[LegacyUG] Digest Option

2016-02-24 Thread Brian/Support
The option to have mail sent as a digest has been disabled on the Legacy 
User Group. Those users who had elected to receive digests have been set 
back to the regular mail option where each message is delivered as it is 
sent to the list.


Brian
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-18 Thread Art Seddon
I received Sherry's request after I sent the e:mail.

Why do you not drop it?

Art

- Original Message -
From: "Ron Bernier" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


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Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com

Since Aet and others have chosen to ignore Sherry's request to drop
this subject could Jim or someone else from Millennia please step in
and "ban" this topic omce and for all.

Thank you,
Ron Bernier



On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Art Seddon  wrote:
> Yep Mike. And I don't think anyone should be allowed to get behind the
> wheel
> of an automobile until he's driven at least 20,000 miles.
>
> The only way I was ever able to get experience doing anything from eating
> to
> making love was to do it the first time and then go on from there.
>
> And although 82 years old, my first personal computer was a 29 pound
> Compaq
> portable. That after working on an HP that the basic program was stored on
> a
> flexible piece of plastic about 2" x 8".
>
> You got to crawl before you can walk or run.
>
> Art Seddon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .
>
>
> gacyusers.com>
> X-SpamScore: 1.5tests=SGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER
> Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com
>
> vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
>> subscribed for very long.
>
> Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason
>
> LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
> Office
> and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the
> word
> "listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
> email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
> generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the
> list
> itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
> product
> that manages the list
>
>> 1. I have read many messages that were not
>> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
> elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative
> foray
> into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
> that
> computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
> mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the
> Internet
> before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire
> on
> the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and
> the
> Internet in general.
>
>> 2. I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
>> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that
> gets
> sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
> you're
> interested in it or not.
>
>> 3. My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
>> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
>> group.
>
> Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
> un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and
> Google,
> Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever
> reaching
> your Inbox. Mine does.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-18 Thread Laura Dunwald
Although I do not like reading messages that do not relate to the pure
subject of a "list" or "board", I can't help but comment.  I am 86, have
been there and done that with 8" disc micro-processor, later updating to the
new "compact" Compaq portable, and have just purchased my new 14.1" Windows
7.

I agree with Art Seddon about the only way to get experience.

There must not be a "few" of us "elderly" on this Users' Group.  Let's get
back to LEARNING something we need to know.

Laura

- Original Message -
From: "Art Seddon" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


Yep Mike. And I don't think anyone should be allowed to get behind the wheel
of an automobile until he's driven at least 20,000 miles.

The only way I was ever able to get experience doing anything from eating to
making love was to do it the first time and then go on from there.

And although 82 years old, my first personal computer was a 29 pound Compaq
portable. That after working on an HP that the basic program was stored on a
flexible piece of plastic about 2" x 8".

You got to crawl before you can walk or run.

Art Seddon

----- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


gacyusers.com>
X-SpamScore: 1.5tests=SGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER
Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com

vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.

Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason

LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
"listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
product
that manages the list

> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.

> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
you're
interested in it or not.

> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.

Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
your Inbox. Mine does.

--
Best regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-18 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham
I agree with Art totally.

 Elizabeth C

Art Seddon wrote:
> Yep Mike. And I don't think anyone should be allowed to get behind the wheel
> of an automobile until he's driven at least 20,000 miles.
>
> The only way I was ever able to get experience doing anything from eating to
> making love was to do it the first time and then go on from there.
>
> And although 82 years old, my first personal computer was a 29 pound Compaq
> portable. That after working on an HP that the basic program was stored on a
> flexible piece of plastic about 2" x 8".
>
> You got to crawl before you can walk or run.
>
> Art Seddon
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .
>
>
> gacyusers.com>
> X-SpamScore: 1.5tests=SGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER
> Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com
>
> vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
>> subscribed for very long.
>>
> Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason
>
> LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
> and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
> "listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
> email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
> generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
> itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
> product
> that manages the list
>
>
>> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
>> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>>
> People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
> elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
> into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
> that
> computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
> mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
> before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
> the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
> Internet in general.
>
>
>> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
>> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>>
> Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
> sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
> you're
> interested in it or not.
>
>
>> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
>> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
>> group.
>>
> Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
> un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
> Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
> your Inbox. Mine does.
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-18 Thread Ron Bernier
Since Aet and others have chosen to ignore Sherry's request to drop
this subject could Jim or someone else from Millennia please step in
and "ban" this topic omce and for all.

Thank you,
Ron Bernier



On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Art Seddon  wrote:
> Yep Mike. And I don't think anyone should be allowed to get behind the wheel
> of an automobile until he's driven at least 20,000 miles.
>
> The only way I was ever able to get experience doing anything from eating to
> making love was to do it the first time and then go on from there.
>
> And although 82 years old, my first personal computer was a 29 pound Compaq
> portable. That after working on an HP that the basic program was stored on a
> flexible piece of plastic about 2" x 8".
>
> You got to crawl before you can walk or run.
>
> Art Seddon
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .
>
>
> gacyusers.com>
> X-SpamScore: 1.5tests=SGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER
> Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com
>
> vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
>> subscribed for very long.
>
> Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason
>
> LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
> and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
> "listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
> email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
> generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
> itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
> product
> that manages the list
>
>> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
>> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
> elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
> into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
> that
> computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
> mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
> before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
> the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
> Internet in general.
>
>> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
>> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
> sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
> you're
> interested in it or not.
>
>> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
>> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
>> group.
>
> Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
> un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
> Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
> your Inbox. Mine does.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg.
>
>
>
> Legacy User Group guidelines:
>
>   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
>
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>
> Online
> technical support: http://www.L
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-17 Thread Art Seddon
Yep Mike. And I don't think anyone should be allowed to get behind the wheel
of an automobile until he's driven at least 20,000 miles.

The only way I was ever able to get experience doing anything from eating to
making love was to do it the first time and then go on from there.

And although 82 years old, my first personal computer was a 29 pound Compaq
portable. That after working on an HP that the basic program was stored on a
flexible piece of plastic about 2" x 8".

You got to crawl before you can walk or run.

Art Seddon

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


gacyusers.com>
X-SpamScore: 1.5tests=SGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER
Envelope-To: ased...@artseddon.com

vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.

Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason

LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
"listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
product
that manages the list

> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.

> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
you're
interested in it or not.

> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.

Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
your Inbox. Mine does.

--
Best regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Digest option

2009-12-17 Thread Lew Hartswick


-Original Message-
>From: apple1...@embarqmail.com
>Sent: Dec 16, 2009 7:07 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest option
>
>Over the last several days I have read this thread repeatedly. At the risk
>of incurring the wrath of many users, allow me to make a couple of
>observations. Out of all the responses received, only two stood out as being
>appropriate. I don't recall who made the comments, otherwise I would give
>them credit.
>
>1. This is Legacy's sand box, not ours, and they make the rules, not us.
>
>2. Learn to control your mailbox, do not let your mailbox control you.
>
>Enough said, now may we get back on the thread of Legacy and genealogical
>research.
>

Big grin. Yep I just (after two days) un-subscribed. :-)
   ...lew...



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[LegacyUG] digest option, No Way.

2009-12-16 Thread Mary Legarth
I have recently joined this Site, having used Legacy for   probably about 10 / 
12  years.

I have never, on other Sites, found Digest the best option for myself.

The only way I could save  e mails of Interest, on e.g. Rootsweb, was to resend 
the digest to myself, deleting all those I did not want to keep.

It became so complicated, that I now, Never subscribe to Digest.



Now, that I am in the advanced age group,  I need stuff to be uncomplicated.

Mary



From: Jim Walton [mailto:walton.geneal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 5:32 p.m.
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .



Mike,

I was in agreement with you until you went off on the "elderly." I for one, am 
elderly, not by my definition, but I am a senior citizen. I would venture to 
say, however, that I have more hours on the computer, and spend more hours 
online than the majority of users of this list, unless there are other 
"elderly" who match my history.

But, the fact I've been using personal computers since before CP/M days has 
nothing to do with this list. This is a users list to help other users with 
Legacy issues. (For you newbies out there, CP/M came before DOS, and before 
that there were no disks on a computer; pograms were loaded from a cassette 
tape.)

On the issue of this list, there seems to be a great interest in a digest mode 
and I would say, why not? I, for one, done like them, but others do. Does it 
hurt anyone to provide the customer what is wanted? I grew up in customer 
service and we had two basic rules. Rule #1. The customer is always right. Rule 
#2. Should the customer ever be wrong, refer to Rule #1.

My personal preference? A forum. As one of the other users said, it's a matter 
of preference. Yours is different than mine, and I certainly don't have a 
problem with that. As another user pointed out, in different words, the is the 
Legacy Users Group, not the Legacy Group. While Legacy may host it, it is the 
users that keep it alive and their preferences should be taken into account.

While it's been 40 years since I was a new user, I too have made all the new 
user mistakes.  But we all learn, and it helps if we learn from each other.

Jim Walton



On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:56 AM,  wrote:

vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.

Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason

LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
"listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software product
that manages the list


> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others) that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.


> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether you're
interested in it or not.


> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.

Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
your Inbox. Mine does.

--
Best regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.




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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option - for Mike

2009-12-16 Thread Ruth Nerud
Mike, how can you tell which of us Legacy users are elderly and which are
young? how do you define elderly? by age? wisdom? versatility? poor
spellers? Just curious.

Ruth
- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.

Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason

LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
"listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
product
that manages the list

> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.

> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
you're
interested in it or not.

> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.

Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
your Inbox. Mine does.

--
Best regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread Jim Walton
Mike,

I was in agreement with you until you went off on the "elderly." I for one,
am elderly, not by my definition, but I am a senior citizen. I would venture
to say, however, that I have more hours on the computer, and spend more
hours online than the majority of users of this list, unless there are other
"elderly" who match my history.

But, the fact I've been using personal computers since before CP/M days has
nothing to do with this list. This is a users list to help other users with
Legacy issues. (For you newbies out there, CP/M came before DOS, and before
that there were no disks on a computer; pograms were loaded from a cassette
tape.)

On the issue of this list, there seems to be a great interest in a digest
mode and I would say, why not? I, for one, done like them, but others do.
Does it hurt anyone to provide the customer what is wanted? I grew up in
customer service and we had two basic rules. Rule #1. The customer is always
right. Rule #2. Should the customer ever be wrong, refer to Rule #1.

My personal preference? A forum. As one of the other users said, it's a
matter of preference. Yours is different than mine, and I certainly don't
have a problem with that. As another user pointed out, in different words,
the is the Legacy Users Group, not the Legacy Group. While Legacy may host
it, it is the users that keep it alive and their preferences should be taken
into account.

While it's been 40 years since I was a new user, I too have made all the new
user mistakes.  But we all learn, and it helps if we learn from each other.

Jim Walton


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:56 AM,  wrote:

> vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> > subscribed for very long.
>
> Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason
>
> LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark
> Office
> and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the
> word
> "listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
> email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
> generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the
> list
> itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software
> product
> that manages the list
>
> > 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> > about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
> elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative
> foray
> into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
> that
> computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
> mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the
> Internet
> before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
> the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and
> the
> Internet in general.
>
> > 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> > directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that
> gets
> sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether
> you're
> interested in it or not.
>
> > 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> > of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> > group.
>
> Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
> un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and
> Google,
> Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever
> reaching
> your Inbox. Mine does.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread Todd Carnes
I use GMail and can assure you that it most certainly does have folders. GMail 
calls them labels.

First (web interface) solution - Create a Label called "LegacyUG". Then create 
a filter in GMail that asigns the label to any incoming email with [LegacyUG] 
in the subject and removes it from the inbox. GMail can remove them from your 
inbox in the same filter that is applying the labels. Problem solved.

Second (better) solution - don't use GMail's web interface. GMail supports both 
Pop3 & LDAP access. Access your GMail with a real email program, then filter & 
sort to your heart's content.

Todd

- Original Message -
  From: wlancest...@gmail.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


  Virginia -


  I am going to unsubscribe from this list until there is a digest version. 
There's too much clutter in my inbox and I do not have the time to read through 
it all to clean it up. I use Gmail and there's no "folder" option. That means 
every single email comes straight into my inbox and even with "labels" applied 
automatically, it's too much.


  I don't object to an active group; in fact, I love that there is such an 
active Legacy group. However, the volume is just too much for me to deal with 
each and every single email that comes in -- along with all of the other 
information I (and I'm sure others) take in over the course of a day.


  I'm certainly a loyal Legacy user, but plan to unsubscribe from this group 
immediately.


  Julie Wallace









  On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM,  wrote:

  I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been 
subscribed for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not about 
verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

  2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and 
not directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

  3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all 
kinds of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user 
group.

  Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:

  1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the 
list, or you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you think 
they're ignorant of something everybody else already knows about, -- send it 
only to that person.

  2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in 
the subject line, -- change the subject line.

  Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a 
folder called "geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that 
file and delete the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject line and 
that have no other intrinsic interest to me.

  I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume 
of individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.

  Virginia Schulman
  Northampton, Massachusetts


  --- On Wed, 12/16/09, jburns...@cox.net  wrote:


From: jburns...@cox.net 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Is there a digest option for group messages?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 12:15 PM


Are there list members who fail to change the subject of the email 
when using digest mode?  Yes,
that happens.  Good list managers usually give a gentle reminder to 
those folks.

I don't understand why anyone would oppose providing a choice of 
digest mode to list members.  That
seems odd.  Certainly, no one would be required to use digest mode 
if they didn't like it.

My original response was primarily directed toward, what I 
perceived as a rather one-sided view that
was posted regarding digest mode.  And, this will be my last 
posting regarding the subject. :-)

Judy
Oklahoma City





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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread marilyneb
If you use gmail, your messages should be threaded. Also, if you have gone
into "settings" you can set your messages to show snippets, usually showing
enough along with the subject to save or delete without ever opening the
email. You might also need to check in "settings" for threading

I will stop on the gmail suggestions but if you need more, send me a message
off list. I am better with gmail than Legacy.

Marilyn E.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM,  wrote:

> Virginia -
>
> I am going to unsubscribe from this list until there is a digest version.
> There's too much clutter in my inbox and I do not have the time to read
> through it all to clean it up. I use Gmail and there's no "folder" option.
> That means every single email comes straight into my inbox and even with
> "labels" applied automatically, it's too much.
>
> I don't object to an active group; in fact, I love that there is such an
> active Legacy group. However, the volume is just too much for me to deal
> with each and every single email that comes in -- along with all of the
> other information I (and I'm sure others) take in over the course of a day.
>
> I'm certainly a loyal Legacy user, but plan to unsubscribe from this group
> immediately.
>
> Julie Wallace
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
>> subscribed for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not about
>> verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>>
>>
>> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
>> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>>
>> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds of
>> spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user group.
>>
>> Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:
>>
>> 1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the list,
>> or you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you think
>> they're ignorant of something everybody else already knows about, -- send it
>> only to that person.
>>
>> 2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in the
>> subject line, -- change the subject line.
>>
>> Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a folder
>> called "geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that file
>> and delete the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject line and
>> that have no other intrinsic interest to me.
>>
>> I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume of
>> individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.
>>
>> Virginia Schulman
>> Northampton, Massachusetts
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, jburns...@cox.net * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: jburns...@cox.net 
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Is there a digest option for group messages?
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 12:15 PM
>>
>> Are there list members who fail to change the subject of the email when
>> using digest mode?  Yes,
>> that happens.  Good list managers usually give a gentle reminder to those
>> folks.
>>
>> I don't understand why anyone would oppose providing a choice of digest
>> mode to list members.  That
>> seems odd.  Certainly, no one would be required to use digest mode if they
>> didn't like it.
>>
>> My original response was primarily directed toward, what I perceived as a
>> rather one-sided view that
>> was posted regarding digest mode.  And, this will be my last posting
>> regarding the subject. :-)
>>
>> Judy
>> Oklahoma City
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Legacy User Group guidelines:
>>
>>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
>>
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>> messages after Nov. 21 2009:
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread whboswell
I used to get overwhelmed with a lot of messages from this list and asked about 
the digest mode myself several months ago because I was using Outlook 2000 and 
filtering to another folder didn't work very well.  I also tended to agree that 
the digest mode would be a pain when replying to individual messages within the 
digest.  I recently upgraded to Outlook 2007 and found it is very easy to set 
up a filter to forward all of the LUG messages to it's own folder.  It keeps 
the clutter down and you can view them when you want to without sifting through 
loads of messages.



Actually since the list has come back the volume of messages has been very 
light.  Filtering is the way to go.



Bill Boswell



From: wlancest...@gmail.com [mailto:wlancest...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .



Virginia -



I am going to unsubscribe from this list until there is a digest version. 
There's too much clutter in my inbox and I do not have the time to read through 
it all to clean it up. I use Gmail and there's no "folder" option. That means 
every single email comes straight into my inbox and even with "labels" applied 
automatically, it's too much.



I don't object to an active group; in fact, I love that there is such an active 
Legacy group. However, the volume is just too much for me to deal with each and 
every single email that comes in -- along with all of the other information I 
(and I'm sure others) take in over the course of a day.



I'm certainly a loyal Legacy user, but plan to unsubscribe from this group 
immediately.



Julie Wallace



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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread wlancestors
Virginia -

I am going to unsubscribe from this list until there is a digest version.
There's too much clutter in my inbox and I do not have the time to read
through it all to clean it up. I use Gmail and there's no "folder" option.
That means every single email comes straight into my inbox and even with
"labels" applied automatically, it's too much.

I don't object to an active group; in fact, I love that there is such an
active Legacy group. However, the volume is just too much for me to deal
with each and every single email that comes in -- along with all of the
other information I (and I'm sure others) take in over the course of a day.

I'm certainly a loyal Legacy user, but plan to unsubscribe from this group
immediately.

Julie Wallace





On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM,  wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not about
> verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds of
> spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user group.
>
> Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:
>
> 1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the list,
> or you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you think
> they're ignorant of something everybody else already knows about, -- send it
> only to that person.
>
> 2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in the
> subject line, -- change the subject line.
>
> Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a folder
> called "geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that file
> and delete the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject line and
> that have no other intrinsic interest to me.
>
> I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume of
> individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.
>
> Virginia Schulman
> Northampton, Massachusetts
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, jburns...@cox.net * wrote:
>
>
> From: jburns...@cox.net 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Is there a digest option for group messages?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 12:15 PM
>
> Are there list members who fail to change the subject of the email when
> using digest mode?  Yes,
> that happens.  Good list managers usually give a gentle reminder to those
> folks.
>
> I don't understand why anyone would oppose providing a choice of digest
> mode to list members.  That
> seems odd.  Certainly, no one would be required to use digest mode if they
> didn't like it.
>
> My original response was primarily directed toward, what I perceived as a
> rather one-sided view that
> was posted regarding digest mode.  And, this will be my last posting
> regarding the subject. :-)
>
> Judy
> Oklahoma City
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread toddcarnes
Ok, I'm done with it.

Todd

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


Ok - let's drop this before I have to call the list manager on you guys!

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: toddcar...@gmail.com [mailto:toddcar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

The issue wasn't that you weren't being "PC". The issue was that you were
being rude.

Todd

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


[snip]

Brian in CA :-)
PS - By the way, you managed to state my case much more eloquently than I.
May the PC Police never knock on your door.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Digest option

2009-12-16 Thread toddcarnes
True, this Legacy's "sand box", but without all of us who pay for the
program, Legacy would be playing all alone in the sand.

Whatever happened to "The customer's always right." ?

Personally, I just filter all the LegacyUG stuff to it's own folder & sort
by subject, but there's no real "good" reason why Legacy couldn't turn on
digest mode.

If their software doesn't support that feature, then they should have
invested in better mailing list software. It's a pretty basic feature of
most mailing lists.

Todd

- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest option


Over the last several days I have read this thread repeatedly. At the risk
of incurring the wrath of many users, allow me to make a couple of
observations. Out of all the responses received, only two stood out as being
appropriate. I don't recall who made the comments, otherwise I would give
them credit.

1. This is Legacy's sand box, not ours, and they make the rules, not us.

2. Learn to control your mailbox, do not let your mailbox control you.

Enough said, now may we get back on the thread of Legacy and genealogical
research.


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RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread sherry
Ok - let's drop this before I have to call the list manager on you guys!

Thanks for using Legacy.

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We are changing the world of genealogy!

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
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-Original Message-
From: toddcar...@gmail.com [mailto:toddcar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

The issue wasn't that you weren't being "PC". The issue was that you were
being rude.

Todd

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


[snip]

Brian in CA :-)
PS - By the way, you managed to state my case much more eloquently than I.
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread toddcarnes
The issue wasn't that you weren't being "PC". The issue was that you were
being rude.

Todd

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .


[snip]

Brian in CA :-)
PS - By the way, you managed to state my case much more eloquently than I.
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread marielle . stowe
I am 76 years young and can probably teach a thing or two to the younger
more knowledgeable members that you are referring to:

Just kidding of course, but I felt I had to say something.

M.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  wrote:

> Gosh, Mike, you're getting to sound more like me every day. And I did
> notice the happy face you included.
>
>
> Brian in CA :-)
> PS - By the way, you managed to state my case much more eloquently than I.
> May the PC Police never knock on your door.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> 
>
> People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
> elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative
> foray
> into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others)
> that
> computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
> mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the
> Internet
> before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
> the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and
> the
> Internet in general.
>
> 
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg.
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RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread brian
Gosh, Mike, you're getting to sound more like me every day. And I did notice 
the happy face you included.


Brian in CA :-)
PS - By the way, you managed to state my case much more eloquently than I.
May the PC Police never knock on your door.


-Original Message-



People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others) that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.



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[LegacyUG] Digest option

2009-12-16 Thread apple1945
Over the last several days I have read this thread repeatedly. At the risk
of incurring the wrath of many users, allow me to make a couple of
observations. Out of all the responses received, only two stood out as being
appropriate. I don't recall who made the comments, otherwise I would give
them credit.

1. This is Legacy's sand box, not ours, and they make the rules, not us.

2. Learn to control your mailbox, do not let your mailbox control you.

Enough said, now may we get back on the thread of Legacy and genealogical
research.


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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread mikefry
vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.

Strictly speaking, this is a mailing-list not a listserv. Reason

LISTSERV is a registered trademark with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office, PRV. As such, using the word
"listserv" to describe a different product or as a generic term for any
email-based mailing list of that kind is a trademark misuse. The standard
generic terms are electronic mailing list, elist, or email list for the list
itself, and email list manager or email list software for the software product
that manages the list

> 1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

People just don't know what they're supposed to be doing :-) We have many
elderly people on this list, and often, this is their first, tentative foray
into the world of electronic communication. I still believe (like others) that
computers should not be sold to the elderly without a Health Warning and a
mandatory exhortation to try and learn about how things work on the Internet
before they take the training wheels off. Failure to do so can cause ire on
the part of the younger and more knowledgeable members of this group and the
Internet in general.

> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

Tough! That's the nature of a mailing-list. You receive everything that gets
sent to the list - whether you want it or not and regardless of whether you're
interested in it or not.

> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.

Learn to manage your Inbox. Filters are very useful despite the slightly
un-intuitive way that they have been implemented by bothe Yahoo! and Google,
Alternatively, find an ISP that will stop 98% of the spam from ever reaching
your Inbox. Mine does.

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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread cnb46
I think the list is particularly "busy" right now because it has been
offline for such a long time.

I do not feel it onerous, though. I have my Mozilla Thunderbird email
set up with a filter to put Legacy User Group messages into their own
folder, so that I can browse them at my leisure.  I can also sort those
messages by subject, so that all related items are together. That makes
it easier to delete groups of messages that are not relevant to me at
this time.

I can always go back to the archives, if it turns out I've missed
something important.

Con



vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.
>
> Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:
>
> 1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the
> list, or you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you
> think they're ignorant of something everybody else already knows about,
> -- send it only to that person.
>
> 2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in
> the subject line, -- change the subject line.
>
> Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a folder
> called "geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that
> file and delete the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject
> line and that have no other intrinsic interest to me.
>
> I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume of
> individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.
>
> Virginia Schulman
> Northampton, Massachusetts
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, jburns...@cox.net //* wrote:
>
>
> From: jburns...@cox.net 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Is there a digest option for group messages?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 12:15 PM
>
> Are there list members who fail to change the subject of the email
> when using digest mode?  Yes,
> that happens.  Good list managers usually give a gentle reminder to
> those folks.
>
> I don't understand why anyone would oppose providing a choice of
> digest mode to list members.  That
> seems odd.  Certainly, no one would be required to use digest mode
> if they didn't like it.
>
> My original response was primarily directed toward, what I perceived
> as a rather one-sided view that
> was posted regarding digest mode.  And, this will be my last posting
> regarding the subject. :-)
>
> Judy
> Oklahoma City
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread n2kvs
vrsschul...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been
> subscribed for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not
> about verifying one's subscription, although that was the subject line.
>
> 2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not
> directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.
>
> 3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds
> of spam; now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user
> group.
>
> Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:
>
> 1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the
> list, or you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you
> think they're ignorant of something everybody else already knows about,
> -- send it only to that person.
>
A lot of people read the list and sending private answers defeats the
purpose of the list.  Many people learn new things by reading the
answers to other poster's question.  Please respond on list unless the
OP has specifically requested off list correspondence.


> 2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in
> the subject line, -- change the subject line.
>

NO NO NO!!
If you have a new subject start a new thread.  Do not hijack an existing
thread.  Changing the subject line does not change the thread that the
message is attached to and if the person with the answer to YOUR
question is ignoring the thread you attached your message to that person
will not see the message and you will not get your answer.  It is also
rude to hijack threads because doing so disrupts the flow of the
conversation in the thread.  Do your self and everyone else a favor and
hit new and start a new thread.


> Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a folder
> called "geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that
> file and delete the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject
> line and that have no other intrinsic interest to me.

Perfect example of threading.  If everyone started a new thread for a
new subject you could ignore the thread and you wouldn't have so much to
delete.

>
> I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume of
> individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.

I do not believe that a digest will ever happen on this list. (Search
the archives)  By learning the various capabilities of your email client
you can easily control your in-box.
>


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RE: [LegacyUG] digest option is one way . . .

2009-12-16 Thread vrsschulman
I would like to comment on this listserv, although I have not been subscribed 
for very long.  1.  I have read many messages that were not about verifying 
one's subscription, although that was the subject line.

2.  I have read many messages that appear to be totally personal and not 
directed to my attention, with misleading subject lines.

3.  My inbox was already filling up way too fast for me with all kinds of spam; 
now it's twice as full with individual messages from this user group.

Concluding suggestions, as one emailer to another:

1. When you're writing to thank someone for putting something on the list, or 
you're suggesting something to someone to do better, but you think they're 
ignorant of something everybody else already knows about, -- send it only to 
that person.

2.  When your message is for everyone but it is not well described in the 
subject line, -- change the subject line.

Temporarily, I have put all the Legacy User Group messages into a folder called 
"geneology," but it will take me a long time to go through that file and delete 
the many messages that are irrelevant to the subject line and that have no 
other intrinsic interest to me. 

I would like to know if others are feeling overwhelmed by the volume of 
individual messages.  We could all sign a petition asking for a digest.

Virginia Schulman
Northampton, Massachusetts


--- On Wed, 12/16/09, jburns...@cox.net  wrote:

From: jburns...@cox.net 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Is there a digest option for group messages?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 12:15 PM

Are there list members who fail to change the subject of the email when using 
digest mode?  Yes,
that happens.  Good list managers usually give a gentle reminder to those folks.

I don't understand why anyone would oppose providing a choice of digest mode to 
list members.  That
seems odd.  Certainly, no one would be required to use digest mode if they 
didn't like it.

My original response was primarily directed toward, what I perceived as a 
rather one-sided view that
was posted regarding digest mode.  And, this will be my last posting regarding 
the subject. :-)

Judy
Oklahoma City





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