[LegacyUG] Privatizing dates

2014-10-30 Thread karenhappuch
Is it ok to use the private brackets [[ ]] in the date field?  I am coming
into Legacy from TMG where we have sort dates.  Placing a date in the
private brackets [[1950]] appears to be somewhat of a work around.  Willit
get me into trouble later on in Legacy?

Barbara





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RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Austen
Wendy, you're awesome in your replies - keep up the good work!

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:32 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

Hi Kirstin,

I've gone back through my mail and found the recent thread where a bug was 
discussed that involves dates in events. The subject line was

[LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

The original query posted sounds just like yours. Elsie said:

"I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.” The sentence I get is “David was 
in school on.” "

Michelle and Brian from Legacy Support posted a couple of responses in that 
thread, saying it was a known bug. Brian said just yesterday in this thread:

"The date problem is restricted to custom sentences using the override tab, 
dates are not included using the [date] or [ondate] fields there.

"It does not affect the vast majority who use only the standard sentences nor 
does it affect the saving of the dates in the database."

Hope this helps. :-)

Wendy





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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Wendy Howard
Hi Kirstin,

I've gone back through my mail and found the recent thread where a bug
was discussed that involves dates in events. The subject line was

[LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

The original query posted sounds just like yours. Elsie said:

"I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences
were leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition
includes dates. For example: The Event Sentence Description reads
[firstname] [desc] [onDate] for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”
The sentence I get is “David was in school on.” "

Michelle and Brian from Legacy Support posted a couple of responses in
that thread, saying it was a known bug. Brian said just yesterday in
this thread:

"The date problem is restricted to custom sentences using the override
tab, dates are not included using the [date] or [ondate] fields there.

"It does not affect the vast majority who use only the standard
sentences nor does it affect the saving of the dates in the database."

Hope this helps. :-)

Wendy


Kirstin said the following on 31/10/2014 14:09:
> Do we know that it is a bug? I have my dates in this format:
>
> 23 Mar 1942
>
> And that is the actual date.
>
> Kirstin
>
> On 10/30/2014 8:44 PM, Wendy Howard wrote:
>> Gee, another rant from CE - what a surprise. (not!)
>>
>> So this problem of Kirsten's is caused a known bug - I was wondering if
>> that was the issue after I sent my last post, but hadn't gotten around
>> to checking that out yet. In that case it is known by the people at
>> Legacy, and it will be fixed when it is fixed.
>>
>> Meanwhile, get over yourself, CE. I wouldn't be surprised if there are
>> members of this list who delete your posts unread, just to avoid your
>> vindictive bile. I certainly don't read right through - a couple of
>> lines is usually enough before I'm reaching for the delete key, and had
>> to go and find this post of yours in the trash to reply to it once I'd
>> thought about it a while.
>>
>> Kirsten, don't be put off by CE's response; he has a bee in his bonnet
>> about v8 and puts it down every opportunity he gets. If this bug is the
>> reason your date is not showing, then it is nothing you are doing wrong.
>> It will be fixed in time. :-)
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> CE WOOD said the following on 31/10/2014 13:02:
>>> You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a
>>> *_major_* bug in Events overrides. It has been reported before, but
>>> not in the Marriage Event. How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable
>>> in its major strong suit, which used to be allowing for individual
>>> tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, create more when they fix
>>> some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart people still use
>>> 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  Legacy 7.5
>>> is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going that
>>> they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the
>>> world don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly
>>> released much too early. I hope they get their act together soon. I
>>> know of more that 50 people who have abandoned Legacy 8, some
>>> reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal means of a GEDCOM, and others
>>> who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a good track record with this?
>>>
>>> Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.
>>>
>>>
>>> CE
>>>
 From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400

 I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
 Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
 instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
 is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
 got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add

 [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where
>>> [Desc] is
 the name of the spouse.

 I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
 and such a date.

 But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
 so and so.

 Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
 --
 Kirstin



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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Kirstin
Do we know that it is a bug? I have my dates in this format:

23 Mar 1942

And that is the actual date.

Kirstin

On 10/30/2014 8:44 PM, Wendy Howard wrote:
> Gee, another rant from CE - what a surprise. (not!)
>
> So this problem of Kirsten's is caused a known bug - I was wondering if
> that was the issue after I sent my last post, but hadn't gotten around
> to checking that out yet. In that case it is known by the people at
> Legacy, and it will be fixed when it is fixed.
>
> Meanwhile, get over yourself, CE. I wouldn't be surprised if there are
> members of this list who delete your posts unread, just to avoid your
> vindictive bile. I certainly don't read right through - a couple of
> lines is usually enough before I'm reaching for the delete key, and had
> to go and find this post of yours in the trash to reply to it once I'd
> thought about it a while.
>
> Kirsten, don't be put off by CE's response; he has a bee in his bonnet
> about v8 and puts it down every opportunity he gets. If this bug is the
> reason your date is not showing, then it is nothing you are doing wrong.
> It will be fixed in time. :-)
>
> Wendy
>
> CE WOOD said the following on 31/10/2014 13:02:
>> You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a
>> *_major_* bug in Events overrides. It has been reported before, but
>> not in the Marriage Event. How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable
>> in its major strong suit, which used to be allowing for individual
>> tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, create more when they fix
>> some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart people still use
>> 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  Legacy 7.5
>> is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going that
>> they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the
>> world don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly
>> released much too early. I hope they get their act together soon. I
>> know of more that 50 people who have abandoned Legacy 8, some
>> reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal means of a GEDCOM, and others
>> who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a good track record with this?
>>
>> Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.
>>
>>
>> CE
>>
>>> From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
>>> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>> Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400
>>>
>>> I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
>>> Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
>>> instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
>>> is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
>>> got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
>>>
>>> [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where
>> [Desc] is
>>> the name of the spouse.
>>>
>>> I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
>>> and such a date.
>>>
>>> But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
>>> so and so.
>>>
>>> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
>>> --
>>> Kirstin
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread CE WOOD
If you have been using Legacy 8 and not duplicating Legacy 8 additions and 
corrections in Legacy 7.5, I don't think you can because they are different. 
Legacy 7.5 can be converted to Legacy 8, but I think the converse is not true.

If you have added nothing new to Legacy 8, then your old Legacy 7.5 backup can 
be restored. If you no longer have Legacy 7.5 on your computer, I believe you 
can still download it, and then restore your Legacy 7.5 backup.

Others on the list probably know for sure and can advise you.

CE

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 00:12:36 +
From: stephen.gra...@comcast.net
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

Can't one revert from 8 to 7.5 using a Legacy 7.5 backup?





From: "CE WOOD" 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:02:12 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override





You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a major bug in 
Events overrides. It has been reported before, but not in the Marriage Event. 
How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable in its major strong suit, which used 
to be allowing for individual tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, 
create more when they fix some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart 
people still use 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  
Legacy 7.5 is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going 
that they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the world 
don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly released much too 
early. I hope they get their act together soon. I know of more that 50 people 
who have abandoned Legacy 8, some reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal 
means of a GEDCOM, and others who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a 
good track record with this?

Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.



CE


> From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400
>
> I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
> Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
> instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
> is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
> got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
>
> [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
> the name of the spouse.
>
> I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
> and such a date.
>
> But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
> so and so.
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
> --
> Kirstin


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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Wendy Howard
Gee, another rant from CE - what a surprise. (not!)

So this problem of Kirsten's is caused a known bug - I was wondering if
that was the issue after I sent my last post, but hadn't gotten around
to checking that out yet. In that case it is known by the people at
Legacy, and it will be fixed when it is fixed.

Meanwhile, get over yourself, CE. I wouldn't be surprised if there are
members of this list who delete your posts unread, just to avoid your
vindictive bile. I certainly don't read right through - a couple of
lines is usually enough before I'm reaching for the delete key, and had
to go and find this post of yours in the trash to reply to it once I'd
thought about it a while.

Kirsten, don't be put off by CE's response; he has a bee in his bonnet
about v8 and puts it down every opportunity he gets. If this bug is the
reason your date is not showing, then it is nothing you are doing wrong.
It will be fixed in time. :-)

Wendy

CE WOOD said the following on 31/10/2014 13:02:
> You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a
> *_major_* bug in Events overrides. It has been reported before, but
> not in the Marriage Event. How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable
> in its major strong suit, which used to be allowing for individual
> tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, create more when they fix
> some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart people still use
> 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  Legacy 7.5
> is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going that
> they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the
> world don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly
> released much too early. I hope they get their act together soon. I
> know of more that 50 people who have abandoned Legacy 8, some
> reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal means of a GEDCOM, and others
> who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a good track record with this?
>
> Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.
>
>
> CE
>
> > From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
> > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400
> >
> > I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
> > Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
> > instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
> > is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
> > got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
> >
> > [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where
> [Desc] is
> > the name of the spouse.
> >
> > I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
> > and such a date.
> >
> > But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
> > so and so.
> >
> > Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
> > --
> > Kirstin



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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread STEPHEN
Can't one revert from 8 to 7.5 using a Legacy 7.5 backup?

- Original Message -

From: "CE WOOD" 
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:02:12 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override

You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a major bug in 
Events overrides. It has been reported before, but not in the Marriage Event. 
How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable in its major strong suit, which used 
to be allowing for individual tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, 
create more when they fix some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart 
people still use 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  
Legacy 7.5 is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going 
that they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the world 
don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly released much too 
early. I hope they get their act together soon. I know of more that 50 people 
who have abandoned Legacy 8, some reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal 
means of a GEDCOM, and others who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a 
good track record with this?
 
Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.


CE 
 
> From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400
>
> I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
> Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
> instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
> is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
> got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
>
> [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
> the name of the spouse.
>
> I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
> and such a date.
>
> But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
> so and so.
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
> --
> Kirstin


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RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread CE WOOD
You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a major bug in 
Events overrides. It has been reported before, but not in the Marriage Event. 
How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable in its major strong suit, which used 
to be allowing for individual tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, 
create more when they fix some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart 
people still use 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke".  
Legacy 7.5 is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going 
that they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the world 
don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly released much too 
early. I hope they get their act together soon. I know of more that 50 people 
who have abandoned Legacy 8, some reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal 
means of a GEDCOM, and others who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a 
good track record with this?

Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track.


CE

> From: genealogylady...@verizon.net
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400
>
> I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
> Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
> instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
> is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
> got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
>
> [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
> the name of the spouse.
>
> I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
> and such a date.
>
> But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
> so and so.
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
> --
> Kirstin


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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Wendy Howard
What do you have in the date field?

Wendy

Kirstin said the following on 31/10/2014 11:41:
> I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
> Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
> instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
> is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
> got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add
>
> [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
> the name of the spouse.
>
> I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
> and such a date.
>
> But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
> so and so.
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.




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Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread David Abernathy
What good is this record if you do not include both parties?

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_
From: Kirstin 
Sent: Thu Oct 30 15:41:27 PDT 2014
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override


I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add

[FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
the name of the spouse.

I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
and such a date.

But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
so and so.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
--
Kirstin



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[LegacyUG] sentence override

2014-10-30 Thread Kirstin
I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a
Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person
instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he
is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she
got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add

[FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is
the name of the spouse.

I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such
and such a date.

But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry
so and so.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

2014-10-30 Thread Jay Wilpolt
Mike there is nothing wrong with that, and I have done that for some.

But I was hoping there would be a way to save that data into "proper"
fields that could be used for mapping.

At the start of this of was asking how others handled it, in hopes that I
would be enlightened to a workaround that has the data in usable fields.

I will probably create my own extra "cemetery' tables
One just to assign a unique number to a particular Cemetery
And a second table that would list the Cemetery Number, The persons ID, and
the Long/Lat of burial
And hopefully someday I could just import that info into Legacy when they
have addressed the situation.


Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Jay



On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:20 AM, MikeFry  wrote:

> On 30 Oct 2014 01:27, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> > I think the current  'logic' of the long/lat for Burial Place just isnt
> > taking into consideration the plotting of cemeteries. The stones are all
> > located at 1 "Location" address.
>
> Okay then. A single location that has multiple grave positions in it. How
> else
> would you record the information? Probably by Individual. But that doesn't
> help (in
> the UK in particular) with multiple individuals in a single grave.
>
> What's wrong with recording the Cemetery in the Burial Location and the
> details
> about the actual grave in the Burial Notes?
>
> --
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> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Crossover mac 14 and Legacy 8

2014-10-30 Thread Rita Lynn McKale
I just checked on the CodeWeavers website and it says that Legacy Family
Tree 8 should work on CrossOver mac 14.  Does anybody know if it really
does?



Thank you,

Rita in South Carolina




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RE: [LegacyUG] Inserting an en Dash in Notes

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Austen
I get the same thing, using Alt 0150 always changes to '96 regardless of the 
preceding year.

Worse yet, if I enter Alt 0150 on its own Legacy will crash.  I tried this 
several times.



Bob







From: s megraw [mailto:smeg...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:18 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Inserting an en Dash in Notes




Good thought... but the en dash is present. It shows while in Notes, but 
converts to '96 after saving & exiting.

Will report as a bug.

Stan


>
> Probably because the character doesn't have a glyph in the default
> font/character set used by Legacy.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Inserting an en Dash in Notes

2014-10-30 Thread s megraw




Good thought... but the en dash is present. It shows while in Notes, but 
converts to '96 after saving & exiting.

Will report as a bug.

Stan

>
> Probably because the character doesn't have a glyph in the default
> font/character set used by Legacy.
>
> --
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> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Inserting an en Dash in Notes

2014-10-30 Thread MikeFry
On 30 Oct 2014 03:44, s megraw wrote:

> I'm using the Special Characters in the Notes for an Event to insert an en 
> dash
> (Alt 0150) for a date range... eg. John Smith (1945--). I'm puzzled as to why,
> when I save the Event, the en dash converts to John Smith (1945'96).

Probably because the character doesn't have a glyph in the default
font/character set used by Legacy.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

2014-10-30 Thread MikeFry
On 30 Oct 2014 01:27, Jay Wilpolt wrote:

> I think the current  'logic' of the long/lat for Burial Place just isnt
> taking into consideration the plotting of cemeteries. The stones are all
> located at 1 "Location" address.

Okay then. A single location that has multiple grave positions in it. How else
would you record the information? Probably by Individual. But that doesn't help 
(in
the UK in particular) with multiple individuals in a single grave.

What's wrong with recording the Cemetery in the Burial Location and the details
about the actual grave in the Burial Notes?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry (Jhb)



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