Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Tracing from Aerial Imagery

[Tim Waters (chippy)]

a recording (over 3 youtube videos) of Ed Parsons & Mapmaker can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ikiyamaps



On 8/1/08, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has the recording of that session been made live?
>
>
>
>  On 31 Jul 2008, at 17:14, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  >this question is directed at those that were present during the
>  > questions session following Ed Parsons' talk at this year's SOTM.
>  >
>  > If I remember correctly, Ed had just explained that Google needed to
>  > buy
>  > extra "tracing licenses" for aerial imagery to be used in Map Maker,
>  > and
>  > that these licenses were more expensive than the ordinary "display
>  > licenses".
>  >
>  > Someone then said that Google Earth already has a built-in feature to
>  > trace from *any* Google imagery, and why that was allowed when Google
>  > didn't have those licenses.
>  >
>  > And in response Ed made a distinction that I had not heard in all
>  > those
>  > "aerieal imagery tracing" discussions. If I remember correctly, he
>  > said
>  > (more or less): As long as you trace something with which you have a
>  > personal relation - e.g. a bike route that you actually travelled, or
>  > the house that you live in - it's ok. It starts to become "not ok"
>  > only
>  > when you begin large-scale tracing of terrain that you have no
>  > personal
>  > relationship with.
>  >
>  > Question 1 - is that what Ed said? And question 2 - does it make
>  > sense,
>  > legally? And question 3 - so I am allowed to trace my house, and my
>  > neighbour's, and my workplace, and the bakery I visit every morning,
>  > and
>  > my birthplace, and my parent's house...?
>  >
>  > Bye
>  > Frederik
>  >
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>  Steve
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Tracing from Aerial Imagery

[Jukka Rahkonen]

Lauri Hahne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> 2008/8/5 Gustav Foseid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  - In addition to protection as individual photographs, the database of the
> > photographs has database protection. The traces (KMZz) would, however, not
> > be part of the database and not be protected as a database. Even all traces
> > would not be a substantial part of a database consisting of photographs.
> 
> Sorry to resurrect such an old discussion but I only found it today.
> 
> The EU database laws protect parts of databases which are significant
> in either quantitatively (amount) or qualitatively (what it is). So
> IMHO doing some random drawings from a world-wide or national database
> of aerial images should be ok but doing a trace of a village wouldn't
> be ok as it matches the criteria of being qualitatively major part
> even if it isn't a major part of the database when measured
> quantitatively.

So the next question is if an aerial image is something more than an image. You
mean that if it is possible to interpret with bare eyes roads, lakes, buildings
etc. from an image, then image itself is a road, lake and building database? 


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

> 1) Contact the user via their talk page with the evidence.  Be polite
> - you might be wrong or they might have permission.

This is misleading - "via their talk page" sounds like one should 
contact them through the Wiki, where people may have completely 
different accounts and even if their Wiki account is the same as their 
user account they might never read the Wiki. The recommended way to 
contact another mapper is via the messaging function on 
www.openstreetmap.org, is it not?

Bye
Frederik


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