Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
Hmmm I thought it was only an event after the divorce, Until that its a happening.But perhaps the log everything everywhere applies to the census situation. Never too much data. Ian They told me I had type-A blood, but it was a Type-O. Ian Macaulay Carp, Ontario Open at 10:AM Close at 5:00 PM 45.2397 N long: 76.0991 W Elv 137 M UTM Don't Forget to Save the Stamps From: gerald To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:16 PM Subject: Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source "Marriage" is an all-emcompassing word. If you are speaking of the marriage CEREMONY, that is an event. It took place at a certain date and place. The marriage CERTIFFICATE is a source document, as a record of the event. But we tend to lump it all into one term as "marrriage" and we understand the meaning (usually) in context. The same with "census" -- is it the census taking, or the census report you mean? The census taking took place long ago (on one date and place), an event which is now recorded and referenced in the census report. Again, we tend to lump it all into one term. Ah, semantics. I wish you a speedy recovery. Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 5:57 PM From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs sourceSo a Marriage must also not be an event. The marriage certificate or license merely is a source for residences, ages, possible parental names, etc. I tried telling my wife that our marriage was not an event. The doctor said my scar should heal nicely. Brian in California Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
"Marriage" is an all-emcompassing word. If you are speaking of the marriage CEREMONY, that is an event. It took place at a certain date and place. The marriage CERTIFFICATE is a source document, as a record of the event. But we tend to lump it all into one term as "marrriage" and we understand the meaning (usually) in context. The same with "census" -- is it the census taking, or the census report you mean? The census taking took place long ago (on one date and place), an event which is now recorded and referenced in the census report. Again, we tend to lump it all into one term. Ah, semantics. I wish you a speedy recovery. Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 5:57 PM From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source So a Marriage must also not be an event. The marriage certificate or license merely is a source for residences, ages, possible parental names, etc. I tried telling my wife that our marriage was not an event. The doctor said my scar should heal nicely. Brian in California Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
From: Kathy Meyer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:07 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years, at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things, so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new users out there right? :-) I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!) Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just learned to use) I include the census page image in the Media portion of the event itself. Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth, name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise, if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it. So I know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each field that it applies to. S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH. I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from. If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier because I could attach the source to all the fields I guess. And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting too much in for the sake of reports and such. If I ever get everything cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share. Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a computer. Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. thanks! Kathy Kathy, Like you I’ve had to have a couple of years off, however whilst I have always used censuses as a source, I am continuing to use this method for the reasons which you describe so well. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
I don't think that census truly fits the real definition of an event in someone's life, but somebody in genealogy got started using it that way and it stuck. So, not likely we will be able to change it now. I never use it as an event, but I realize thousands do so. Jerry Boor MerriamFamilyTree.org On 10/17/2015 6:54 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote: >> I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's >> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular >> place. > I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself! >A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes > place." The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form > or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about > certain facts pertaining at that time. The making of a statement is an > even which took place. > > Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact". It is a > fact that people were recorded in a Census. > > Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits > them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be > entered as an Event/Fact in its own right. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote: > I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's > something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular > place. I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself! A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes place." The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about certain facts pertaining at that time. The making of a statement is an even which took place. Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact". It is a fact that people were recorded in a Census. Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be entered as an Event/Fact in its own right. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
On 17/10/2015 04:22, Steve Hayes wrote: > I usually include the bcensus as an event, because it gives both residence > and occupation, for which I would otherwise have to give make two separate > events, giving the same census as source for each. I agree. It also gives "context" for the residence information - whether the person is at home/at school/visiting relatives/visiting friends/etc. If the person is shown as a Boarder or Lodger it gives you an idea of the type of household. If you include the information about who else is in the household it can show some interesting things such as a visitor being someone who marries into the family some time later. Nicely worded Census Events can make much more interesting reading on a Report than a series of blunt facts about Residence and Occupation. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
On 17 Oct 2015 at 9:30, Cathy Pinner wrote: > I do both. I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's > something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular > place. It most definitely is a source. > One reason it's handy to enter census as an event is that it's so much > easier to check that you have found the person on every relevant census. I usually include the bcensus as an event, because it gives both residence and occupation, for which I would otherwise have to give make two separate events, giving the same census as source for each. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog:http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web:http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
Kathy, I do both. I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular place. It most definitely is a source. One reason it's handy to enter census as an event is that it's so much easier to check that you have found the person on every relevant census. However, when it comes to reporting, you may or may not want to include the census events. This is a choice you can make at the time. You can exclude all census events from a report and leave them just as sources by editing the Census Event Definition. You just check the Private checkbox on the Event Definition screen - reached either from View - Master Lists - Event Definition - Census OR when editing a Census event, click the Edit Event Definition button. Then when you run a report, don't include Master Events that are Private. They are omitted by default so you'd have to change the Privacy options for the Report. Cathy Jenny M Benson wrote: > > On 16/10/2015 21:07, Kathy Meyer wrote: >> >> I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years, >> at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some >> things, >> so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new >> users out there right? :-) >> >> I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!) >> Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully >> and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in >> the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just >> learned to use) I include the census page image in the Media portion of >> the event itself. >> >> Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth, >> name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly >> where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise, >> if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have >> to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it. So I >> know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each >> field >> that it applies to. >> >> S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing >> BOTH. >> I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the >> event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source >> details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the >> clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too >> much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from. >> If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier >> because I >> could attach the source to all the fields I guess. >> >> And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting >> too much in for the sake of reports and such. If I ever get everything >> cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share. >> Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a >> computer. >> >> Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. >> thanks! >> > > It sounds as though you are doing exactly what I do, so it sounds fine > to me! > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
Kathy, not sure what are you asking! So, I will offer some hopefully words of wisdom gained from 20+ year of ancestry research. Cleaning up data is always a good idea. Legacy offers several different reports and it depends on your personal preference as to how you want reports to include / to look. Example, I was scolded by an experienced TMG user that my reports included too much information from Census. Personally, I like all the information about the family group to be in my reports, that way I am more confident I am recording the correct family of interest (though I have been wrong). I have learned to hold my ancestry loosely so that when proven wrong it does not hurt so much when I have to delete what was believed to be a direct line. Using Legacy's Source Writer is always a good idea - don't get hung-up on the changes that have come about through the years. I do most (99.9%) my research on ancestry.com (copy/paste/download jpgs) and am careful to note all relevant information so that anyone looking at my notes/database would be able to find the source/record referenced. The few occurrences where I have actual source (photos, Bibles, birth/death/marriage certificates) I am careful to create a source that indicates where the actual source is at the time (though that may/will change with time). I too like to create a Census Event in the timeline of a persons life as that is a point in time where a person and or family can be pin-pointed at a particular place at a particular time. If the Census gives an address, I will create another Event that list Residence at that address with the Census as Source. Most of my family is rural so Residence/Address usually means a road name or Township/Range and sometimes only a Post Office which does not always mean they actually live in the County where the Post Office is located. Not sure any of this help. I too was once a newbeeflyingbytheseatofmypantswithoutanyguidancewantingtoknowmyfamilyhistory. Kathy, keep asking questions, keep digging, keep researching. The journey is worth all the setbacks and disinterested persons your encounter along the way. I do family research for me and me alone. If I can share something with others I consider it a bonus! Unfortunately there are A LOT of children living on planet earth today. Elizabeth Crauswell Verchio Know more about my ancestry today than I did while in my parents household. Nescire autem quid antequam natus sis acciderit, id est semper esse puerum. (To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.) ― Marcus Tullius Cicero On 10/16/2015 3:07 PM, Kathy Meyer wrote: I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years, at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things, so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new users out there right? :-) I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!)  Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just learned to use)  I include the census page image in the Media portion of the event itself. Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth, name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise, if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it. So I know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each field that it applies to. S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH. I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from.  If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier because I could attach the source to
Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source
On 16/10/2015 21:07, Kathy Meyer wrote: > I haven't worked on my family history much over the last couple of years, > at least not enough to remember the most useful way to record some things, > so I apologize up front if this is too basic - but there are always new > users out there right? :-) > > I'm finding things I sourced very poorly 'back when I started' (haha!) > Somewhere along the line I did start to use sources and events more fully > and I like creating the Census event and including ALL of the details in > the event notes (BTW - I L.O.V.E. the event sharing option that I just > learned to use) I include the census page image in the Media portion of > the event itself. > > Prior to using Events for that, I simply "sourced' entries, like birth, > name, etc. individually with the Census SOURCE so I would know exactly > where I got that information, which makes lots of sense to me; otherwise, > if I got the birth year (for instance) from the 1920 census, I would have > to guess that I got it from the Census EVENT and then go check it. So I > know I need to have that SOURCE with the census information for each field > that it applies to. > > S.right now, as I'm going through these old ones, I am doing BOTH. > I'm creating the Census EVENT and then adding the Census SOURCE to the > event itself (otherwise it wouldn't have all the nitty gritty source > details about where it was found etc) and then copying that source to the > clipboard and adding it to the applicable fields, which is seems like too > much but also seems necessary so that I know where information came from. > If I were creating an individual from scratch, it would be easier because I > could attach the source to all the fields I guess. > > And I don't mind the extra work itself, I just feel like I may be putting > too much in for the sake of reports and such. If I ever get everything > cleaned up well enough, I do want to turn it into book format to share. > Believe it or not, I actually have a family member who does NOT own a > computer. > > Sorry for the length of this; I would love to get your suggestions. thanks! > It sounds as though you are doing exactly what I do, so it sounds fine to me! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
