Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
Tony Rolfe wrote: > I recently ran a potential problems report and found the following > situation: > > A woman had married and had children. > > The 1871 census shows her as a widow with several children, including a > 3-month-old daughter. Her husband had died in 1868. > > The 1881 census shows her being remarried with two more children born > after 1871 but before her new marriage and with her previous married > surname. > > So, these may have been adopted, they may be fathered by her new husband > before the marriage, or she may have had another, as yet undocumented, > relationship (or two). > > The three children born between the death of husband 1 and the marriage > to husband 2 were linked to husband 1 and showed up as potential > problems. I've unlinked the three children from their parents and > linked them to the mother, but now they each have an unknown father. > This poor woman shows up as having 5 husbands, three unknowns and two > with names. Is there any way to consolidate the 3 unknown spouses into > one, without actually creating someone called "Unknown"? It may be there was only one other man involved rather than three but I would keep them all separate until you know for sure. The baptismal register may have the "alleged father" named. Aternatively the poor law account books may have reference to the "alleged father" being pursued for maintenance. IME, this only happened where the mother was likely to be a charge on the parish (maintenance was only paid for the child though, not the mother). If she was able to support herself or her family were willing and able to do so (which seems to have happened much of the time), there won't be anything. One of my 2x great grandmothers never married but had 5 children. From the spacing, it seems there may have been up to three different men involved. She's shown with three unknown "husbands". I've never been able to find anything at all about who fathered her children. This is again where I would like to see an alternative to "Male" and "Husband". -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
...you may also find it helpful until you ascertain the correct parentage of each child to KEEP separate daddies for each of the kids but enclose ...for example Daddy1, Daddy2 Daddy3 in privacy brackets...this keeps them from appearing in print but still gives you full control over whether they appear in print Once exact parentage has been confirmed, the names can be changed to convict the guilty ---Original Message--- From: JLB Date: 8/8/2012 9:38:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands Maybe all 3 were fathered by different men.snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
Thanks for the advice so far. I can't merge these people because they don't appear in the name list. and I can't delete them as they are just "dummy" entries (RIN 0). When I right-click them I just get "Add the husband" or "Edit the marriage". Legacy is displaying them as unknown, which is correct, but is displaying them as different which we don't know is correct. I was just hoping to simplify the Pedigree view display and have just one unknown rather than 3, but it doesn't appear to work that way Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
Maybe all 3 were fathered by different men. It can happen. In the meantime, you can merge the 3 unknowns into 1 unknown using the Merge function. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 8/8/2012 5:24 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: > I recently ran a potential problems report and found the following > situation: > > A woman had married and had children. > > The 1871 census shows her as a widow with several children, including a > 3-month-old daughter. Her husband had died in 1868. > > The 1881 census shows her being remarried with two more children born > after 1871 but before her new marriage and with her previous married > surname. > > So, these may have been adopted, they may be fathered by her new husband > before the marriage, or she may have had another, as yet undocumented, > relationship (or two). > > The three children born between the death of husband 1 and the marriage > to husband 2 were linked to husband 1 and showed up as potential > problems. I've unlinked the three children from their parents and > linked them to the mother, but now they each have an unknown father. > This poor woman shows up as having 5 husbands, three unknowns and two > with names. Is there any way to consolidate the 3 unknown spouses into > one, without actually creating someone called "Unknown"? > > Advice would be appreciated > > thanks > > Tony > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5188 - Release Date: 08/08/12 > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
Tony, I should have mentioned, you could, of course, buy the birth certificates to see if a father is named on them. Also you may find references to the father in parish records (birth/baptism), and in court records if an application for maintenance was made. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:24 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands I recently ran a potential problems report and found the following situation: A woman had married and had children. The 1871 census shows her as a widow with several children, including a 3-month-old daughter. Her husband had died in 1868. The 1881 census shows her being remarried with two more children born after 1871 but before her new marriage and with her previous married surname. So, these may have been adopted, they may be fathered by her new husband before the marriage, or she may have had another, as yet undocumented, relationship (or two). The three children born between the death of husband 1 and the marriage to husband 2 were linked to husband 1 and showed up as potential problems. I've unlinked the three children from their parents and linked them to the mother, but now they each have an unknown father. This poor woman shows up as having 5 husbands, three unknowns and two with names. Is there any way to consolidate the 3 unknown spouses into one, without actually creating someone called "Unknown"? Advice would be appreciated thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
Tony, But from what you say Legacy isn't showing them correctly? It is merely confirming what you know, or rather don't, that the father is unknown. I have said many time on this list, the last time being this week, that by right clicking on the unknown father(s) and deleting they will be deleted from Family View etc. They will still appear in the Marriage List, but other than you who will read that list? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:24 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands I recently ran a potential problems report and found the following situation: A woman had married and had children. The 1871 census shows her as a widow with several children, including a 3-month-old daughter. Her husband had died in 1868. The 1881 census shows her being remarried with two more children born after 1871 but before her new marriage and with her previous married surname. So, these may have been adopted, they may be fathered by her new husband before the marriage, or she may have had another, as yet undocumented, relationship (or two). The three children born between the death of husband 1 and the marriage to husband 2 were linked to husband 1 and showed up as potential problems. I've unlinked the three children from their parents and linked them to the mother, but now they each have an unknown father. This poor woman shows up as having 5 husbands, three unknowns and two with names. Is there any way to consolidate the 3 unknown spouses into one, without actually creating someone called "Unknown"? Advice would be appreciated thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] a surfeit of husbands
I recently ran a potential problems report and found the following situation: A woman had married and had children. The 1871 census shows her as a widow with several children, including a 3-month-old daughter. Her husband had died in 1868. The 1881 census shows her being remarried with two more children born after 1871 but before her new marriage and with her previous married surname. So, these may have been adopted, they may be fathered by her new husband before the marriage, or she may have had another, as yet undocumented, relationship (or two). The three children born between the death of husband 1 and the marriage to husband 2 were linked to husband 1 and showed up as potential problems. I've unlinked the three children from their parents and linked them to the mother, but now they each have an unknown father. This poor woman shows up as having 5 husbands, three unknowns and two with names. Is there any way to consolidate the 3 unknown spouses into one, without actually creating someone called "Unknown"? Advice would be appreciated thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
