RE: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
Have a read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Colonies Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:44 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions Our idea of statehood/nationhood was not 'understood' in early Amerivca. Create a naming system that shows you understand that no system existed, nor was 'correct'. I use Massachusetts Bay Colony for example. If your reader understands what you 'mean', it is good. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 5:38 PM Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
I use whatever the area was know as then and the present State, followed by Colonial America. As in Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts, Colonial America. or Monmouth County,New Jersey,Colonial America. It tells me what I want to know, and says it to others. Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
I agree that there is no obvious perfect solution, but I think consistency is good. Here is what I ended up using, after a bit of reading, including some previous LUG threads. I was also influenced by how the original source material named the locations. Tredyffin Twp, Chester, Province of Pennsylvania, British America Frederick County, Virginia Colony, British America Moorefield, Hampshire, Virginia Colony, British America Province of New Jersey, British America Tryon, Province of New York, British America Ward From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions Our idea of statehood/nationhood was not 'understood' in early Amerivca. Create a naming system that shows you understand that no system existed, nor was 'correct'. I use Massachusetts Bay Colony for example. If your reader understands what you 'mean', it is good. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 5:38 PM Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
Thank you everyone for your thoughts. It helps to know how others handle these things and then decide which seems to fit best for my purposes. I did follow the link to the Thirteen Colonies and will read it now. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
Thanks Scott. The link I followed was the first I came across British America. From: Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions I pretty much use British America for anything pre-1776. So, for someone living in Plymouth in, say 1750, I'd put: Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, British America While technically anything prior to the formation of the United States is properly called Province of Massachusetts Bay, my rationale is that I've shortened the formal to just Massachusetts in the same way that if I record something that happened today, I don't put Commonwealth of Massachusetts. However, prior to 1692, Massachusetts could only refer to Massachusetts Bay Colony -- not Plymouth. In this case, I'd likely put: Plymouth Colony, British America FWIW On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com wrote: So just simply: Scituate, Plymouth Colony is enough? It may be nit picky but I've got enough things now to correct without adding more! :) From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions Our idea of statehood/nationhood was not 'understood' in early Amerivca. Create a naming system that shows you understand that no system existed, nor was 'correct'. I use Massachusetts Bay Colony for example. If your reader understands what you 'mean', it is good. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 5:38 PM Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail
[LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
You are nit picking. What difference does it make? I grew up there in the Manomet area. I won't worry about it. Sam On 1/27/2013 5:38 PM, Marg Strong wrote: Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions
Our idea of statehood/nationhood was not 'understood' in early Amerivca. Create a naming system that shows you understand that no system existed, nor was 'correct'. I use Massachusetts Bay Colony for example. If your reader understands what you 'mean', it is good. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Early American Colonies - Location questions To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 5:38 PM Often the location given as Plymouth (County), Massachusetts, United States is not correct in Ancestry.com records. I've spent days trying to read the history and figure out what locations should be entered. The settlers were English primarily, but mostly self governing in those early days. Plymouth Colony was an English colonial venture in North America from 1620 to 1691. So how should that be entered? Simply the town name and Plymouth Colony? Or Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts since there are indications it was part of the larger Massachusetts Bay Colony? Should British Colony be used for the country field? Plymouth Colony was not formally divided into counties until June 2, 1685. After that it settles more easily into the county category, but I'm still not sure what to put in the country field. In 1686, the entire region was reorganized under a single government known as the Dominion of New England. So would the entry be: Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dominion of New England? Massachusetts became a state on February 6, 1788 and after that the location entries are easy. If anyone has figured out how to enter the locations in these early years, please help? I can't even seem to make educated guesses for these years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
