Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-05 Thread BARTON LEWIS 

Hi Cathy,


It occurred to me - Dropbox is of course "the Cloud" so I think what you 
were saying is that you do a manual back up of your PC to Dropbox; and 
you also have folders in Dropbox that you back up to an external hard 
drive.  For the manual backup to Dropbox, do you just upload your main 
folder with all files on your PC (usually "My Documents" or the C 
drive)?



Thanks,


Barton


On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:53 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


Here's my take on Legacy backups and how many to keep.
I don't use the Legacy Media backup for backing up my media. I keep 
attached media in Dropbox which is sort of a backup then include my 
Dropbox folders in my regular weekly backup to 2 external drives.

If you do use the Legacy Media backup you only need the last 2 or 3.

I make a Data backup every day I work on my database and more often if 
I'm adding a lot of data that day or using features that make global 
changes to the database.


The main thing with having backups is that you learn how to use them. 
If you don't know how to restore a Legacy data backup, then it's still 
not much use to you.
Here's more on using a data backup: You can restore a backup to a 
different name so there's no excuse not to try. If you know the 
process, you don't panic when you really need a backup as you know you 
can use your backups.


The next most important is that they're kept off your computer. If 
your computer goes down, backups on the computer aren't much use.
I save straight to Dropbox so in minutes my backup is off my computer 
and out of my house.
Then as stated above, my Dropbox gets backed up to external drives at 
least weekly.
(I also do a monthly backup of all my computer data. The weekly ones 
are incremental backups. The monthly is a mirror backup to a different 
external drive.)
A backup mantra is: Remember 3-2-1 (at least three copies on two 
different media types, one off-site).
There are nifty online backup options like Backblaze and iDrive but my 
internet upload speed is pathetic.


Keep enough backups so that you can recover from a glitch in your 
working database.
You may not discover the glitch for a while. Whether you revert 
entirely to the old backup or simply use it to retrieve a family or a 
branch or twig, or just use it to see what you had before you made the 
error, it's great to have. I've used them to recover when I realise 
I've used the source clipboard a lot with the wrong source on it - one 
of the reasons I now always use it with "prompt for detail" on. Also 
years ago I used to delete people when I thought they didn't belong 
only to discover later that they belonged in a different way - these 
days I only unlink.


The other reason to keep data backups is so that you can see your 
progress easily.
So I just thin old backups to one a month and for really old ones, one 
every six months... I have some backups going back to 1999 though 
there are a few years I can't find. I suspect they're on superseded 
media and I didn't transfer them to new media.
If you don't have old backups, or if you didn't take screenshots a 
year or 6 years ago, you can't do this sort of encouraging comparison 
as explained by Diane Gould Hall  Obviously not vital but nice.


Cathy



Brian Kelly Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:42 PM
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files 
you retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your 
hard drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a 
catastrophe like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having 
an older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly



BARTON LEWIS Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:27 PM
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should 
save these files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to 
be sure. Thank you.



Barton




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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-05 Thread BARTON LEWIS 

Hi Cathy,


Thanks for your input.  And for the article link - it is good to be 
prepared and know how to do this, before it is needed in the event of a 
hard drive failure or loss of data.



I have a Western Digital hard drive connected to my PC and it 
continually backs up.  I have not previously backed up to the Cloud, but 
will start doing so.  I guess there are several options for this.  I 
know one of them is through WD, so I may just choose that.  I have a 
Dropbox account but it annoys me that I can't find an icon which shows 
either my current plan or one that links to the Cloud back up that you 
reference.  I tend to quickly ignore sites that I don't find adequately 
intuitive or user-friendly.



I have used Toshiba laptops for 25 years - I think I've had 3 or 4 total 
- and I have never experienced a hard drive failure or loss of data (I 
recently purchased a new computer, a Dell, since Toshiba has stopped 
making PCs).  It amuses me that many of my friends on Macs have had that 
experience - despite their superiority.  That said, I believe it's 
foolish not to have a backup "out of the house" as you say in case, God 
forbid, the house ever burns down.



Barton





On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:53 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:


Here's my take on Legacy backups and how many to keep.
I don't use the Legacy Media backup for backing up my media. I keep 
attached media in Dropbox which is sort of a backup then include my 
Dropbox folders in my regular weekly backup to 2 external drives.

If you do use the Legacy Media backup you only need the last 2 or 3.

I make a Data backup every day I work on my database and more often if 
I'm adding a lot of data that day or using features that make global 
changes to the database.


The main thing with having backups is that you learn how to use them. 
If you don't know how to restore a Legacy data backup, then it's still 
not much use to you.
Here's more on using a data backup: You can restore a backup to a 
different name so there's no excuse not to try. If you know the 
process, you don't panic when you really need a backup as you know you 
can use your backups.


The next most important is that they're kept off your computer. If 
your computer goes down, backups on the computer aren't much use.
I save straight to Dropbox so in minutes my backup is off my computer 
and out of my house.
Then as stated above, my Dropbox gets backed up to external drives at 
least weekly.
(I also do a monthly backup of all my computer data. The weekly ones 
are incremental backups. The monthly is a mirror backup to a different 
external drive.)
A backup mantra is: Remember 3-2-1 (at least three copies on two 
different media types, one off-site).
There are nifty online backup options like Backblaze and iDrive but my 
internet upload speed is pathetic.


Keep enough backups so that you can recover from a glitch in your 
working database.
You may not discover the glitch for a while. Whether you revert 
entirely to the old backup or simply use it to retrieve a family or a 
branch or twig, or just use it to see what you had before you made the 
error, it's great to have. I've used them to recover when I realise 
I've used the source clipboard a lot with the wrong source on it - one 
of the reasons I now always use it with "prompt for detail" on. Also 
years ago I used to delete people when I thought they didn't belong 
only to discover later that they belonged in a different way - these 
days I only unlink.


The other reason to keep data backups is so that you can see your 
progress easily.
So I just thin old backups to one a month and for really old ones, one 
every six months... I have some backups going back to 1999 though 
there are a few years I can't find. I suspect they're on superseded 
media and I didn't transfer them to new media.
If you don't have old backups, or if you didn't take screenshots a 
year or 6 years ago, you can't do this sort of encouraging comparison 
as explained by Diane Gould Hall  Obviously not vital but nice.


Cathy



Brian Kelly Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:42 PM
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files 
you retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your 
hard drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a 
catastrophe like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having 
an older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly



BARTON LEWIS Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:27 PM
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason

Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-05 Thread Valerie Garton 
When I hover my cursor over a child in the children's section of the family 
page I cannot see who they are married too. ? How do I  make this come back 
please ?
I hope I have made this question clear !

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney - actually in Scilily 


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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-04 Thread Cathy Pinner 

Here's my take on Legacy backups and how many to keep.
I don't use the Legacy Media backup for backing up my media. I keep 
attached media in Dropbox which is sort of a backup then include my 
Dropbox folders in my regular weekly backup to 2 external drives.

If you do use the Legacy Media backup you only need the last 2 or 3.

I make a Data backup every day I work on my database and more often if 
I'm adding a lot of data that day or using features that make global 
changes to the database.


The main thing with having backups is that you learn how to use them. If 
you don't know how to restore a Legacy data backup, then it's still not 
much use to you.
Here's more on using a data backup: 

You can restore a backup to a different name so there's no excuse not to 
try. If you know the process, you don't panic when you really need a 
backup as you know you can use your backups.


The next most important is that they're kept off your computer. If your 
computer goes down, backups on the computer aren't much use.
I save straight to Dropbox so in minutes my backup is off my computer 
and out of my house.
Then as stated above, my Dropbox gets backed up to external drives at 
least weekly.
(I also do a monthly backup of all my computer data. The weekly ones are 
incremental backups. The monthly is a mirror backup to a different 
external drive.)
A backup mantra is: Remember 3-2-1 (at least three copies on two 
different media types, one off-site).
There are nifty online backup options like Backblaze and iDrive but my 
internet upload speed is pathetic.


Keep enough backups so that you can recover from a glitch in your 
working database.
You may not discover the glitch for a while. Whether you revert entirely 
to the old backup or simply use it to retrieve a family or a branch or 
twig, or just use it to see what you had before you made the error, it's 
great to have. I've used them to recover when I realise I've used the 
source clipboard a lot with the wrong source on it - one of the reasons 
I now always use it with "prompt for detail" on. Also years ago I used 
to delete people when I thought they didn't belong only to discover 
later that they belonged in a different way - these days I only unlink.


The other reason to keep data backups is so that you can see your 
progress easily.
So I just thin old backups to one a month and for really old ones, one 
every six months... I have some backups going back to 1999 though there 
are a few years I can't find. I suspect they're on superseded media and 
I didn't transfer them to new media.
If you don't have old backups, or if you didn't take screenshots a year 
or 6 years ago, you can't do this sort of encouraging comparison as 
explained by Diane Gould Hall 
 
Obviously not vital but nice.


Cathy



Brian Kelly 
Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:42 PM
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files you 
retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your hard 
drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a catastrophe 
like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having an 
older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly



BARTON LEWIS 
Tuesday, 3 July 2018 10:27 PM
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should 
save these files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to 
be sure. Thank you.



Barton




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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-04 Thread BARTON LEWIS 

thank you Brian.


Barton


On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:

Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should 
have some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files you 
retain should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your hard 
drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a catastrophe 
like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having an 
older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly

On 03-Jul-18 10:27 AM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in 
my Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the 
file, date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should 
save these files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to 
be sure. Thank you.



Barton



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Re: [LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-03 Thread Brian Kelly 
Zip files contain backups of your family file and media. You should have 
some backup plan for your data and media and which .zip files you retain 
should conform to that plan.


Where you keep backups is also important, some should be on your hard 
drive for immediate access, some on removable media for when your hard 
drive fails and at least one should be off-site in case a catastrophe 
like a fire or flood destroys your on-site backups.


I would suggest you keep at least some of the older backups, an error 
can creep into your file that you do not immediately notice, having an 
older backup can let you recover data from before the error.


Brian Kelly

On 03-Jul-18 10:27 AM, BARTON LEWIS wrote:
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in my 
Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the file, 
date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should save these 
files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to be sure. 
Thank you.



Barton



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[LegacyUG] deleting zip files in Data folder

2018-07-03 Thread BARTON LEWIS 
I am cleaning up files on my computer and see a lot of .zip files in my 
Legacy Family Tree>Data subfolder.  Many of them are named by the file, 
date and time and "media-zip".  Is there any reason I should save these 
files?  I am assuming zip files can be deleted but want to be sure.  
Thank you.



Barton

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