Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[singhals]

My experience agrees with Ron's observation that banns are
proclaimed/published/called in BOTH parishes under normal
circumstances.

And given the British usage of "book" to mean "reserve" I've
been assuming all along that was the date someone made the
arrangements to use the church or the priest for the ceremony.

FWIW.

Cheryl

Kathy Thompson wrote:
> Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of
> Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty,
> some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record
> the same couple.
>
>
> On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson
>  > wrote:
>
> Kathy,
>
> I do not know the meaning of "booked in" either, it may
> simply mean that the church involved had been booked for
> the marriage - hence the charity donation.
>
> It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since
> there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean
> marriage (which would be held after the proclamations
> had been completed).
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> Kathy Thompson  > wrote:
>
> The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
> I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage,
> and those dates were many years apart.
> The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much
> within a month's time frame, and after help from others
> privately and much further examination of the
> documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to
> show the calling of three banns in one parish
> (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a "booked
> in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
> As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage
> Banns", but since I don't yet know what "Booked In"
> means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage.
> Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record
> of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I
> suspect the third banns has declared them married, but
> is this the "married date" or not?
> Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across
> the two parishes though.
>
>
>
> On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support
>  > wrote:
>
> If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a
> second marriage -
> it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage
> and then add the
> second marriage with the new date. You can add a
> marriage note in the
> second marriage about the reason why they remarried.
> I don't think a
> note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you
> want to write
> something about that specifically and why they divorced.
>
> I have a contemporary situation where the kids
> decided for some reason
> that they didn't want anyone to know about their
> real wedding date and
> wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and
> wanted the second one
> to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first
> wedding in and
> marked it as Private with a note that this was the
> registered marriage
> and they "publicized" and celebrated the second
> marriage, which,
> although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with
> the state.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall
> mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married
> out-of-state by a Justice of the
>  > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were
> married in church. Both
>  > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a
> religious ceremony.
>  >
>  > In addition, there is another couple in the
> family who had two
>  > marriages--one was held here in the home parish
> of the bride, the other was
>  > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
>  >
>  > I'd like to hear how others have made entries
> into Legacy to cover  two
>  > marriages for the same couple?
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  > Lavern Hall



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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Lavern Hall]

Daniel,

What you describe is like the one in my family where the couple had two
marriages--one was held in the US ( parish of the bride), the other was
held in another country in the parish of the groom.

How did you record your two marriages in Legacy?

Thanks,
Lavern Hall


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Daniel Westergren  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As a new lurker here I can add another case with two weddings with no
> divorce in between. I and my wife married in a traditional wedding in
> Kenya, and a few months later married again in a church wedding in Sweden.
> The first one is the "official" one for her culture (although we don't have
> a written certificate), although the legally recognized wedding is the one
> in Sweden. I suppose it's not that common that a couple marry twice without
> a divorce in between... :)
>
> /Daniel
>
>
> 2013/10/23 Kathy Thompson 
>
>>  Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of Findo Gask,
>> while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away,
>> yet both parishes obviously record the same couple.
>>
>>
>> On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy,
>>>
>>> I do not know the meaning of "booked in" either, it may simply mean that
>>> the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity
>>> donation.
>>>
>>> It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a
>>> proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held
>>> after the proclamations had been completed).
>>>
>>> Ron Ferguson
>>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathy Thompson  wrote:
>>>
>>>  The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
>>> I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates
>>> were many years apart.
>>> The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time
>>> frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of
>>> the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling
>>> of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a
>>> "booked in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
>>> As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage Banns", but since I
>>> don't yet know what "Booked In" means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or
>>> a Marriage.
>>> Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple
>>> with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared
>>> them married, but is this the "married date" or not?
>>> Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support wrote:
>>>
 If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
 it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
 second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
 second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
 note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
 something about that specifically and why they divorced.

 I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
 that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
 wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
 to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
 marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
 and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
 although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall 
 wrote:
 > Hello,
 >
 >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice
 of the
 > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
 > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
 >
 > In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
 > marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the
 other was
 > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
 >
 > I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover
  two
 > marriages for the same couple?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Lavern Hall



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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Mike Fry]

On 2013/10/23 17:49, Alan Pereira wrote:
> An example, of which there are many, in the Sussex Marriage Index
>
> Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, Sussex,   Date: 21 Feb 1638/9:
> Thomas AKEHURST ofJevington a yeoman
> to
> Mary PAGE a spinster of Blachington
>
> East Blatchington, East Sussex,   Date: 19 Mar 1638/9:
> Thomas AKEHURST to Mary PAGE
>
> I believe the first to be a marriage by Licence and the second to be a Church 
> wedding.
> {Belt and Braces springs to mind]

I don't think so. The first is probably the Allegation. Part of the process of
obtaining the License, the other part would have been the Bond.

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Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Alan Pereira]

An example, of which there are many, in the Sussex Marriage Index

Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, Sussex,   Date: 21 Feb 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST ofJevington a yeoman
to
Mary PAGE a spinster of Blachington

East Blatchington, East Sussex,   Date: 19 Mar 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST to Mary PAGE

I believe the first to be a marriage by Licence and the second to be a Church 
wedding.
{Belt and Braces springs to mind]

Alan Pereira




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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Ron Ferguson]

Kathy,

It is my understanding that banns are called in the churches of both future 
partners.

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

ok, thanks Jenny - I'll make a not of that for future clarifications


On 23 October 2013 20:43, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> On 23/10/2013 11:20, Kathy Thompson wrote:
> > Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of Findo Gask,
> > while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away,
> > yet both parishes obviously record the same couple.
>
> A bit of Googling throws up a few mentions of this and apparently it
> means the recording of the marriage in the Parish Marriage Book.  This
> seems to be done in both Parishes where bride and groom are from
> different ones and does not necessarily record the date of the marriage.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Jenny M Benson]

On 23/10/2013 11:20, Kathy Thompson wrote:
> Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of Findo Gask,
> while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away,
> yet both parishes obviously record the same couple.

A bit of Googling throws up a few mentions of this and apparently it
means the recording of the marriage in the Parish Marriage Book.  This
seems to be done in both Parishes where bride and groom are from
different ones and does not necessarily record the date of the marriage.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Daniel Westergren]

Hi,

As a new lurker here I can add another case with two weddings with no
divorce in between. I and my wife married in a traditional wedding in
Kenya, and a few months later married again in a church wedding in Sweden.
The first one is the "official" one for her culture (although we don't have
a written certificate), although the legally recognized wedding is the one
in Sweden. I suppose it's not that common that a couple marry twice without
a divorce in between... :)

/Daniel


2013/10/23 Kathy Thompson 

> Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while
> the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both
> parishes obviously record the same couple.
>
>
> On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
>
>> Kathy,
>>
>> I do not know the meaning of "booked in" either, it may simply mean that
>> the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity
>> donation.
>>
>> It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a
>> proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held
>> after the proclamations had been completed).
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> Kathy Thompson  wrote:
>>
>> The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
>> I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates
>> were many years apart.
>> The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time
>> frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of
>> the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling
>> of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a
>> "booked in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
>> As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage Banns", but since I
>> don't yet know what "Booked In" means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or
>> a Marriage.
>> Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple
>> with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared
>> them married, but is this the "married date" or not?
>> Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes
>> though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support wrote:
>>
>>> If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
>>> it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
>>> second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
>>> second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
>>> note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
>>> something about that specifically and why they divorced.
>>>
>>> I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
>>> that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
>>> wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
>>> to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
>>> marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
>>> and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
>>> although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Sherry
>>> Technical Support
>>> Legacy Family Tree
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice
>>> of the
>>> > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
>>> > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
>>> >
>>> > In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
>>> > marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the
>>> other was
>>> > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
>>> > marriages for the same couple?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Lavern Hall
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

Thing is though that the "Booked In" is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while
the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both
parishes obviously record the same couple.


On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> I do not know the meaning of "booked in" either, it may simply mean that
> the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity
> donation.
>
> It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a
> proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held
> after the proclamations had been completed).
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> Kathy Thompson  wrote:
>
> The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
> I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates
> were many years apart.
> The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time
> frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of
> the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling
> of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a
> "booked in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
> As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage Banns", but since I
> don't yet know what "Booked In" means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or
> a Marriage.
> Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple
> with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared
> them married, but is this the "married date" or not?
> Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes
> though.
>
>
>
> On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support wrote:
>
>> If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
>> it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
>> second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
>> second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
>> note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
>> something about that specifically and why they divorced.
>>
>> I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
>> that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
>> wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
>> to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
>> marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
>> and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
>> although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice
>> of the
>> > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
>> > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
>> >
>> > In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
>> > marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other
>> was
>> > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
>> >
>> > I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
>> > marriages for the same couple?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Lavern Hall
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Ron Ferguson]

Kathy,

I do not know the meaning of "booked in" either, it may simply mean that the 
church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation.

It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation 
after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the 
proclamations had been completed).

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Kathy Thompson  wrote:

>The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
>I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were
>many years apart.
>The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time
>frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of
>the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling
>of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a
>"booked in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
>As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage Banns", but since I
>don't yet know what "Booked In" means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or
>a Marriage.
>Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with
>a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them
>married, but is this the "married date" or not?
>Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes
>though.
>
>
>
>On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support wrote:
>
>> If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
>> it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
>> second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
>> second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
>> note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
>> something about that specifically and why they divorced.
>>
>> I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
>> that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
>> wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
>> to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
>> marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
>> and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
>> although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall  wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of
>> the
>> > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
>> > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
>> >
>> > In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
>> > marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other
>> was
>> > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
>> >
>> > I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
>> > marriages for the same couple?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Lavern Hall
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry.
I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were
many years apart.
The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time
frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of
the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling
of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a
"booked in" between the 1st and 2nd banns calling.
As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as "Marriage Banns", but since I
don't yet know what "Booked In" means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or
a Marriage.
Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with
a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them
married, but is this the "married date" or not?
Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes
though.



On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support wrote:

> If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
> it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
> second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
> second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
> note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
> something about that specifically and why they divorced.
>
> I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
> that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
> wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
> to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
> marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
> and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
> although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of
> the
> > Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
> > marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
> >
> > In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
> > marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other
> was
> > held in another country in the parish of the groom.
> >
> > I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
> > marriages for the same couple?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lavern Hall
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Sherry/Support]

If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage -
it's as simple as that. You "end" the first marriage and then add the
second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the
second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a
note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write
something about that specifically and why they divorced.

I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason
that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and
wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one
to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and
marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage
and they "publicized" and celebrated the second marriage, which,
although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the
> Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
> marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.
>
> In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
> marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was
> held in another country in the parish of the groom.
>
> I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
> marriages for the same couple?
>
> Thanks,
> Lavern Hall



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RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Jennifer Crockett]

Looks like three proclamations 31 Aug, 14 Sep, 21 Sep 1766. And the “booked” 
date of 10 Sep 1776.
In my experience the marriage often took place at the same time as the third 
proclamation.

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Jennifer
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From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013 7:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record 
both dates?

Thank you Ron, I have posted this query on RootsChat, but I would be grateful 
for anyone to provide an answer.
Further examination of the Madderty record does show the couple mentioned twice 
about 2 weeks apart, and then another slightly ambigous entry a week later again
As such the four entries in total read in order of appearance:
Madderty - 1766 Aug 31  Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of 
Gask parish were proclaimed pro 1mo
Findo Gask - 1766 Sept 10  Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and 
Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual 
gave to the Poor
Madderty - 1766 Sept 14  Robert Marshal and Elizabeth Lawson proclaimed per a?
Madderty - 1766 Sept 21  The foregoing persons were proclaimed pro 3rd



On 21 October 2013 18:45, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
Kathy,

I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the question.

However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for his 
opinion.

Please let me know.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/





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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

Wonderful - thanks Ron, very much appreciate it


On 21 October 2013 19:13, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> I habe now confirmed that a proclamation is the Scottish equivalent of the
> English banns but do not yet know about "booked".
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Ron Ferguson]

Kathy,

I habe now confirmed that a proclamation is the Scottish equivalent of the 
English banns but do not yet know about "booked".

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

Thank you Ron, I have posted this query on RootsChat, but I would be
grateful for anyone to provide an answer.

Further examination of the Madderty record does show the couple mentioned
twice about 2 weeks apart, and then another slightly ambigous entry a week
later again
As such the four entries in total read in order of appearance:
Madderty - 1766 Aug 31  Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson
of Gask parish were proclaimed pro 1mo
Findo Gask - 1766 Sept 10  Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and
Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as
usual gave to the Poor
Madderty - 1766 Sept 14  Robert Marshal and Elizabeth Lawson proclaimed per
a?
Madderty - 1766 Sept 21  The foregoing persons were proclaimed pro 3rd





On 21 October 2013 18:45, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the
> question.
>
> However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for
> his opinion.
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Ron Ferguson]

Kathy,

I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the question.

However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for his 
opinion.

Please let me know.

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

Thanks Mike. Will follow your suggestions, and yes I'm quite glad that
event names can be easily changed if needed without having to re-enter
every detail.


On 21 October 2013 16:56, Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2013/10/21 03:04, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>
> > The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
> > 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask
> parish
> > were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but since
> I can't
> > post images to the group.)
> >
> > The later in Findo Gask reads:
> > 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth
> Lawson in
> > this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the
> Poor
>
> I've no experience with Scottish records. Their laws are very different to
> those
> applied by the Established Church in England and Wales. But to me, it
> looks like
> others have opined: an actual marriage followed by the recording of the
> marriage
> in the second parish. You should probably take this to a mailing list or
> newsgroup dealing with the interpretation of Scottish records.
>
> That deals with the generally OT Discussion. Now, back to how to handle the
> events in Legacy :-)
>
> Two events would be my solution. Pending more informed information about
> Scottish records, the 'normal' marriage and, as Ron ventured, an Alt.
> Marriage
> event. The second event can always be adjusted (read replaced) at a later
> time.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg (g)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Mike Fry]

On 2013/10/21 03:04, Kathy Thompson wrote:

> The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
> 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish
> were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but since I 
> can't
> post images to the group.)
>
> The later in Findo Gask reads:
> 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in
> this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor

I've no experience with Scottish records. Their laws are very different to those
applied by the Established Church in England and Wales. But to me, it looks like
others have opined: an actual marriage followed by the recording of the marriage
in the second parish. You should probably take this to a mailing list or
newsgroup dealing with the interpretation of Scottish records.

That deals with the generally OT Discussion. Now, back to how to handle the
events in Legacy :-)

Two events would be my solution. Pending more informed information about
Scottish records, the 'normal' marriage and, as Ron ventured, an Alt. Marriage
event. The second event can always be adjusted (read replaced) at a later time.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Lavern Hall]

Hello,

 I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of
the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both
marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony.

In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two
marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was
held in another country in the parish of the groom.

I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover  two
marriages for the same couple?

Thanks,
Lavern Hall


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

>  now that makes sense - fingers crossed Mike & Ron can help confirm that.
> I know I'm going to need to record why there are the two in my marriage
> notes so that I and others in the family don't get confused in years to
> come.
>
>
> On 21 October 2013 11:57, Charles Apple  wrote:
>
>>  Kathy,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the
>> transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . .
>> Proclaimed” husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the
>> actual marriage ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked
>> in Order of Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish
>> administrative issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and
>> recorded into the records of Gask parish.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can
>> provide additional information.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM
>>
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to
>> record both dates?
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
>> 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask
>> parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but
>> since I can't post images to the group.)
>>
>> The later in Findo Gask reads:
>> 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth
>> Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to
>> the Poor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson  wrote:***
>> *
>>
>> Definite the same couple.
>> One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish
>> The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish.
>> No mention of banns in either.
>> Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help.
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> > On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson 
>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > Kathy,
>> >
>> > Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being
>> Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with
>> the same names - although because of the additional information given this
>> is less likely with Scottish records than English.
>> >
>> > It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in
>> which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.
>> >
>> > Ron Ferguson
>> > http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Charles Apple]

Kathy,



I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the 
transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . . Proclaimed” 
husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the actual marriage 
ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked in Order of 
Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish administrative 
issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and recorded into the 
records of Gask parish.



I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can 
provide additional information.



Charles



From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
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both dates?



The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish 
were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but since I 
can't post images to the group.)

The later in Findo Gask reads:
1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in 
this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor








On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

Definite the same couple.
One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish
The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish.
No mention of banns in either.
Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help.

Kathy

> On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
>

> Kathy,
>
> Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are 
> you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same 
> names - although because of the additional information given this is less 
> likely with Scottish records than English.
>
> It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which 
> case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/






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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

now that makes sense - fingers crossed Mike & Ron can help confirm that.
I know I'm going to need to record why there are the two in my marriage
notes so that I and others in the family don't get confused in years to
come.


On 21 October 2013 11:57, Charles Apple  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> ** **
>
> I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the
> transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . .
> Proclaimed” husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the
> actual marriage ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked
> in Order of Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish
> administrative issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and
> recorded into the records of Gask parish.
>
> ** **
>
> I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can
> provide additional information.
>
> ** **
>
> Charles
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM
>
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to
> record both dates?
>
> ** **
>
> The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
> 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask
> parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but
> since I can't post images to the group.)
>
> The later in Findo Gask reads:
> 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth
> Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to
> the Poor
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson  wrote:
>
> Definite the same couple.
> One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish
> The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish.
> No mention of banns in either.
> Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help.
>
> Kathy
>
> > On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson 
> wrote:
> >
>
> > Kathy,
> >
> > Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being
> Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with
> the same names - although because of the additional information given this
> is less likely with Scottish records than English.
> >
> > It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in
> which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.
> >
> > Ron Ferguson
> > http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> 
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

The earlier marriage in Madderty reads:
1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask
parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_   (I can't make out the last two words but
since I can't post images to the group.)

The later in Findo Gask reads:
1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson
in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the
Poor







On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

> Definite the same couple.
> One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish
> The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish.
> No mention of banns in either.
> Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help.
>
> Kathy
>
> > On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Kathy,
> >
> > Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being
> Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with
> the same names - although because of the additional information given this
> is less likely with Scottish records than English.
> >
> > It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in
> which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.
> >
> > Ron Ferguson
> > http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Kathy Thompson]

Definite the same couple.
One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish
The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish.
No mention of banns in either.
Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help.

Kathy

> On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
>
> Kathy,
>
> Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are 
> you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same 
> names - although because of the additional information given this is less 
> likely with Scottish records than English.
>
> It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which 
> case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Ron Ferguson]

Kathy,

Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are 
you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names 
- although because of the additional information given this is less likely with 
Scottish records than English.

It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which 
case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?

[Mike Fry]

On 2013/10/20 08:34, Kathy Thompson wrote:
> I have a Scottish couple who married in two parishes on two dates.
>
> 31/08/1766 in Madderty, Perth
> and then again on
> 10/09/1766 in Findo Gask, Perth
>
> Both marriage dates are valid and correct for each parish, so how should I
> record these?

Are you sure that the earlier date is not for a reading of the Banns?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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