Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Political Change

2008-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I agree with the judgment. You can't make a derivative work
without permission.

OSM and other open source projects give people permission
to create derivative works provided they follow the license
rules. If they could make derivative works without permission
then there would be no way to require compliance with the
license.

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 there has been a major win in Australia against the use of derivative works
 http://vogelross.com.au/vrblog/?p=18

 I would like to start political moves to free up this part of the copyright
 law in Australia. This is possible because we have had a change of
 government.
 While I understand political lobbying, I don't understand what law I want
 changed and exactly why.

 Can this list assist me with the creation of about 1/3 of a page summary of
what we do
how we are unsure of our rights to accumulate facts and present them 
 as Free
 Information
the changes required in the law to provide certainty to our work

 and a longer set of briefing papers
 that is, something which the experts can read and follow on the above.

 I have about 4 months before I will be actually in parliament seeing
 parliamentarians, so I don't expect assistance in a great rush

 thanks

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Political Change

2008-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I just read through http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2008/71.html

In 128 the appellate court is saying that they did not copy facts, but
instead they copied
the guide created by Nine, because the aggregatators had pretty much copied the
guide created by nine.

In 123 Ice is saying that because the aggregators had recompiled the
information that
what Ice took was individual facts free of copyright.

Is this the issue you want addressed in your new law?

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Political Change

2008-05-11 Thread Liz
On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 I just read through
 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2008/71.html

 In 128 the appellate court is saying that they did not copy facts, but
 instead they copied
 the guide created by Nine, because the aggregatators had pretty much copied
 the guide created by nine.

 In 123 Ice is saying that because the aggregators had recompiled the
 information that
 what Ice took was individual facts free of copyright.

 Is this the issue you want addressed in your new law?

yes, if that was the state of the law, that collecting individual facts into a 
new database was Ok with the law, that would see OSM data secure where it has 
been collected in accordance with the existing rules.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Political Change

2008-05-11 Thread Gervase Markham
Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 Some lists want me to answer on the top and some on the bottom.
 Is this a bottom answer email list?

Most email lists will accept the style where you answer below the thing 
you are commenting on, but trim it well so people don't have to page 
past loads of verbiage to get to it. Like this.

Gerv

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