Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Kathy, I do not know the meaning of booked in either, it may simply mean that the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation. It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the proclamations had been completed). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I do not know the meaning of booked in either, it may simply mean that the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation. It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the proclamations had been completed). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe:
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Hi, As a new lurker here I can add another case with two weddings with no divorce in between. I and my wife married in a traditional wedding in Kenya, and a few months later married again in a church wedding in Sweden. The first one is the official one for her culture (although we don't have a written certificate), although the legally recognized wedding is the one in Sweden. I suppose it's not that common that a couple marry twice without a divorce in between... :) /Daniel 2013/10/23 Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I do not know the meaning of booked in either, it may simply mean that the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation. It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the proclamations had been completed). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
On 23/10/2013 11:20, Kathy Thompson wrote: Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. A bit of Googling throws up a few mentions of this and apparently it means the recording of the marriage in the Parish Marriage Book. This seems to be done in both Parishes where bride and groom are from different ones and does not necessarily record the date of the marriage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
ok, thanks Jenny - I'll make a not of that for future clarifications On 23 October 2013 20:43, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: On 23/10/2013 11:20, Kathy Thompson wrote: Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. A bit of Googling throws up a few mentions of this and apparently it means the recording of the marriage in the Parish Marriage Book. This seems to be done in both Parishes where bride and groom are from different ones and does not necessarily record the date of the marriage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
An example, of which there are many, in the Sussex Marriage Index
Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, Sussex, Date: 21 Feb 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST ofJevington a yeoman
to
Mary PAGE a spinster of Blachington
East Blatchington, East Sussex, Date: 19 Mar 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST to Mary PAGE
I believe the first to be a marriage by Licence and the second to be a Church
wedding.
{Belt and Braces springs to mind]
Alan Pereira
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
On 2013/10/23 17:49, Alan Pereira wrote:
An example, of which there are many, in the Sussex Marriage Index
Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, Sussex, Date: 21 Feb 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST ofJevington a yeoman
to
Mary PAGE a spinster of Blachington
East Blatchington, East Sussex, Date: 19 Mar 1638/9:
Thomas AKEHURST to Mary PAGE
I believe the first to be a marriage by Licence and the second to be a Church
wedding.
{Belt and Braces springs to mind]
I don't think so. The first is probably the Allegation. Part of the process of
obtaining the License, the other part would have been the Bond.
--
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Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)
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Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Daniel, What you describe is like the one in my family where the couple had two marriages--one was held in the US ( parish of the bride), the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. How did you record your two marriages in Legacy? Thanks, Lavern Hall On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Daniel Westergren wes...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a new lurker here I can add another case with two weddings with no divorce in between. I and my wife married in a traditional wedding in Kenya, and a few months later married again in a church wedding in Sweden. The first one is the official one for her culture (although we don't have a written certificate), although the legally recognized wedding is the one in Sweden. I suppose it's not that common that a couple marry twice without a divorce in between... :) /Daniel 2013/10/23 Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Kathy, I do not know the meaning of booked in either, it may simply mean that the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation. It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the proclamations had been completed). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.comhttp://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
My experience agrees with Ron's observation that banns are proclaimed/published/called in BOTH parishes under normal circumstances. And given the British usage of book to mean reserve I've been assuming all along that was the date someone made the arrangements to use the church or the priest for the ceremony. FWIW. Cheryl Kathy Thompson wrote: Thing is though that the Booked In is in the Parish of Findo Gask, while the 3 Banns are in the Parish of Madderty, some 7 or 8 miles away, yet both parishes obviously record the same couple. On 23 October 2013 19:57, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I do not know the meaning of booked in either, it may simply mean that the church involved had been booked for the marriage - hence the charity donation. It would not mean banns (that's proclamation) and since there is a proclamation after that date it cannot mean marriage (which would be held after the proclamations had been completed). Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: The couple did not divorce and remarry Sherry. I have a modern case of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and those dates were many years apart. The case I'm discussing at the moment is very much within a month's time frame, and after help from others privately and much further examination of the documentation, the Madderty documentation appears to show the calling of three banns in one parish (proclamations), while the Findo Gask shows a booked in between the 1st and 2nd banns calling. As such, I know I can put the 3 banns as Marriage Banns, but since I don't yet know what Booked In means, I have no clue if this is a Banns or a Marriage. Added to this, the Madderty parish has no further record of the couple with a notation of marriage, and so I suspect the third banns has declared them married, but is this the married date or not? Still puzzled how best to record the four dates across the two parishes though. On 22 October 2013 00:01, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
On 2013/10/21 03:04, Kathy Thompson wrote: The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor I've no experience with Scottish records. Their laws are very different to those applied by the Established Church in England and Wales. But to me, it looks like others have opined: an actual marriage followed by the recording of the marriage in the second parish. You should probably take this to a mailing list or newsgroup dealing with the interpretation of Scottish records. That deals with the generally OT Discussion. Now, back to how to handle the events in Legacy :-) Two events would be my solution. Pending more informed information about Scottish records, the 'normal' marriage and, as Ron ventured, an Alt. Marriage event. The second event can always be adjusted (read replaced) at a later time. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Thanks Mike. Will follow your suggestions, and yes I'm quite glad that event names can be easily changed if needed without having to re-enter every detail. On 21 October 2013 16:56, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/10/21 03:04, Kathy Thompson wrote: The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor I've no experience with Scottish records. Their laws are very different to those applied by the Established Church in England and Wales. But to me, it looks like others have opined: an actual marriage followed by the recording of the marriage in the second parish. You should probably take this to a mailing list or newsgroup dealing with the interpretation of Scottish records. That deals with the generally OT Discussion. Now, back to how to handle the events in Legacy :-) Two events would be my solution. Pending more informed information about Scottish records, the 'normal' marriage and, as Ron ventured, an Alt. Marriage event. The second event can always be adjusted (read replaced) at a later time. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Kathy, I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the question. However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for his opinion. Please let me know. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Thank you Ron, I have posted this query on RootsChat, but I would be grateful for anyone to provide an answer. Further examination of the Madderty record does show the couple mentioned twice about 2 weeks apart, and then another slightly ambigous entry a week later again As such the four entries in total read in order of appearance: Madderty - 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed pro 1mo Findo Gask - 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor Madderty - 1766 Sept 14 Robert Marshal and Elizabeth Lawson proclaimed per a? Madderty - 1766 Sept 21 The foregoing persons were proclaimed pro 3rd On 21 October 2013 18:45, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the question. However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for his opinion. Please let me know. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Kathy, I habe now confirmed that a proclamation is the Scottish equivalent of the English banns but do not yet know about booked. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Wonderful - thanks Ron, very much appreciate it On 21 October 2013 19:13, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I habe now confirmed that a proclamation is the Scottish equivalent of the English banns but do not yet know about booked. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Looks like three proclamations 31 Aug, 14 Sep, 21 Sep 1766. And the “booked” date of 10 Sep 1776. In my experience the marriage often took place at the same time as the third proclamation. Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013 7:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates? Thank you Ron, I have posted this query on RootsChat, but I would be grateful for anyone to provide an answer. Further examination of the Madderty record does show the couple mentioned twice about 2 weeks apart, and then another slightly ambigous entry a week later again As such the four entries in total read in order of appearance: Madderty - 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed pro 1mo Findo Gask - 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor Madderty - 1766 Sept 14 Robert Marshal and Elizabeth Lawson proclaimed per a? Madderty - 1766 Sept 21 The foregoing persons were proclaimed pro 3rd On 21 October 2013 18:45, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, I am not sufficiently familiar with Scottish records to answer the question. However, if you wish I will forward your post to a Scottish colleague for his opinion. Please let me know. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
If the couple divorced and remarried, just add a second marriage - it's as simple as that. You end the first marriage and then add the second marriage with the new date. You can add a marriage note in the second marriage about the reason why they remarried. I don't think a note is necessary for the first marriage, unless you want to write something about that specifically and why they divorced. I have a contemporary situation where the kids decided for some reason that they didn't want anyone to know about their real wedding date and wanted a fancier public wedding a year later and wanted the second one to be the known and celebrated date. I put the first wedding in and marked it as Private with a note that this was the registered marriage and they publicized and celebrated the second marriage, which, although was a real marriage, wasn't registered with the state. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Lavern Hall lavernh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
On 2013/10/20 08:34, Kathy Thompson wrote: I have a Scottish couple who married in two parishes on two dates. 31/08/1766 in Madderty, Perth and then again on 10/09/1766 in Findo Gask, Perth Both marriage dates are valid and correct for each parish, so how should I record these? Are you sure that the earlier date is not for a reading of the Banns? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Definite the same couple. One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish. No mention of banns in either. Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help. Kathy On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: Definite the same couple. One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish. No mention of banns in either. Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help. Kathy On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
now that makes sense - fingers crossed Mike Ron can help confirm that. I know I'm going to need to record why there are the two in my marriage notes so that I and others in the family don't get confused in years to come. On 21 October 2013 11:57, Charles Apple apple1...@centurylink.net wrote: Kathy, ** ** I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . . Proclaimed” husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the actual marriage ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked in Order of Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish administrative issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and recorded into the records of Gask parish. ** ** I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can provide additional information. ** ** Charles ** ** *From:* Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates? ** ** The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor ** ** On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: Definite the same couple. One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish. No mention of banns in either. Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help. Kathy On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Kathy, I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . . Proclaimed” husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the actual marriage ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked in Order of Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish administrative issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and recorded into the records of Gask parish. I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can provide additional information. Charles From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates? The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: Definite the same couple. One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish. No mention of banns in either. Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help. Kathy On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates?
Hello, I have an uncle who eloped and was married out-of-state by a Justice of the Peace. A few years later, he and his wife were married in church. Both marriages are legal, only one of course, was a religious ceremony. In addition, there is another couple in the family who had two marriages--one was held here in the home parish of the bride, the other was held in another country in the parish of the groom. I'd like to hear how others have made entries into Legacy to cover two marriages for the same couple? Thanks, Lavern Hall On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: now that makes sense - fingers crossed Mike Ron can help confirm that. I know I'm going to need to record why there are the two in my marriage notes so that I and others in the family don't get confused in years to come. On 21 October 2013 11:57, Charles Apple apple1...@centurylink.net wrote: Kathy, ** ** I am not very familiar with reading parish records, however, from the transcripts provided below it appears to me that they were “. . . Proclaimed” husband and wife in 1766 August 31. This appears to be the actual marriage ceremony. Robert Marshall and Elizabeth Lawson were “booked in Order of Marriage” on 1766 September 10; this appears to be a parish administrative issue where their marriage was officially sanctioned and recorded into the records of Gask parish. ** ** I hope that is helps, however, I am not certain. Perhaps Mike and Ron can provide additional information. ** ** Charles ** ** *From:* Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] One couple, Two weddings, No divorce, how to record both dates? ** ** The earlier marriage in Madderty reads: 1766 Aug 31 Robert Marshall in this parish and Elizabeth Lawson of Gask parish were proclaimed _?_ _?_ (I can't make out the last two words but since I can't post images to the group.) The later in Findo Gask reads: 1766 Sept 10 Robert Marshall in the Parish of Maddarty and Elizabeth Lawson in this Parish were booked in Order to Marriage and as usual gave to the Poor ** ** On 20 October 2013 19:17, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Definite the same couple. One parish has Him of this parish and her of the other parish The other has Him of the other parish and her of this parish. No mention of banns in either. Will post transcripts of each if you think that may help. Kathy On 20 Oct 2013, at 6:07 pm, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Kathy, Mike has already mentioned the possibility of the first date being Banns. Are you absolutely certain that they are not different couples with the same names - although because of the additional information given this is less likely with Scottish records than English. It is possible that they did marry twice, say, his and her churches, in which case I would create am Alt Marriage Event for the second. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.comhttp://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.comhttp://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http
