Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Mike Fry]

Lucy Abbott said the following on 2009/12/30 00:34:
> This is a question that I had also and was very interested in the
> replies. I have looked at steps from Deborah but have a question.
> I see that you have the New Master Source and can delete the Old Master
> Source but what about the Source Detail that was part of the old source
> citation for each individual where you used the Old Master Source. This
> is different for each individual and I don't see anything that brings
> that over ?

>> 16. return to View > Master Lists > Source
>> 17. find your "old" source and click "show list"
>> 18. choose "delete this master source and all citations to it"

See last step :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Deborah Trounstine]

Hi Lucy,
When I create my new SW source, I copy and paste from my original old
source. Then I copy and paste any detail from the old source into the
detail section of SW as well. Fortunately for me, I didn't know how to
use "detail" so I have had very little of that to move over to the new
type of source.
I don't know how the L-tools program works but I have purchased it and
plan to try it on a test source to see. Someone suggested that as a
solution.
Deborah

Lucy Abbott wrote:
> This is a question that I had also and was very interested in the
> replies. I have looked at steps from Deborah but have a question.
> I see that you have the New Master Source and can delete the Old
> Master Source but what about the Source Detail that was part of the
> old source citation for each individual where you used the Old Master
> Source.  This is different for each individual and I don't see
> anything that brings that over ?
>
> Lucy
>
> 
> *From:* Deborah Trounstine 
> 1. create your new SW source
> 2. go to View > Master Lists > Source
> 3. find your original "old" source in basic format and select it
> 4. click on "show list" - you will see a list of all the people attached
> to that source.
> 5. (very important) decide what # tag you want to use for this exercise,
> make sure it's showing in the "Individual tag:" box - then click "Untag
> Everyone in File". This will clear all the tags of that number in your
> file.
> 6. then, on the same screen, click "tag everyone in list". This will tag
> all of the people that you want associated with your new SW source.
> 7. close that window and get back to your main screen.
> 8. go to Tools > Advanced Sourcing
> 9. on the "which records to use" tab, select "Assign to all individuals
> with tag: (whatever # tag you chose in step 6 above)
> 10. on the "where to assign citations" tab, select "Assign Citations to
> individual information" and "specific fields" and chose which field/s
> you want this source assigned to
> 11. then, click on the "Source Clipboard" button
> 12. when that opens, you will see "step 1: click here to select or
> change the master source to cite" - click!
> 13. highlight and select your NEW SW source that you want to assign to
> all these people, add any detail that you want and click save
> 14. now you should be back at the source clipboard window - click "apply"
> 15. all of your individuals now have the new source in the fields that
> you chose.
> If you want to no longer have any reference to your original "old"
> source in these files:
> 16. return to View > Master Lists > Source
> 17. find your "old" source and click "show list"
> 18. choose "delete this master source and all citations to it"
> And you're done :)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Lucy Abbott]

This is a question that I had also and was very interested in the replies. I 
have looked at steps from Deborah but have a question.
I see that you have the New Master Source and can delete the Old Master Source 
but what about the Source Detail that was part of the old source citation for 
each individual where you used the Old Master Source.  This is different for 
each individual and I don't see anything that brings that over ?

Lucy





From: Deborah Trounstine 
1. create your new SW source
2. go to View > Master Lists > Source
3. find your original "old" source in basic format and select it
4. click on "show list" - you will see a list of all the people attached
to that source.
5. (very important) decide what # tag you want to use for this exercise,
make sure it's showing in the "Individual tag:" box - then click "Untag
Everyone in File". This will clear all the tags of that number in your file.
6. then, on the same screen, click "tag everyone in list". This will tag
all of the people that you want associated with your new SW source.
7. close that window and get back to your main screen.
8. go to Tools > Advanced Sourcing
9. on the "which records to use" tab, select "Assign to all individuals
with tag: (whatever # tag you chose in step 6 above)
10. on the "where to assign citations" tab, select "Assign Citations to
individual information" and "specific fields" and chose which field/s
you want this source assigned to
11. then, click on the "Source Clipboard" button
12. when that opens, you will see "step 1: click here to select or
change the master source to cite" - click!
13. highlight and select your NEW SW source that you want to assign to
all these people, add any detail that you want and click save
14. now you should be back at the source clipboard window - click "apply"
15. all of your individuals now have the new source in the fields that
you chose.
If you want to no longer have any reference to your original "old"
source in these files:
16. return to View > Master Lists > Source
17. find your "old" source and click "show list"
18. choose "delete this master source and all citations to it"
And you're done :)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Tim Rosenlof]

Dennis Kowallek, a user on this list has created a program with alot of
utilities. He has a tool that will do that for you.

http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/

Tim Rosenlof
(No Affiliation)

Marvin & Angelique Welch wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their "older" sources
> that were made with the basic source templates from older versions, are
> you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you changing them over
> to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way of doing this?
>
> I have been slowly re-adding my sources using SourceWriter one at a
> time, but there has to be an easier way of associating that older source
> with the newer one so I don't have to reconnect to each person again.
>
> I tried making a "mock" source with the basic format, connecting it to
> 1-2 people and also creating another "mock" source using SourceWriter
> and then combining them to see if that would be an easier way of
> connecting the people to the source. But it would not allow me to
> combine them.
>
> When the 7.0 was created, was there any discussion about how users could
> convert their older sources to the newer SourceWriter format?
>
> Thanks for any help on this
>
> Angelique
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Deborah Trounstine]

I agree with you all about having better things to do with my time, but
I have to say that since I decided to move all my sources (well over
1000) to SourceWriter, I have learned so much more, cleaned up mistakes
I made 12 years ago when I started researching and set up a consistent
system so I can find sources easily (and so can the lucky kid that
inherits this project). The same thing has happened in the past when
I've gone through my hard copy files and discovered, for instance, that
there were add'l folks on those census pages that I didn't originally
know were related to the family.
I've put so much time and money into this research, I believe I deserve
to have an accurate and truly useful finished product.
Deborah

Marilyn Clark wrote:
> Connie,
>
> I agree with you! I just spent the last month trying to clean up my 718 ugly 
> and inadequate sources that were caused by moving from a shareware genealogy 
> program to Legacy. Importing the sources via GEDCOM caused a big mess and the 
> sourcing was awful. I am down to 239 sources now, about half are in the nice 
> SW format. My last big push will be to consolidate SSDI sources, then US 
> Census. Then I quit!! The rest of them can sit around until I have more time. 
> I want to do research, not housekeeping.
>
> That said, my perfectionist personality keeps nagging me to "fix" this!! The 
> one plus from all this work is that I'm correcting a few errors and becoming 
> familiar with my database again, after a couple years away from it.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Connie Sheets  wrote:
>
>
>> From: Connie Sheets 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:56 PM
>> Angelique Welch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I was wondering what everyone else was doing with
>>>
>> their
>>
>>> "older" sources
>>> that were made with the basic source templates from
>>>
>> older
>>
>>> versions, are
>>> you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you
>>> changing them over
>>> to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> doing this?
>>>
>>>
>> My database was originally started in a different program
>> back in the 1980s.  I have much better uses for my time
>> than trying to go back and update every source citation.
>>
>> I update them a few at a time when I'm working again on an
>> individual or a particular family group.
>>
>> Connie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Angelique,

 > I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their
 > "older" sources that were made with the basic source
 > templates from older versions, are you keeping them just
 > the way they are? Or, are you changing them over to the
 > SourceWriter?

I have left my older sources as they are.  In fact, I'm not in the habit
of using the SourceWriter for new sources - the old system suits me just
fine.  One or two minor sources have been set up in the new system, just
to have a play with it, and I have no plan to change them back to the
old system either.

This just goes to show that once again there is more than one way to do
things in Legacy (but you knew that already!  ;-)  and you can choose a
method that suits you and your needs.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Marilyn Clark]

Connie,

I agree with you! I just spent the last month trying to clean up my 718 ugly 
and inadequate sources that were caused by moving from a shareware genealogy 
program to Legacy. Importing the sources via GEDCOM caused a big mess and the 
sourcing was awful. I am down to 239 sources now, about half are in the nice SW 
format. My last big push will be to consolidate SSDI sources, then US Census. 
Then I quit!! The rest of them can sit around until I have more time. I want to 
do research, not housekeeping.

That said, my perfectionist personality keeps nagging me to "fix" this!! The 
one plus from all this work is that I'm correcting a few errors and becoming 
familiar with my database again, after a couple years away from it.

Marilyn


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Connie Sheets  wrote:

> From: Connie Sheets 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:56 PM
> Angelique Welch 
> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering what everyone else was doing with
> their
> > "older" sources
> > that were made with the basic source templates from
> older
> > versions, are
> > you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you
> > changing them over
> > to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way
> of
> > doing this?
> >
>
>
> My database was originally started in a different program
> back in the 1980s.  I have much better uses for my time
> than trying to go back and update every source citation.
>
> I update them a few at a time when I'm working again on an
> individual or a particular family group.
>
> Connie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[GeoSci]

I still keep them - in fact I even enter new ones in my old format - I
find the output in reports more to my liking and think they are quite
good at sending anyone wishing to check them to the correct source -
in my mind the only requirement for a source.

If I have a totally new source - unlike any others - I have used SW.

Keith
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Keith A. McKain
McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 - # Mc17936

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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Connie Sheets  wrote:
> Angelique Welch  wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their
>> "older" sources
>> that were made with the basic source templates from older
>> versions, are
>> you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you
>> changing them over
>> to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way of
>> doing this?
>>
>
>
> My database was originally started in a different program back in the 1980s.  
> I have much better uses for my time than trying to go back and update every 
> source citation.
>
> I update them a few at a time when I'm working again on an individual or a 
> particular family group.
>
> Connie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Deborah Trounstine]

Hi Angelique,
If I understand correctly, you want to re-write your old sources using
the SW format and then attach all of the same people that you had
attached to the previous old source. Here are the steps I've been
taking. (If someone else has a better method, I'm sure they'll pipe up)
1. create your new SW source
2. go to View > Master Lists > Source
3. find your original "old" source in basic format and select it
4. click on "show list" - you will see a list of all the people attached
to that source.
5. (very important) decide what # tag you want to use for this exercise,
make sure it's showing in the "Individual tag:" box - then click "Untag
Everyone in File". This will clear all the tags of that number in your file.
6. then, on the same screen, click "tag everyone in list". This will tag
all of the people that you want associated with your new SW source.
7. close that window and get back to your main screen.
8. go to Tools > Advanced Sourcing
9. on the "which records to use" tab, select "Assign to all individuals
with tag: (whatever # tag you chose in step 6 above)
10. on the "where to assign citations" tab, select "Assign Citations to
individual information" and "specific fields" and chose which field/s
you want this source assigned to
11. then, click on the "Source Clipboard" button
12. when that opens, you will see "step 1: click here to select or
change the master source to cite" - click!
13. highlight and select your NEW SW source that you want to assign to
all these people, add any detail that you want and click save
14. now you should be back at the source clipboard window - click "apply"
15. all of your individuals now have the new source in the fields that
you chose.
If you want to no longer have any reference to your original "old"
source in these files:
16. return to View > Master Lists > Source
17. find your "old" source and click "show list"
18. choose "delete this master source and all citations to it"
And you're done :)
I know this looks like a lot of steps but once you've done it a couple
of times it takes no time at all. Especially compared to finding and
opening all those individual records to add the source one person at a
time. I've done this process to add a single source to 150 people at
once and it works great.
It might be a good idea to try a test first (you can always delete your
test source and all citations to it).
If you have any problems, let me know.
If anyone knows of a faster way to do this - yay!
Deborah


Marvin & Angelique Welch wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their "older" sources
> that were made with the basic source templates from older versions, are
> you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you changing them over
> to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way of doing this?
>
> I have been slowly re-adding my sources using SourceWriter one at a
> time, but there has to be an easier way of associating that older source
> with the newer one so I don't have to reconnect to each person again.
>
> I tried making a "mock" source with the basic format, connecting it to
> 1-2 people and also creating another "mock" source using SourceWriter
> and then combining them to see if that would be an easier way of
> connecting the people to the source. But it would not allow me to
> combine them.
>
> When the 7.0 was created, was there any discussion about how users could
> convert their older sources to the newer SourceWriter format?
>
> Thanks for any help on this
>
> Angelique
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Connie Sheets]

Angelique Welch  wrote:

> I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their
> "older" sources
> that were made with the basic source templates from older
> versions, are
> you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you
> changing them over
> to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way of
> doing this?
>


My database was originally started in a different program back in the 1980s.  I 
have much better uses for my time than trying to go back and update every 
source citation.

I update them a few at a time when I'm working again on an individual or a 
particular family group.

Connie






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[LegacyUG] Basic Sources v. SourceWriter

[Marvin & Angelique Welch]

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering what everyone else was doing with their "older" sources
that were made with the basic source templates from older versions, are
you keeping them just the way they are? Or, are you changing them over
to the SourceWriter? If so, what is the easiest way of doing this?

I have been slowly re-adding my sources using SourceWriter one at a
time, but there has to be an easier way of associating that older source
with the newer one so I don't have to reconnect to each person again.

I tried making a "mock" source with the basic format, connecting it to
1-2 people and also creating another "mock" source using SourceWriter
and then combining them to see if that would be an easier way of
connecting the people to the source. But it would not allow me to
combine them.

When the 7.0 was created, was there any discussion about how users could
convert their older sources to the newer SourceWriter format?

Thanks for any help on this

Angelique




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