Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Cheryl Rothwell
Clarify for me please. Joshua's comment implies the church controls Legacy.
I understand the people at Legacy (and some other gen software) are at
least predominately church members but I thought the software was
independent and not a church product.


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think the reference to it not being included in version 8 is that
 version 8 is already nearing release and there is no time to make that
 change - not that legalities etc need to be dealt with
 perhaps in 8.5 or 9 we can hope


 On 17 August 2013 14:29, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Are you sure about that?  The church has shifted it's position on gays
 (they stopped objecting to gay scouts, for example).   If you ask them
 again, they might approve it for 8.0.

 Joshua

   --
  *From:* Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:56 PM
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???


 This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

  Original Message 
  From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
 change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a
 work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are
 exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is
 made in Microsoft Access.
 
  After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
 make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file
 in
 Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:
 
  1. Start MS Access.
  2. Click on File and select Open.
  3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
 press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb
 extension.
  4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
  Change the gender of one of the partners:
  5.  Open the table named tblIR.
  6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
 individual.
  7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
  8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
 Female = 1.
  9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
  10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access
 
  Jim
 
  Legacy Family Tree
  Technical Support
 
 
   Original Message 
   From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
  
   I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
 date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Ron Ferguson
Cheryl,

You are correct.

Ron Ferguson


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Cheryl Rothwell historysle...@gmail.com wrote:

Clarify for me please. Joshua's comment implies the church controls Legacy.
I understand the people at Legacy (and some other gen software) are at
least predominately church members but I thought the software was
independent and not a church product.


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think the reference to it not being included in version 8 is that
 version 8 is already nearing release and there is no time to make that
 change - not that legalities etc need to be dealt with
 perhaps in 8.5 or 9 we can hope


 On 17 August 2013 14:29, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Are you sure about that?  The church has shifted it's position on gays
 (they stopped objecting to gay scouts, for example).   If you ask them
 again, they might approve it for 8.0.

 Joshua

   --
  *From:* Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:56 PM
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???


 This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

  Original Message 
  From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
 change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a
 work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are
 exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is
 made in Microsoft Access.
 
  After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
 make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file
 in
 Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:
 
  1. Start MS Access.
  2. Click on File and select Open.
  3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
 press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb
 extension.
  4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
  Change the gender of one of the partners:
  5.  Open the table named tblIR.
  6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
 individual.
  7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
  8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
 Female = 1.
  9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
  10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access
 
  Jim
 
  Legacy Family Tree
  Technical Support
 
 
   Original Message 
   From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
  
   I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
 date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Sherry/Support
That's correct Cheryl. Legacy is not owned nor controlled by the
church.

Not only would it require extensive re-writing of Legacy's code to
allow same-sex relationships, there would also be a ripple effect that
would affect several of the Legacy add-on programs made by other
companies.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Cheryl Rothwell
historysle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Clarify for me please. Joshua's comment implies the church controls Legacy.
 I understand the people at Legacy (and some other gen software) are at least
 predominately church members but I thought the software was independent and
 not a church product.


 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think the reference to it not being included in version 8 is that
 version 8 is already nearing release and there is no time to make that
 change - not that legalities etc need to be dealt with
 perhaps in 8.5 or 9 we can hope


 On 17 August 2013 14:29, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Are you sure about that?  The church has shifted it's position on gays
 (they stopped objecting to gay scouts, for example).   If you ask them
 again, they might approve it for 8.0.

 Joshua




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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Michele Lewis
As with any company, the personal values and religious beliefs of the owners 
influence how the company operates.  It is Legacy’s prerogative to not have 
same sex marriages within the program.  If this is a problem for anyone then 
they can use another software program that doesn’t have this limitation.



Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Ronald Bernier
Cheryl,

What you understand is correct.  Legacy (Millennia) is a private company.  The 
owners' beliefs may determine the direction that the software takes, but 
contrary to Joshua's comment(s) the Church does not control the content of 
Legacy.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Rothwell historysle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Clarify for me please. Joshua's comment implies the church controls Legacy. I 
 understand the people at Legacy (and some other gen software) are at least 
 predominately church members but I thought the software was independent and 
 not a church product.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Larry Lee
Interesting thread. I have requested this feature for some time and realize
the programming implications described by Sherry.

I am not LDS, however, I believe any genealogy program that does not tie in
closely to LDS de facto standards and programs is self-limiting.



Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Ronald Bernier ronaldbern...@icloud.comwrote:

 Cheryl,

 What you understand is correct.  Legacy (Millennia) is a private company.
  The owners' beliefs may determine the direction that the software takes,
 but contrary to Joshua's comment(s) the Church does not control the content
 of Legacy.

 Ron Bernier
 Woonsocket, RI
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Cheryl Rothwell historysle...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Clarify for me please. Joshua's comment implies the church controls
 Legacy. I understand the people at Legacy (and some other gen software) are
 at least predominately church members but I thought the software was
 independent and not a church product.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread singhals
Joshua Levy wrote:

 Are you sure about that? The church

/WHICH/ Church, please?  There are several, after all.


Cheryl



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread Sherry/Support
LDS  aka Mormon


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:09 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
 Joshua Levy wrote:

 Are you sure about that? The church

 /WHICH/ Church, please?  There are several, after all.


 Cheryl



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-17 Thread singhals
Ah.

Merci.

Cheryl

Sherry/Support wrote:
 LDS  aka Mormon


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:09 AM, singhalssingh...@erols.com  wrote:
 Joshua Levy wrote:

 Are you sure about that? The church

 /WHICH/ Church, please?  There are several, after all.


 Cheryl




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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Kathy Thompson
I got around the gender selection issue for a same gender relationship by 
adding the spouse as an unattached individual to start with, then after 
entering name and gender and saving them, I attached him to his spouse.

Hope that helps

On 17/08/2013, at 8:21 AM, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a same Gender marriage I am trying to enter and I changed “Husband” to 
 Spouse but Legacy will not let me select “F” for Female.  It is greyed out 
 and the “M” is selected.  Is there a way to correctly enter same gender 
 marriages?  If not is that going to be one of the improvements on the 8.0 
 that will be coming out?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Maureen Lake
Here's a thought as a stop gap.  Can you mark both genders as unknown and add 
the actual gender in notes?  Not ideal, but it should solve the problem in the 
short run.

My two cents for what they're worth...

Maureen

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got around the gender selection issue for a same gender relationship by 
 adding the spouse as an unattached individual to start with, then after 
 entering name and gender and saving them, I attached him to his spouse.

 Hope that helps

 On 17/08/2013, at 8:21 AM, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a same Gender marriage I am trying to enter and I changed “Husband” 
 to Spouse but Legacy will not let me select “F” for Female.  It is greyed 
 out and the “M” is selected.  Is there a way to correctly enter same gender 
 marriages?  If not is that going to be one of the improvements on the 8.0 
 that will be coming out?


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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Sandy Inklebarger
I just tried that; I get the message “You can’t link a Female as a Husband” 
that is even with “Spouse” in place of the word husband.



From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 3:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???



I got around the gender selection issue for a same gender relationship by 
adding the spouse as an unattached individual to start with, then after 
entering name and gender and saving them, I attached him to his spouse.



Hope that helps


On 17/08/2013, at 8:21 AM, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a same Gender marriage I am trying to enter and I changed “Husband” to 
Spouse but Legacy will not let me select “F” for Female.  It is greyed out and 
the “M” is selected.  Is there a way to correctly enter same gender marriages?  
If not is that going to be one of the improvements on the 8.0 that will be 
coming out?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Sandy Inklebarger
I tried the “Unknown” and once I put them as married  the marriage date it 
shows with a “M” on the left  a “W” on the right. L



From: Maureen Lake [mailto:arespo...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 3:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???



Here's a thought as a stop gap.  Can you mark both genders as unknown and add 
the actual gender in notes?  Not ideal, but it should solve the problem in the 
short run.



My two cents for what they're worth...



Maureen

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote:

I got around the gender selection issue for a same gender relationship by 
adding the spouse as an unattached individual to start with, then after 
entering name and gender and saving them, I attached him to his spouse.



Hope that helps


On 17/08/2013, at 8:21 AM, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a same Gender marriage I am trying to enter and I changed “Husband” to 
Spouse but Legacy will not let me select “F” for Female.  It is greyed out and 
the “M” is selected.  Is there a way to correctly enter same gender marriages?  
If not is that going to be one of the improvements on the 8.0 that will be 
coming out?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Jim Terry/Support
Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may change in 
a future version of Legacy, but version 8.0. There is a work-around. Before you 
start, backup the family file. The first steps are exactly what you do when 
entering a straight couple. The change in sex is made in Microsoft Access.

After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female), make 
note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in 
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

1. Start MS Access.
2. Click on File and select Open.
3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and press 
Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb extension.
4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
Change the gender of one of the partners:
5.  Open the table named tblIR.
6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an individual.
7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and Female = 
1.
9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

Jim

Legacy Family Tree
Technical Support


 Original Message 
 From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage date it 
 shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Jim Terry/Support

This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

 Original Message 
 From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a
work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are
exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is
made in Microsoft Access.

 After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

 1. Start MS Access.
 2. Click on File and select Open.
 3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb
extension.
 4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
 Change the gender of one of the partners:
 5.  Open the table named tblIR.
 6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
individual.
 7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
 8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
Female = 1.
 9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
 10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

 Jim

 Legacy Family Tree
 Technical Support


  Original Message 
  From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Barry Hardman
Unfortunately when File Maintenance, Check/Repair is run following the Access 
work around as Jim suggests, the Gender reverts back to the original setting.

BNH

-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support [mailto:jimte...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013 8:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may change in 
a future version of Legacy, but version 8.0. There is a work-around. Before you 
start, backup the family file. The first steps are exactly what you do when 
entering a straight couple. The change in sex is made in Microsoft Access.

After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female), make 
note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in 
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

1. Start MS Access.
2. Click on File and select Open.
3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and press 
Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb extension.
4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
Change the gender of one of the partners:
5.  Open the table named tblIR.
6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an individual.
7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and Female = 
1.
9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

Jim

Legacy Family Tree
Technical Support


 Original Message 
 From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage date it 
 shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Kathy Thompson
I wonder how I managed to do it in the first place then - oh well, for
whatever reason I can't replicate what I did before, and one of my two men
is now (according to Legacy) a female


On 17 August 2013 09:07, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried that; I get the message “You can’t link a Female as a
 Husband” that is even with “Spouse” in place of the word husband.

 ** **

 *From:* Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 3:26 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 ** **

 I got around the gender selection issue for a same gender relationship by
 adding the spouse as an unattached individual to start with, then after
 entering name and gender and saving them, I attached him to his spouse.***
 *

 ** **

 Hope that helps


 On 17/08/2013, at 8:21 AM, Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com wrote:
 

 I have a same Gender marriage I am trying to enter and I changed “Husband”
 to Spouse but Legacy will not let me select “F” for Female.  It is greyed
 out and the “M” is selected.  Is there a way to correctly enter same gender
 marriages?  If not is that going to be one of the improvements on the 8.0
 that will be coming out?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Sandy Inklebarger
Thank you.  I will try this.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support [mailto:jimte...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???


This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

 Original Message 
 From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a 
work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are 
exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is made 
in Microsoft Access.

 After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in 
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

 1. Start MS Access.
 2. Click on File and select Open.
 3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb 
extension.
 4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
 Change the gender of one of the partners:
 5.  Open the table named tblIR.
 6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
individual.
 7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
 8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
Female = 1.
 9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
 10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

 Jim

 Legacy Family Tree
 Technical Support


  Original Message 
  From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Sandy Inklebarger
Good to know.  Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Barry Hardman [mailto:bndlh...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

Unfortunately when File Maintenance, Check/Repair is run following the Access 
work around as Jim suggests, the Gender reverts back to the original setting.

BNH

-Original Message-
From: Jim Terry/Support [mailto:jimte...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013 8:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may change in 
a future version of Legacy, but version 8.0. There is a work-around. Before you 
start, backup the family file. The first steps are exactly what you do when 
entering a straight couple. The change in sex is made in Microsoft Access.

After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female), make 
note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in 
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

1. Start MS Access.
2. Click on File and select Open.
3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and press 
Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb extension.
4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
Change the gender of one of the partners:
5.  Open the table named tblIR.
6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an individual.
7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and Female = 
1.
9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

Jim

Legacy Family Tree
Technical Support


 Original Message 
 From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage date it 
 shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Judy Wardlaw
Barry sent
Unfortunately when File Maintenance, Check/Repair is run following the
Access work around as Jim suggests, the Gender reverts back to the original
setting.

BNH


Another alternative to Jim's, not using Access. In this case when you run
File Maintenance, Chech/Repair husband  and wife are replaced by Male/Male
or Female/Female and does not revert back. These are my notes from my report
at a past LUG (Melbourne Australia) meeting re same sex partners in Legacy.

Enter both partners in male and female positions in Family View.
You now need to change one partner’s gender, for instance the one designated
Female that you want to change to Male.
Click the marriage information bar for the pair and remove “replace wife’s
married name with husband’s surname”.
Go to Wording Options and replace Husband and Wife on the first line (Family
View) for Male and Male (or Female and Female). Then override the middle
section of the next line that reads “married “ with “has (or had) a 
partner”.
If you need to cover a second relationship insert “next had a relationship
with” instead of “next married”.
At the bottom substitute  “Partner” and “Partnership” for “Spouse” 
and
“Marriage”. Make sure you click Save.
We found we needed to insert Partnership in the location field for the word
to appear as Partnership instead of Marriage Information in the Family View
but is better to leave it out for Ancestor report. Unfortunately partnership
will appear in your Location List and has to be ignored!

Certainly not a perfect solution. To prevent “she/he” creeping in instead of
“he/she” for some reports and charts, edit the event sentence definitions to
use [FirstName] instead of [He/She], that would get rid of some of the
problems - or use Sentence Override
so sentences for others are not affected. This addition was supplied by
Cathy in Western Australia. She usually uses [FirstHeShe] in Event Sentence
Definitions so that the First Name alternates with the pronoun in reports.
 Note also in a Family Chart you still get Husband and Wife – not Partners.
However, the Descendant Chart seems to work and the Family View is
acceptable.
Judy



From: Jim Terry/Support [mailto:jimte...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013 8:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may change
in a future version of Legacy, but version 8.0. There is a work-around.
Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are exactly what
you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is made in
Microsoft Access.

After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female), make
note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

1. Start MS Access.
2. Click on File and select Open.
3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and press
Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb extension.
4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
Change the gender of one of the partners:
5.  Open the table named tblIR.
6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an individual.
7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and Female
= 1.
9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

Jim

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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Joshua Levy


Are you sure about that?  The church has shifted it's position on gays (they 
stopped objecting to gay scouts, for example).   If you ask them again, they 
might approve it for 8.0.

Joshua  



 From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???



This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

 Original Message 
 From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

 Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a
work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are
exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is
made in Microsoft Access.

 After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in
Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:

 1. Start MS Access.
 2. Click on File and select Open.
 3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb
extension.
 4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
 Change the gender of one of the partners:
 5.  Open the table named tblIR.
 6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
individual.
 7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
 8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
Female = 1.
 9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
 10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access

 Jim

 Legacy Family Tree
 Technical Support


  Original Message 
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  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L



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Re: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???

2013-08-16 Thread Kathy Thompson
I think the reference to it not being included in version 8 is that version
8 is already nearing release and there is no time to make that change - not
that legalities etc need to be dealt with
perhaps in 8.5 or 9 we can hope


On 17 August 2013 14:29, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Are you sure about that?  The church has shifted it's position on gays
 (they stopped objecting to gay scouts, for example).   If you ask them
 again, they might approve it for 8.0.

 Joshua

   --
  *From:* Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 5:56 PM
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???


 This may change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0.

  Original Message 
  From: Jim Terry/Support jimte...@legacyusers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:03 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
 
  Legacy won't let you do a same sex marriage or partnership. This may
 change in a future version of Legacy, but *not* version 8.0. There is a
 work-around. Before you start, backup the family file. The first steps are
 exactly what you do when entering a straight couple. The change in sex is
 made in Microsoft Access.
 
  After adding the couple in Legacy (one will be male the other female),
 make note of their RIN numbers and close the program. Next open the file in
 Microsoft Access. Here are the steps:
 
  1. Start MS Access.
  2. Click on File and select Open.
  3. Type *.fdb in the File name field at the bottom of the window and
 press Enter on the keyboard. Access will now see all files with a .fdb
 extension.
  4. Browse to the directory where the family file is saved and open it.
  Change the gender of one of the partners:
  5.  Open the table named tblIR.
  6.  The IDIR field holds the RIN numbers.  Use these to find an
 individual.
  7.  The Surname and GivenName fields are self-explanatory.
  8.  The Gender field holds the sex of the individual: Male = 0 and
 Female = 1.
  9.  Change the gender to be the same as his or her partner.
  10.  Save the file and close Microsoft Access
 
  Jim
 
  Legacy Family Tree
  Technical Support
 
 
   Original Message 
   From: Sandy Inklebarger sandy...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:23 PM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same gender marriage???
  
   I tried the Unknown and once I put them as married  the marriage
 date it shows with a M on the left  a W on the right. L
 
 
 
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