Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-17 Thread cranberryfrog
Unless the people are completely sourced, I would not add them to my
database.  I would use the book as a starting point to do my own research.

michele

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From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES
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I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members. Basically 300 pages of
FGS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each person had a
different detail about them. The quantity from the book should not affect
which to include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired of too much or how
many. Which relatives will you leave out because there might be TOO MANY
from one source.
Rich in LA CA



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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
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 Geoff includes all the info from a
 source in the source detail, whether the
 source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source
 such as a book of family
 history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many
 individuals and
 families.  This appears to be too much to include in a
 single source.

 Dean Adams

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-17 Thread atlantajm
Except that my mother wrote a book of short stories about her life and our 
family. It's hard to beat an eyewitness account as a source. (But then again, I 
have an interview with my uncle in which he disputes some of my mother's 
recollections so even eyewitness sources can be challenged.)





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Unless the people are completely sourced, I would not add them to my
atabase.  I would use the book as a starting point to do my own research.
michele
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I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members. Basically 300 pages of
GS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each person had a
ifferent detail about them. The quantity from the book should not affect
hich to include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired of too much or how
any. Which relatives will you leave out because there might be TOO MANY
rom one source.
ich in LA CA

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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 12:16 PM
 Geoff includes all the info from a
 source in the source detail, whether the
 source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source
 such as a book of family
 history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many
 individuals and
 families.  This appears to be too much to include in a
 single source.

 Dean Adams

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-17 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I agree with you in general, but I used this book as a (kind of) index to the 
various Norwegian census records. Then I combine/transcribe the census with the 
book and also the films of BMD. Since most (if not all) records support/verify 
each other I get a reliable database. I actually now have the similar books 
(photocopied)for about ten parishes. These books are basicly the 'skeleton' to 
hang my BMD facts onto.
Rich in LA CA


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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Saturday, September 17, 2011, 4:50 AM
 Unless the people are completely
 sourced, I would not add them to my
 database.  I would use the book as a starting point to
 do my own research.

 michele

 -Original Message-
 From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:46 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

 I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members.
 Basically 300 pages of
 FGS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each
 person had a
 different detail about them. The quantity from the book
 should not affect
 which to include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired
 of too much or how
 many. Which relatives will you leave out because there
 might be TOO MANY
 from one source.
 Rich in LA CA



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  From: Dean Adams dgadam...@gmail.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 12:16 PM
  Geoff includes all the info from a
  source in the source detail, whether the
  source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a
 source
  such as a book of family
  history handled?  It contains pages and pages on
 many
  individuals and
  families.  This appears to be too much to include
 in a
  single source.
 
  Dean Adams
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-17 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I agree.Rich in LA CA 
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Except that my mother wrote a book of short stories about her life and our 
family. It's hard to beat an eyewitness account as a source. (But then again, I 
have an interview with my uncle in which he disputes some of my 
mother's recollections so even eyewitness sources can be challenged.) 












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Unless the people are completely sourced, I would not add them to my
database.  I would use the book as a starting point to do my own research.

michele

-Original Message-
From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:46 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members. Basically 300 pages of
FGS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each person had a
different detail about them. The quantity from the book should not affect
which to include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired of too much or how
many. Which relatives will you leave out because there might be TOO MANY
from one source.
Rich in LA CA



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 From: Dean Adams dgadam...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 12:16 PM
 Geoff includes all the info from a
 source in the source detail, whether the
 source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source
 such as a book of family
 history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many
 individuals and
 families.  This appears to be too much to include in a
 single source.

 Dean Adams

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-16 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
I would transcribe that portion of the page that you are citing into the source 
detail text. No need to do too much more than that,

Geoff

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Geoff includes all the info from a source in the source detail, whether the 
source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source such as a book of family 
history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many individuals and families. 
 This appears to be too much to include in a single source.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-16 Thread Paula Ryburn
Geoff,
If you were quoting from the book in the Event Notes, would you ALSO put the
same text into the citation???  (in my case it's a long hand-written letter,
where I want the individual's narrative of his grandfather's story IN the
reports)
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams




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Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 2:29:16 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

I would transcribe that portion of the page that you are citing into the source
detail text. No need to do too much more than that,

Geoff

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

Geoff includes all the info from a source in the source detail, whether the
source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source such as a book of family
history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many individuals and families. 
This appears to be too much to include in a single source.

Dean Adams


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-16 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Dean:

In an ideal world the family history book would cite (or hint at) original 
sources that you could verify for yourself and cite.  Since this is 
unfortunately not the usual case, I use the book as a Master Source and break 
out abstracts or extracts as separate source details.  You might include the 
names, dates, and locations for a married couple and a list of their children 
as one source detail, and then the same type of information for one or more of 
their children and grandchildren as separate details.  Typically each of these 
individual citations would include content from only 1-2 pages of the book and 
would be condensed down into manageable chunks.

With each citation I would include any hints as to the origin of the data, such 
as “From a private letter to (the author of the book),” or “Family tradition 
says . . .”

You should be very wary of copying large sections of text verbatim from books 
under copyright, and I dislike obvious parroting of statements unless it is 
clearly shown as a quote.  I’m very tired of reading in modern trees, for 
example, that Michael Pierce (1615-1676) *was a captain of great bravery,* as 
if this was the compiler’s original thought, when the phrase actually comes 
from much earlier work that is rarely credited.

Legacy’s Master Source/Source Clipboard arrangement makes all of this fairly 
quick and easy.

Kirsten



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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

Geoff includes all the info from a source in the source detail, whether the
source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source such as a book of family
history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many individuals and
families.  This appears to be too much to include in a single source.

Dean Adams

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-16 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
Paula,

Is the book giving you information about an event that would belong in the 
person's timeline? If, for example, it told where the person lived in 1905, I 
would add a residence event, add the date, and add the transcription of the 
sentence/phrase/paragraph from the book to the event notes. This builds the 
person's timeline. Now, you would need to cite the book as the event's source, 
so yes, I'd simply copy/paste the transcription from the event notes into the 
source detail text. Takes a little extra effort at first, but in the long run 
you'll be glad it's in both places. However...since Legacy is so flexible, 
there are probably lots of ways to accomplish what you want it to. From my 
experience, this method provides the most flexibility and ease-of-analysis.

Geoff

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From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

Geoff,
If you were quoting from the book in the Event Notes, would you ALSO put the 
same text into the citation???  (in my case it's a long hand-written letter, 
where I want the individual's narrative of his grandfather's story IN the
reports)
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams




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Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 2:29:16 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

I would transcribe that portion of the page that you are citing into the source 
detail text. No need to do too much more than that,

Geoff

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

Geoff includes all the info from a source in the source detail, whether the 
source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source such as a book of family 
history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many individuals and families. 
 This appears to be too much to include in a single source.

Dean Adams


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-16 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members. Basically 300 pages of 
FGS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each person had a different 
detail about them. The quantity from the book should not affect which to 
include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired of too much or how many. Which 
relatives will you leave out because there might be TOO MANY from one 
source.
Rich in LA CA



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 From: Dean Adams dgadam...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 12:16 PM
 Geoff includes all the info from a
 source in the source detail, whether the
 source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source
 such as a book of family
 history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many
 individuals and
 families.  This appears to be too much to include in a
 single source.

 Dean Adams

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