Re: [LegacyUG] What is a "Location"?

[Brian Kelly]

For a lot of those questions you need to decide for yourself what 
"standard" you will apply.


The "generally" accepted usage is to use the "location" as the 
town/city, county, state, country four levels of government based on 
usage in the United States. This works there because most genealogical 
records of birth, marriages and deaths (BMD) are maintained by the 
county government or courts. There are many however who include a street 
address in there as a fifth level. Those with people who are not from 
the United States mainly ignore the United States convention and simply 
use as many levels as needed for the country where the event took place. 
Canada (where I live) has a mix depending on which province. Western 
provinces like Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta seldom use the county 
(although parts of those provinces do have county level governments 
there are no vital event records kept at that level), all BMD records 
are maintained at the provincial level so the county, if it exists is 
irrelevant. Ontario, Québec and some of the maritime provinces have a 
county government level but again BMD records are provincial so use of a 
county in the location is optional. I tend to use a mix of three and 
four level locations for my Canadian people. I also use three levels, 
city, county, country for my Welsh, Irish and English ancestors. The 
only four level locations I use are for my United States locations.


For a residential address found in a census record I create a residence 
event and put the street address in the event description. I have 
reworked the event sentence for those residence events to read like 
this: "[FirstHeShe] had a [-eventname] at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]." 
This gives me a sentence like "William had a residence at 123 Willow 
Terrace on 5 Apr 1891 in Tredegar, Monmouthsire, Wales."


Brian Kelly


On 20-Jun-17 4:23 PM, Benjamin Woznick wrote:

I am in the process of redoing a family that I have studied in the past, and
have started by examining the major lists in Legacy 9 before putting in any
new data. In particular I am trying to establish a consistent usage for all
the fields that I enter.

In this analysis, I note that I have often used "Location" as a synonym for
a real physical location, like the name of a church plus the political
entity wherein the church resides, or the actual address of a residence or
business, including the business name. Since I do have a lot of 20th century
urban people in this family, I have real street addresses for  many events
like Census enumerations and WWI Draft Registrations. I even have a few
urban addresses in Irish cities in the mid-19th century, and I also need to
resolve the question of where to put the Townland in the more rural Irish
addresses.

My usage doesn't seem to be consistent with the way other people construct a
"Location." In particular there is only one such usage in the Sample Legacy
file; all the others equate the Location with the political entity. The
exception is Joshua Marsden Brown's Residence event, which has the Location
as 203 2nd Ave S, Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota, United States. This
information also appears as an Event Address in the Sample file. On the
other hand, the column heading on the Event display is "Desc/Place/Notes",
which suggests some difference between "Location" and "Place," but I don't
see other references to "Place."

The "street address" usage does not appear at all in Geof Rassmussen's
unlocked2 file even though he is really concerned about who lives where. His
Location is always the containing political entity. He does not use the
Event Address to contain the street address of an event, but places that
information in the Notes of the Event.

My first thought was to define "Location" as the political entity in which
the Event occurred. This is consistent with the usage in Sample and
unlocked2. I would then place the address in the event's Description field,
but that seems inconsistent with the mapping function (I haven't checked
this). Then I thought about using the Event Address rather than the
Description field. That seems to be what the system designers had in mind
when the set up the Birth, Baptism, Death, and Burial events, which are
treated somewhat differently from all the other events. This is a tiny bit
awkward, because the Event Address field wants to know who or what occurs at
that address, which is not completely consistent with using it as the
Residence Event; If you leave this field blank, Legacy 9 supplies a somewhat
odd looking dummy. The Event Address  in Sample solves the problem by saying
the name is "Home at 203 2d Ave S in Minneapolis Minnesota" and then
repeating the street address in the field called "Street." Both of these
solutions feel awkward to me.

Am I missing something genealogically important about the definition of
"Location"? Is this definition somehow connected with the way GEDCOM codes
things? Is that why the Birth, etc. Events are treated 

[LegacyUG] What is a "Location"?

[Benjamin Woznick]

I am in the process of redoing a family that I have studied in the past, and
have started by examining the major lists in Legacy 9 before putting in any
new data. In particular I am trying to establish a consistent usage for all
the fields that I enter.

In this analysis, I note that I have often used "Location" as a synonym for
a real physical location, like the name of a church plus the political
entity wherein the church resides, or the actual address of a residence or
business, including the business name. Since I do have a lot of 20th century
urban people in this family, I have real street addresses for  many events
like Census enumerations and WWI Draft Registrations. I even have a few
urban addresses in Irish cities in the mid-19th century, and I also need to
resolve the question of where to put the Townland in the more rural Irish
addresses.

My usage doesn't seem to be consistent with the way other people construct a
"Location." In particular there is only one such usage in the Sample Legacy
file; all the others equate the Location with the political entity. The
exception is Joshua Marsden Brown's Residence event, which has the Location
as 203 2nd Ave S, Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota, United States. This
information also appears as an Event Address in the Sample file. On the
other hand, the column heading on the Event display is "Desc/Place/Notes",
which suggests some difference between "Location" and "Place," but I don't
see other references to "Place."

The "street address" usage does not appear at all in Geof Rassmussen's
unlocked2 file even though he is really concerned about who lives where. His
Location is always the containing political entity. He does not use the
Event Address to contain the street address of an event, but places that
information in the Notes of the Event.

My first thought was to define "Location" as the political entity in which
the Event occurred. This is consistent with the usage in Sample and
unlocked2. I would then place the address in the event's Description field,
but that seems inconsistent with the mapping function (I haven't checked
this). Then I thought about using the Event Address rather than the
Description field. That seems to be what the system designers had in mind
when the set up the Birth, Baptism, Death, and Burial events, which are
treated somewhat differently from all the other events. This is a tiny bit
awkward, because the Event Address field wants to know who or what occurs at
that address, which is not completely consistent with using it as the
Residence Event; If you leave this field blank, Legacy 9 supplies a somewhat
odd looking dummy. The Event Address  in Sample solves the problem by saying
the name is "Home at 203 2d Ave S in Minneapolis Minnesota" and then
repeating the street address in the field called "Street." Both of these
solutions feel awkward to me. 

Am I missing something genealogically important about the definition of
"Location"? Is this definition somehow connected with the way GEDCOM codes
things? Is that why the Birth, etc. Events are treated differently? If
GEDCOM or genealogy in general has a definition of "Location" as the
political entity containing the event, what is the correct method for
expressing the actual street address for an Event. Or should I just ignore
these problems and treat Location as best detailed expression of the
physical address?

I bet this has been discussed before on this list, and if anyone can tell me
where to look for a resolution of these questions, I would be happy to go
there.

Ben Woznick


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Re: [LegacyUG] discount for upgrade to version 9 from 8?

[Gloria DeSousa]

Thanks for your help. Yes, there is still a discount. Found it. I also
found "After conversion, the family file cannot be opened by previous
versions of Legacy.  If you ever want to go back, you can do so by
exporting to a GEDCOM file from Legacy 8 and then importing the GEDCOM file
into the previous version of Legacy." so I guess I'll be using version 9.
thanks again.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Philip Solida  wrote:

> There was... Uncertian about now... check legacy site... either way
> download cost less, as does upgrade... also could save back the backups
> somewhere, Uninstaller and reinstall 8... but did you run a check/repair of
> file first?
>
> On Jun 20, 2017 8:28 AM, "Gloria DeSousa"  wrote:
>
>> ​When Windows updated, it caused my Legacy Version 8 to stop allowing me
>> to add children. Out of desperation, I downloaded version 9, and it allows
>> me now to add children but not media because I need the deluxe version.
>> Wasn't there a discount for upgrades from version 8 to version 9, so I
>> don't have to pay the full price of $39.95?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria​
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Re: [LegacyUG] discount for upgrade to version 9 from 8?

[Philip Solida]

There was... Uncertian about now... check legacy site... either way
download cost less, as does upgrade... also could save back the backups
somewhere, Uninstaller and reinstall 8... but did you run a check/repair of
file first?

On Jun 20, 2017 8:28 AM, "Gloria DeSousa"  wrote:

> ​When Windows updated, it caused my Legacy Version 8 to stop allowing me
> to add children. Out of desperation, I downloaded version 9, and it allows
> me now to add children but not media because I need the deluxe version.
> Wasn't there a discount for upgrades from version 8 to version 9, so I
> don't have to pay the full price of $39.95?
>
> Thanks,
> Gloria​
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[LegacyUG] discount for upgrade to version 9 from 8?

[Gloria DeSousa]

​When Windows updated, it caused my Legacy Version 8 to stop allowing me to
add children. Out of desperation, I downloaded version 9, and it allows me
now to add children but not media because I need the deluxe version. Wasn't
there a discount for upgrades from version 8 to version 9, so I don't have
to pay the full price of $39.95?

Thanks,
Gloria​
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