Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Who is the licensor / whose "database" is it?
Hi, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > A *database* is a bunch of stuff in my computer's RAM. *Any* stuff at all. It need not even be in your computer's RAM. And not everything in your computer's RAM is a database (it needs to have been arranged systematically or methodically). > Database *protection* is granted only to DBs that have had a subtantial > investment on them. That's how I read it too. > - I did not invest much time while drawing these two pub nodes in $EDITOR, > but > I'll only upload them if you slap a ODbL to them the moment they are > integrated in the main DB. That was what I meant with the number 3 in my original post, yes ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Who is the licensor / whose "database" is it?
El Jueves, 11 de Diciembre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió: > > Heck, I'd even hold that a data array of any kind held in RAM qualifies > > as a database. Not just because it's an array, but because somebody > > decided what goes into that array and in which way. > > But the database directive does not extend protection to each and every > database; there has to be "substantial investment" in obtaining, > verifying or presenting the contents. OK, while I have to agree with you on this one, I'd like to make a couple of things clear here. A *database* is a bunch of stuff in my computer's RAM. *Any* stuff at all. Database *protection* is granted only to DBs that have had a subtantial investment on them. > Now while I can just about see the substantial investment in getting out > on a rainy day and collecting 50 road geometries with your GPS, there > can be absolutely no doubt that entering the name of the pub around the > corner will never come under "substantial investment"... Now, I can have two points of view here (let's say, 1a and 1b): - I did invest a substantial amount of effort and time getting this data into $EDITOR. It is already a DB, and I'll slap a ODbL on it before it goes off my computer. - I did not invest much time while drawing these two pub nodes in $EDITOR, but I'll only upload them if you slap a ODbL to them the moment they are integrated in the main DB. (Read that last line as "the moment my unprotectable DB gets merged with the protectable DB" and/or "the main protectable DB is derived thanks to my unprotectable DB") And then comes 1c, AKA "I don't care about f***ing licenses": - I have this data (DB) in $EDITOR, and I don't really care if I did a substantial investment on it or not. All I know is that the main (protectable) DB will get modified (derived) with my DB (either protectable or unprotectable, it doesn't matter). Anyway, learning Potlach should be considered a "substantial investment" Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega La vida es una enfermedad mortal de transmisión sexual. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Who is the licensor / whose "database" is it?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Temporary files (or information arranged in memory) in your computer are > considered databases, so I'd go with option 1. To be protectec under the database directive, you need to make a "significant investment" for the database to be protected. You also need to be a citizen of a EU or EEA country. IANAL (could a lawyer please explain whu we keep saying this?) - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Who is the licensor / whose "database" is it?
El Miércoles, 10 de Diciembre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió: > 1. Each mapper has his own database, of which he makes a copy available > to OSM under ODbL which then creates a derived database. In that case, > of course, each mapper is a licensor, and OSM is a giant work derived > from many individual databases. Yep. Temporary files (or information arranged in memory) in your computer are considered databases, so I'd go with option 1. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Si funciona, no lo arregles. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
