of the information available.
>
> I have the date of the petition, the date of the decree Nisi and the
> date of the final decree, as well as details on the grounds of the
> petition and the respondent's response.
>
> I'm thinking of putting the standard event in the wife's events, since
> she petitioned for the divorce.  Then I'll create a new event for the
> Divorce Decrees, so I can record those dates.  These would be marriage
> events.
>
> Does this sound reasonable and is there anything I've missed?

I entered a Divorce Event under Marriage Events for the couple
concerned.  The EventName was "Divorce", the Desc "Decree Absolute" and
the Date that of the Decree.  I added some details as Notes and the
final sentence reads

"Divorce:  on 29 July 1884 John and Sarah were granted a Decree Absolute.

John had filed a petition for Divorce on 18 January 1883 and a Decree
Nisi was granted on 23 January 1884 on the grounds of Sarah's adultery
with unknown men."

The various documents are attached to the Source and can be printed out
in full and included with a Report if necessary.  For most purposes that
is sufficient detail.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Best way to record a divorce

2013-04-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Tony,

For recording a divorce there is only the Marriage Status entry. If you wish to 
include all the details (which generally I don't) then I would probably do 
something along the lines you suggest, but rather than create a Spouse Divorce 
Event I think that I would create a Marriage Divorce Event.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307

"Tony Rolfe"  wrote:

>I have just downloaded a set of divorce papers and was wondering what is
>the best way to record this.
>
>There is a standard "Divorce Filing" event, but that doesn't cover a
>fraction of the information available.
>
>I have the date of the petition, the date of the decree Nisi and the
>date of the final decree, as well as details on the grounds of the
>petition and the respondent's response.
>
>I'm thinking of putting the standard event in the wife's events, since
>she petitioned for the divorce.  Then I'll create a new event for the
>Divorce Decrees, so I can record those dates.  These would be marriage
>events.
>
>Does this sound reasonable and is there anything I've missed?
>
>Thanks
>
>Tony

>


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