[LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
Thanks for that clarification, Brian. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
If you open the Master Location List and click on the Sort button you will see that there are 9 spaces for you to define sort order. That is why I said Legacy can accept 9 levels. If you were able to put in more those beyond 9 cannot be used in sorting. You also cannot apply names to the 5 "extra" levels, they are named other 1 though other 5. Adding the ability to put a meaningful name to those levels would be a useful improvement (anyone want to make the suggestion) but I could not find anything like that in the list of suggested improvements. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 20/04/2012 8:35 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:28:54 -0700 Brian/Support wrote: > > > If you want/need to use other than the 4 "standard for the USA" levels > > the program will accept up to 9 levels separated by commas. > > I've never used the 4-field convention and I always put the full address > into the location, so I'm sure I have entries with more than 9 levels (8 > commas). > > As a test, I just created an entry with 29 fields: > > a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, > y, z, Morden, Surrey, England > > And Legacy seems to have accepted it OK. It even inserted spaces after > the first 25 of those commas. > > What does it mean that Legacy will accept up to 9 levels? > > Cheers > > Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
I think I've covered all the options in "customize" but didn't find one that told Legacy to find the error with initials.I like the Alarm setting: "It's late...go to bed." I need that one! > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Peggy, >The nice thing about going through your file and doing cleanup is that you >will find mistakes that you didn’t even know you had. One more thing about >names. When you have initials, make sure you put a space between them. > >J.E. Simmons is wrong >J. E. Simmons is right > >Legacy WILL find this error if you have that particular option turned on BUT >it WON'T find them in the AKA field even if you do have the option turned on. >This is a known bug and they programmers say that it is on their list to fix. > > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:40 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really >disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA >field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" in >the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not the >best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so it's >worth the time it takes. > >So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix or >suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even >though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmother disowned >for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. >One murderer though to make it interesting. > >I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the >long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it >would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? >Just on the locations I have left to clean up? > >Peggy > > >From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right >:) :) :) > >Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive >words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend >all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. >There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't >enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks >bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the >font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names >for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All >alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more >complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if >your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then >WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. > >Another thing about locations. > >You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also >enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell >Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. > >Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters >the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess >that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; >such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of >liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it >seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my >duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas >for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
You've inspired me to go into the Options >Customize box. There is actually an option for putting "Unknown" in blank fields. I thought Legacy's preference was to leave it blank. It was set to 'Unknown" but I used this box when I first started using Legacy so might have set it there myself. And for some reason, the individual list doesn't use "unknown" but puts the individuals without surnames at the top of the list. When adding new records "Reuse abandoned RINS" I thought I read some posts recently about not changing RINs? Well, there is a lot in this box so I'd best get busy! > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Peggy, >The nice thing about going through your file and doing cleanup is that you >will find mistakes that you didn’t even know you had. One more thing about >names. When you have initials, make sure you put a space between them. > >J.E. Simmons is wrong >J. E. Simmons is right > >Legacy WILL find this error if you have that particular option turned on BUT >it WON'T find them in the AKA field even if you do have the option turned on. >This is a known bug and they programmers say that it is on their list to fix. > > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:40 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really >disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA >field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" in >the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not the >best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so it's >worth the time it takes. > >So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix or >suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even >though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmother disowned >for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. >One murderer though to make it interesting. > >I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the >long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it >would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? >Just on the locations I have left to clean up? > >Peggy > > >From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right >:) :) :) > >Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive >words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend >all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. >There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't >enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks >bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the >font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names >for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All >alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more >complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if >your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then >WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. > >Another thing about locations. > >You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also >enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell >Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. > >Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters >the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess >that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering n
[LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:28:54 -0700 Brian/Support wrote: > If you want/need to use other than the 4 "standard for the USA" levels > the program will accept up to 9 levels separated by commas. I've never used the 4-field convention and I always put the full address into the location, so I'm sure I have entries with more than 9 levels (8 commas). As a test, I just created an entry with 29 fields: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, Morden, Surrey, England And Legacy seems to have accepted it OK. It even inserted spaces after the first 25 of those commas. What does it mean that Legacy will accept up to 9 levels? Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
My main error was not using the period at all. I think Legacy has a pop up that reminds me. Or maybe it's an ancestry pop-up? > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Peggy, >The nice thing about going through your file and doing cleanup is that you >will find mistakes that you didn’t even know you had. One more thing about >names. When you have initials, make sure you put a space between them. > >J.E. Simmons is wrong >J. E. Simmons is right > >Legacy WILL find this error if you have that particular option turned on BUT >it WON'T find them in the AKA field even if you do have the option turned on. >This is a known bug and they programmers say that it is on their list to fix. > > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:40 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really >disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA >field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" in >the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not the >best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so it's >worth the time it takes. > >So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix or >suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even >though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmother disowned >for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. >One murderer though to make it interesting. > >I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the >long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it >would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? >Just on the locations I have left to clean up? > >Peggy > > >From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right >:) :) :) > >Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive >words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend >all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. >There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't >enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks >bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the >font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names >for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All >alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more >complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if >your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then >WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. > >Another thing about locations. > >You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also >enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell >Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. > >Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters >the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess >that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; >such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of >liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it >seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my >duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas >for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep >scrolling up to the to merge them. > >I have a lot of research to do for other countries
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Thanks for reminding me to snip. I keep forgetting. Maybe I'll find out more about those archives since cheatsheets would be so much easier than trying to google it every time. Someday I will need the prefix - I have a relative by marriage who is a Rev. and another who is an M.D. (That would be a suffix and I have to find out if I'm putting the periods in the right place) but they aren't entered yet. No Jr. or Sr. as yet. So far middle names or initials are always different. I would like to try the group, though I will have to file away a lot of info since I'm not "there" yet. Hope I don't miss how to join it on the Legacy "news." > > From: Tessa >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:01 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >There are all kinds of way to make Legacy work for you. I like the >surnames in all caps (and customization tab will take care of that); I >use the suffix for farm names of my Norwegian ancestors which is >really nice; if you have doctors or priests or nuns or juniors or >seniors or III's etc., you will have a use for prefix section; I >really spent some time with Wikipedia, FamilySearch, the Archives of >each Country that I have ancestors (Canada, Newfoundland (pre-Canada), >Ireland, Sweden, Norway, USA) to make up cheatsheets for >town/village/city, county, state, province, and country variations (it >is different depending on the country but you can come up with >standard system that works for you); the same for events, sources, and >all other master lists. It really is a process of playing around and >determining what works for you within the parameters of best >practices. Nothing is written in stone, but there are better, more >efficient ways of data entry. Legacy is super customizable and you can >definitely spend some time with it and make it work for you. Our May >Legacy Virtual User Group meeting is going to discuss tagging and our >June LVUG meeting is going to discuss customization. Always something >new to learn! (Don't know if I have this snipping thing down in the >forum yet) > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
Oh yes - let's always remember to run a Potential Problems report - I fix so many things this way! On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: > Peggy, > The nice thing about going through your file and doing cleanup is that you > will find mistakes that you didn’t even know you had. One more thing about > names. When you have initials, make sure you put a space between them. > > J.E. Simmons is wrong > J. E. Simmons is right > > Legacy WILL find this error if you have that particular option turned on BUT > it WON'T find them in the AKA field even if you do have the option turned on. > This is a known bug and they programmers say that it is on their list to fix. > > > Michele > > > From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:40 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > > I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really > disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA > field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" > in the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not > the best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so > it's worth the time it takes. > > So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix > or suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even > though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmother disowned > for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. > One murderer though to make it interesting. > > I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the > long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it > would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? > Just on the locations I have left to clean up? > > Peggy > > > From: Michele Lewis > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > > You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right > :) :) :) > > Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive > words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend > all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. > There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't > enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks > bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the > font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names > for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All > alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more > complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into > if your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then > WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. > > Another thing about locations. > > You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also > enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell > Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. > > Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) > > Michele > > > From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > > Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically > enters the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I > can't mess that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of > entering names; such as not entering anything into the name field if it is > unknown. I kind of liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of > the list anyhow, it seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that > after I merge my duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then > use the commas for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have > to keep scrolling up to the to merge them. > > I have a lot of research to do for other countries. Ron gave me some good > links. but so far I don't have a large percent of people. Most ancestors > originated f
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
Peggy, The nice thing about going through your file and doing cleanup is that you will find mistakes that you didn’t even know you had. One more thing about names. When you have initials, make sure you put a space between them. J.E. Simmons is wrong J. E. Simmons is right Legacy WILL find this error if you have that particular option turned on BUT it WON'T find them in the AKA field even if you do have the option turned on. This is a known bug and they programmers say that it is on their list to fix. Michele From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" in the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not the best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so it's worth the time it takes. So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix or suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmother disowned for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. One murderer though to make it interesting. I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? Just on the locations I have left to clean up? Peggy From: Michele Lewis To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right :) :) :) Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. Another thing about locations. You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) Michele From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep scrolling up to the to merge them. I have a lot of research to do for other countries. Ron gave me some good links. but so far I don't have a large percent of people. Most ancestors originated from Ireland and England, a few from Scotland (in the line I'm researching now) so eventually I will have to do that research for sure. Peggy p Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTr
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There are all kinds of way to make Legacy work for you. I like the surnames in all caps (and customization tab will take care of that); I use the suffix for farm names of my Norwegian ancestors which is really nice; if you have doctors or priests or nuns or juniors or seniors or III's etc., you will have a use for prefix section; I really spent some time with Wikipedia, FamilySearch, the Archives of each Country that I have ancestors (Canada, Newfoundland (pre-Canada), Ireland, Sweden, Norway, USA) to make up cheatsheets for town/village/city, county, state, province, and country variations (it is different depending on the country but you can come up with standard system that works for you); the same for events, sources, and all other master lists. It really is a process of playing around and determining what works for you within the parameters of best practices. Nothing is written in stone, but there are better, more efficient ways of data entry. Legacy is super customizable and you can definitely spend some time with it and make it work for you. Our May Legacy Virtual User Group meeting is going to discuss tagging and our June LVUG meeting is going to discuss customization. Always something new to learn! (Don't know if I have this snipping thing down in the forum yet) -- Tessa Keough Guild No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users Group Surnames - Keough, Murphy, Aylward, Kocevar, Lidman, Zagradisnik Places - Ireland, Newfoundland, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden, USA (New York, Illinois, Missouri, Nebraska, Washington) Blogs - The Keough Corner and Scandia Musings & More On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Marg Strong wrote: > I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really > disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA > field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" > in the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not > the best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so > it's worth the time it takes. >SNIP > Michele > > > Peggy > SNIP > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
I'm so glad to hear that Legacy doesn't recommend all caps anymore. I really disliked the way that looked and never used it. I've learned to use the AKA field instead of the nickname in quotes. I've been tempted to use "unknown" in the blank name fields, but restrained myself because I read that is not the best thing to do. I have learned quite a bit just reading this list so it's worth the time it takes. So far I haven't had any, or anything that I remember, to put in the prefix or suffix fields. And I've no reason to think I'll need peerage titles, even though we do have the usual family myth about the great grandmotherdisowned for marrying a commoner. :) Lots of "laborers" and no royalty in this line. One murderer though to make it interesting. I've messed up on the short location name, just pasting the same as in the long field. Now I would have to redo that too. Maybe some day. I wonder if it would be too messy if I started doing it now as I'm working on the clean up? Just on the locations I have left to clean up? Peggy > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:15 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right >:) :) :) > >Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive >words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend >all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. >There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't >enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks >bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the >font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names >for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All >alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more >complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if >your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then >WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. > >Another thing about locations. > >You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also >enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell >Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. > >Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) > >Michele > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters >the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess >that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; >such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of >liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it >seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my >duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas >for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep >scrolling up to the to merge them. > >I have a lot of research to do for other countries. Ron gave me some good >links. but so far I don't have a large percent of people. Most ancestors >originated from Ireland and England, a few from Scotland (in the line I'm >researching now) so eventually I will have to do that research for sure. > >Peggy >p > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You can change how the date displays in Legacy so you must have it set right :) :) :) Names are pretty straight forward. You don't want to put any descriptive words in the blanks such as infant, baby, child etc. They do not recommend all caps for the last name anymore. Enter the name Michele Lynn Simmons. There is a way you can have it print in all caps if you want it to but don't enter the name that way. (I would never print it that way because it looks bad. If you want the surname in all caps the proper way is to reduce the font by 2 point sizes so that you have small caps). Always use maiden names for females. There are separate blanks to put prefixes and suffixes. All alternate spellings and nicknames go in the AKA field. It gets a little more complicated for patronymic names and peerage titles which you will run into if your research is in the UK. Slaves are entered with their first and then WHERE they were a slave as their last name in case you do any AA research. Another thing about locations. You will enter Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, United States BUT you can also enter a short location name like this Purvis, Lamar Co, MS. You can tell Legacy to print reports using the short location name if you want. Legacy will let you do all kinds of things :) Michele From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep scrolling up to the to merge them. I have a lot of research to do for other countries. Ron gave me some good links. but so far I don't have a large percent of people. Most ancestors originated from Ireland and England, a few from Scotland (in the line I'm researching now) so eventually I will have to do that research for sure. Peggy p Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
Thanks for the book recommendation. I like the way Legacy automatically enters the date according to the default (maybe the default I set?) so I can't mess that up. I have read a bit more about the standard ways of entering names; such as not entering anything into the name field if it is unknown. I kind of liked using "unknown" but since they end up at the top of the list anyhow, it seems better to do it the standard way. I'm thinking that after I merge my duplicate locations (result of sloppy entering) I could then use the commas for the countries that have four locations. Then I won't have to keep scrolling up to the to merge them. I have a lot of research to do for other countries. Ron gave me some good links. but so far I don't have a large percent of people. Most ancestors originated from Ireland and England,a few from Scotland(in the line I'm researching now) so eventually I will have to do that research for sure. Peggy > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:27 PM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >You can use the sort button within the Master Location List. If you have used >the 4 location fields it will sort correctly no matter in which order you tell >it to search. You are correct, if you have other countries mixed in that have >more than 4 fields it will mess up your sort a bit but it is easy to scan >through the list and skip those. Even if you don’t publish anything, if you >share data with other people (especially those people who do follow the >standards) it will make it easier. > >Locations are not the only thing that are standardized. Dates and names are >too :) There is a book that explains all of this. > >Getting it Right: The Definitive Guide to Recording Family History Accurately >by Mary H. Slawson. It just so happens that the author uses Legacy as her >database program so the screen shots in the book will look real familiar >though it is an older version. > > >Michele > > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:12 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thanks, Michele. So, if I understand it, using the standardized location >entries for countries where it works, is considered the way to do it by the >Family History Library. It makes searching easier, sharing data easier, and >results look more professional. > >If you don't mind helping me further, how does it make searching easier? Is it >because if I want to do a report based on counties, the only way is if I have >the standard location entries? >My goal isn't so much to look professional, (I don't intend to publish) but to >be accurate in my sourcing (including locations) so family members who want to >carry on from where I stop, will have what they most need. > >I would have to have a better grasp of each country to come up with my own >standardized locations if they are different. And if I am able eventually to >do that, what will that do to the reasons for standardizing to the FHL? >Wouldn't it mess up searching? > >Thanks again for taking the time to reply! > >LegacyLists.asp > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I will contact you off list since this is off topic. I am interested and I have a couple of questions for you :) Michele -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:12 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Microfilm of what? Their transcriptions?? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
You can use the sort button within the Master Location List. If you have used the 4 location fields it will sort correctly no matter in which order you tell it to search. You are correct, if you have other countries mixed in that have more than 4 fields it will mess up your sort a bit but it is easy to scan through the list and skip those. Even if you don’t publish anything, if you share data with other people (especially those people who do follow the standards) it will make it easier. Locations are not the only thing that are standardized. Dates and names are too :) There is a book that explains all of this. Getting it Right: The Definitive Guide to Recording Family History Accurately by Mary H. Slawson. It just so happens that the author uses Legacy as her database program so the screen shots in the book will look real familiar though it is an older version. Michele From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:12 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Thanks, Michele. So, if I understand it, using the standardized location entries for countries where it works, is considered the way to do it by the Family History Library. It makes searching easier, sharing data easier, and results look more professional. If you don't mind helping me further, how does it make searching easier? Is it because if I want to do a report based on counties, the only way is if I have the standard location entries? My goal isn't so much to look professional, (I don't intend to publish) but to be accurate in my sourcing (including locations) so family members who want to carry on from where I stop, will have what they most need. I would have to have a better grasp of each country to come up with my own standardized locations if they are different. And if I am able eventually to do that, what will that do to the reasons for standardizing to the FHL? Wouldn't it mess up searching? Thanks again for taking the time to reply! LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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If you want/need to use other than the 4 "standard for the USA" levels the program will accept up to 9 levels separated by commas. Someone in this thread suggested that 4 levels also apply to Canada. That is not necessarily true and is totally unnecessary for finding vital records of Birth, Death Marriage (BMD). In Canada those records are centralized at the Provincial level once civil registration of those events started (the date varies by province). Before civil registrations started the principal BMD records are from church records and the location of those records varies by time period, denomination etc. In USA research the specification of a county is vital to finding the location of records since civil registrations of BMD are recorded at the County level, usually the county courthouse. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 20/04/2012 11:09 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: > 1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the Family > History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the authority when it > comes to genealogical research > 2) Standardizing your locations makes searching easier, sharing data easier, > and makes your research look more professional > > HOWEVER, the standard 4 place locations does not work for every country. You > CAN standardize these places to 4 fields using the Geocode BUT if you do that > you will lose some levels of jurisdiction for those countries that have more > than 4. What I do for other countries is I try to standardize all of the > locations within that country to the same number of location fields > > Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Microfilm of what? Their transcriptions?? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Michele Lewis Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Microfilm :) Michele -Original Message- From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:26 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) On 2012/04/20 17:09, Michele Lewis wrote: > 1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the > Family History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the > authority when it comes to genealogical research But NOT, probably, for UK records! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
Thanks, Michele. So, if I understand it, using the standardized location entries for countries where it works, is considered the way to do it by the Family History Library. It makes searching easier, sharing data easier, and results look more professional. If you don't mind helping me further, how does it make searching easier? Is it because if I want to do a report based on counties, the only way is if I have the standard location entries? My goal isn't so much to look professional, (I don't intend to publish) but to be accurate in my sourcing (including locations) so family members who want to carry on from where I stop, will have what they most need. I would have to have a better grasp of each country to come up with my own standardized locations if they are different. And if I am able eventually to do that, what will that do to the reasons for standardizing to the FHL? Wouldn't it mess up searching? Thanks again for taking the time to reply! > > From: Michele Lewis >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:09 AM >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the Family >History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the authority when it >comes to genealogical research >2) Standardizing your locations makes searching easier, sharing data easier, >and makes your research look more professional > >HOWEVER, the standard 4 place locations does not work for every country. You >CAN standardize these places to 4 fields using the Geocode BUT if you do that >you will lose some levels of jurisdiction for those countries that have more >than 4. What I do for other countries is I try to standardize all of the >locations within that country to the same number of location fields > >Michele > > > >From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:51 AM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can never find what I'm searching >for in the archives. Is there then a useful purpose for doing this comma thing >with Canadian or USA locations? I need to see the reason why it is helpful >before changing the rest of my location list. Some locations are unclear as to >whether the name is of a town, township, or county which makes it even more >difficult. > >________ >From: Ron Ferguson >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:25 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Peggy, > >This is a question for our American friends, personally I hate " ,"s. >Regarding British locations I cannot see they serve any useful purpose, >since the 4 field convention does not work, and is not applicable, for our >locations in any event. > >Ron Ferguson >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > >From: Marg Strong >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:12 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thank you so much for the detailed reply, Ron. That helps explain something >that has confused me. Some records show an ancestor as being located in >England, while others, use "Great Britain" or "UK" or "United Kingdom". I >really need to brush up on the history as the time is coming when I will >need to venture further than ancestry.com to find sources. I'm clicking >through to your links and bookmarking them to read as soon as I have a spare >bit of time. And when I put all this together into a "book" form for family, >I want to include history. Knowing the history of the places our ancestor's >came from makes them more "real." To me, at least. > > > >I haven't found the Geo Location database helpful so far, because if I don't >have at least part of a county name, it doesn't give me one or several >possibilities, except on rare occasions. Guess I was hoping for an easier >way, but so far, I've used a web search for county, if it's in my direct >line. The others I leave empty. > > >As I'm working to clean up my location list (Thank Heaven for the "combine" >function) I started using the commas to indicate place. I don't really >understand why, but it seemed to be the thing recommended. Is there a useful >purpose for this? Does it help Gedcom transfers? Or is it useful in Legacy >searches? If not, it is a pain because it pops the location to the top of >the list and when I combine, I have to scroll up to the top to find
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Yup, Mike, you are so right. For a long time a number of us have been pressing them directly and through publications to stop using it for our locations, and the new records which Family Search are now publishing seem to have accepted the arguments put to them. We cannot be certain, but we are optimistic. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:25 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) On 2012/04/20 17:09, Michele Lewis wrote: > 1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the Family > History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the authority when > it > comes to genealogical research But NOT, probably, for UK records! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Microfilm :) Michele -Original Message- From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:26 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) On 2012/04/20 17:09, Michele Lewis wrote: > 1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the > Family History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the > authority when it comes to genealogical research But NOT, probably, for UK records! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 2012/04/20 17:09, Michele Lewis wrote: > 1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the Family > History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the authority when it > comes to genealogical research But NOT, probably, for UK records! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options)
1) This is the standard of the largest repository in the world, the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, which is considered the authority when it comes to genealogical research 2) Standardizing your locations makes searching easier, sharing data easier, and makes your research look more professional HOWEVER, the standard 4 place locations does not work for every country. You CAN standardize these places to 4 fields using the Geocode BUT if you do that you will lose some levels of jurisdiction for those countries that have more than 4. What I do for other countries is I try to standardize all of the locations within that country to the same number of location fields Michele From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can never find what I'm searching for in the archives. Is there then a useful purpose for doing this comma thing with Canadian or USA locations? I need to see the reason why it is helpful before changing the rest of my location list. Some locations are unclear as to whether the name is of a town, township, or county which makes it even more difficult. From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Peggy, This is a question for our American friends, personally I hate " ,"s. Regarding British locations I cannot see they serve any useful purpose, since the 4 field convention does not work, and is not applicable, for our locations in any event. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:12 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Thank you so much for the detailed reply, Ron. That helps explain something that has confused me. Some records show an ancestor as being located in England, while others, use "Great Britain" or "UK" or "United Kingdom". I really need to brush up on the history as the time is coming when I will need to venture further than ancestry.com to find sources. I'm clicking through to your links and bookmarking them to read as soon as I have a spare bit of time. And when I put all this together into a "book" form for family, I want to include history. Knowing the history of the places our ancestor's came from makes them more "real." To me, at least. I haven't found the Geo Location database helpful so far, because if I don't have at least part of a county name, it doesn't give me one or several possibilities, except on rare occasions. Guess I was hoping for an easier way, but so far, I've used a web search for county, if it's in my direct line. The others I leave empty. As I'm working to clean up my location list (Thank Heaven for the "combine" function) I started using the commas to indicate place. I don't really understand why, but it seemed to be the thing recommended. Is there a useful purpose for this? Does it help Gedcom transfers? Or is it useful in Legacy searches? If not, it is a pain because it pops the location to the top of the list and when I combine, I have to scroll up to the top to find the place where I need to combine it. Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can never find what I'm searching for in the archives. Is there then a useful purpose for doing this comma thing with Canadian or USA locations? I need to see the reason why it is helpful before changing the rest of my location list. Some locations are unclear as to whether the name is of a town, township, or county which makes it even more difficult. > > From: Ron Ferguson >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:25 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Peggy, > >This is a question for our American friends, personally I hate " ,"s. >Regarding British locations I cannot see they serve any useful purpose, >since the 4 field convention does not work, and is not applicable, for our >locations in any event. > >Ron Ferguson >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > >From: Marg Strong >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:12 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Thank you so much for the detailed reply, Ron. That helps explain something >that has confused me. Some records show an ancestor as being located in >England, while others, use "Great Britain" or "UK" or "United Kingdom". I >really need to brush up on the history as the time is coming when I will >need to venture further than ancestry.com to find sources. I'm clicking >through to your links and bookmarking them to read as soon as I have a spare >bit of time. And when I put all this together into a "book" form for family, >I want to include history. Knowing the history of the places our ancestor's >came from makes them more "real." To me, at least. > > > >I haven't found the Geo Location database helpful so far, because if I don't >have at least part of a county name, it doesn't give me one or several >possibilities, except on rare occasions. Guess I was hoping for an easier >way, but so far, I've used a web search for county, if it's in my direct >line. The others I leave empty. > > >As I'm working to clean up my location list (Thank Heaven for the "combine" >function) I started using the commas to indicate place. I don't really >understand why, but it seemed to be the thing recommended. Is there a useful >purpose for this? Does it help Gedcom transfers? Or is it useful in Legacy >searches? If not, it is a pain because it pops the location to the top of >the list and when I combine, I have to scroll up to the top to find the >place where I need to combine it. > > >Peggy > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Peggy, This is a question for our American friends, personally I hate " ,"s. Regarding British locations I cannot see they serve any useful purpose, since the 4 field convention does not work, and is not applicable, for our locations in any event. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Marg Strong Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:12 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) Thank you so much for the detailed reply, Ron. That helps explain something that has confused me. Some records show an ancestor as being located in England, while others, use "Great Britain" or "UK" or "United Kingdom". I really need to brush up on the history as the time is coming when I will need to venture further than ancestry.com to find sources. I'm clicking through to your links and bookmarking them to read as soon as I have a spare bit of time. And when I put all this together into a "book" form for family, I want to include history. Knowing the history of the places our ancestor's came from makes them more "real." To me, at least. I haven't found the Geo Location database helpful so far, because if I don't have at least part of a county name, it doesn't give me one or several possibilities, except on rare occasions. Guess I was hoping for an easier way, but so far, I've used a web search for county, if it's in my direct line. The others I leave empty. As I'm working to clean up my location list (Thank Heaven for the "combine" function) I started using the commas to indicate place. I don't really understand why, but it seemed to be the thing recommended. Is there a useful purpose for this? Does it help Gedcom transfers? Or is it useful in Legacy searches? If not, it is a pain because it pops the location to the top of the list and when I combine, I have to scroll up to the top to find the place where I need to combine it. Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thank you so much for the detailed reply, Ron. That helps explain something that has confused me. Some records show an ancestor as being located in England, while others, use "Great Britain" or "UK" or "United Kingdom". I really need to brush up on the history as the time is coming when I will need to venture further than ancestry.com to find sources. I'm clicking through to your links and bookmarking them to read as soon as I have a spare bit of time. And when I put all this together into a "book" form for family, I want to include history. Knowing the history of the places our ancestor's came from makes them more "real." To me, at least. I haven't found the Geo Location database helpful so far, because if I don't have at least part of a county name, it doesn't give me one or several possibilities, except on rare occasions. Guess I was hoping for an easier way, but so far, I've used a web search for county, if it's in my direct line. The others I leave empty. As I'm working to clean up my location list (Thank Heaven for the "combine" function) I started using the commas to indicate place. I don't really understand why, but it seemed to be the thing recommended. Is there a useful purpose for this? Does it help Gedcom transfers? Or is it useful in Legacy searches? If not, it is a pain because it pops the location to the top of the list and when I combine, I have to scroll up to the top to find the place where I need to combine it. Peggy > > From: Ron Ferguson >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:50 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >Hi Peggy, > >Your problems with the UK locations are common, and pretty well entirely due >to the 'American' Four Field Convention, in particular to the false >assumption that is applies worldwide. It does not! Specifically it does not >apply to the locations of the UK. I address this question in my Blog at >http://bit.ly/8VDqTc and I would also recommend a visit to >http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm for a full description >of the history of our locations. Do also remember that until 1921/22 the >whole of Ireland was part of the UK, and that the Isle Of Man and the >Channel Isles are not, and never have been. > >Unfortunately the compilers of the the Geo-Location Data Base decided that >all locations should be based on the 4 field convention – surprise, >surprise! It does not work for us. Their assumption that the UK and/or GB >are countries is incorrect. Great Britain is a geographic description of >England, Scotland and Wales, whilst the United Kingdom of Great Britain and >Northern Ireland is best regarded as an alliance or federation of countries >c.f. the European Community, we would not say that a location is Germany, >Europe, nor do we say Scotland, UK. > >The basic construct of a (fairly) modern e.g. English location is house, >street, district, town/city, county, England. So, how do we get the >Geo-Locator to work for our countries, since this clearly does not work? For >the purpose of using this tool *only* add ",UK" or ",GB" after "England" in >the main location - afterwards make sure that the location is correct by >deleting it afterwards. > >Personally, I do not use the Geo-Locator, I simply put the town in Google >Maps, if I need further information. > >Ron Ferguson >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > >From: Marg Strong >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:45 AM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location List (Geo options) > >I had hoped that when I installed the geo database, I could use the "button" >and it would give me one or more of the missing parts, such as county, or >province. If I enter something into the field it will give me suggestions >based on what I'm entering, but no help when I don't have any idea of what >to enter. If I've already entered the full location, it will pull that up; >but not for locations I haven't entered. > >When the source - right now those I'm finding on ancestry - lists a >location, it doesn't always include the county or province. The places I >know work out, because I know the county, but many are not familiar. How do >you find the complete information to enter into your location database? And >where do you check the information for older locations, where county lines, >for instance might have changed? Is there a website that gives good >information on United States and Canadian counties. > > > >I don't know if the locations in Ireland or England (I have a few) should
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I had hoped that when I installed the geo database, I could use the "button" and it would give me one or more of the missing parts, such as county, or province. If I enter something into the field it will give me suggestions based on what I'm entering, but no help when I don't have any idea of what to enter. If I've already entered the full location, it will pull that up; but not for locations I haven't entered. When the source - right now those I'm finding on ancestry- lists a location, it doesn't always include the county or province. The places I know work out, because I know the county, but many are not familiar. How do you find the complete information to enter into your location database? And where do you check the information for older locations, where county lines, for instance might have changed? Is there a website that gives good information on United States and Canadian counties. I don't know if the locations in Ireland or England (I have a few) should have four fields and if not, where would I put them? How do I know the equivelent to towns, townships, counties for different countries? Are there good websites out there to help? I've used google, but the results aren't always clear and it is more time taking than it would be if there were a website dedicated to this. Also how do you include the township information? I've been adding it to the city (if there is one) in parenthesis. Is that going to be a problem somewhere in the future? Thanks! Peggy (feeling more and more like a newbie every day) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
