Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 12:18 +0200, Joel wrote: > They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on > Google maps. but not the information embedded in the POI. > i think that if the POIs were placed on Yahoo's photos it would be > legal (seeing as they gave permission to trace photos) One thing to consider: Just because we can use their satellite imagery doesn't mean we have rights to their other imagery... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
Gustav Foseid wrote: > That is, however, something different from clearly stating "It isn't > legal, > because the locations are derived from Google Maps". You're right. Brevity never really sits well with geodata copyright. :( cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/wikitude-content-tp25116841p25132396.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > (Frankly - slight rant alert - I think it's really reprehensible that > Google > doesn't pull its finger out and just apply one of its tame lawyers for a > day > or two to settling this once and for all. We are now in the ridiculous > situation where Ed writes "Google is not in a position to allow people to > capture base data such as street networks", even with relation to satellite > imagery, yet Google appears to allow Wikimapia to blithely sail along > capturing exactly that into its own proprietarily-licensed dataset. I could not agree more. It does not help that the terms vary slightly between the different translations. With a whiter than white approach (moving more and more towards whiter than even the lightest shade of grey, I think), this is not something we want to live with for our data. That is, however, something different from clearly stating "It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps". - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
Gustav Foseid wrote: > This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google > have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps or > other sites). Could you provide some more details? Getting any information out of Google as to what they do claim, and what they don't, appears to be impossible. The Ts & Cs are carefully phrased in ambiguous lawyerese, and the various utterances of their public spokespeople (Ed Parsons, Pamela Fox et al) in blogs and forums are inconclusive and occasionally conflicting. (Frankly - slight rant alert - I think it's really reprehensible that Google doesn't pull its finger out and just apply one of its tame lawyers for a day or two to settling this once and for all. We are now in the ridiculous situation where Ed writes "Google is not in a position to allow people to capture base data such as street networks", even with relation to satellite imagery, yet Google appears to allow Wikimapia to blithely sail along capturing exactly that into its own proprietarily-licensed dataset. Google should remember that, as a wise man once said, with great power comes great responsibility etc. Instead, they seem to prefer that everything exists in a curious state of limbo where your dataset only exists as long as Google permits it.) But away from all this, OSM's standard position, for better or for worse, is that deriving any data by reference to already-existing cartography is potentially an infringement. So since we want to create a whiter-than-white map, we don't use it. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/wikitude-content-tp25116841p25131997.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Joel wrote: > They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google > maps. > I have tried to find something in their terms that verifies this, but have not found anything. Could you please be a bit more specific? Even if the use case is slightly different, see this post by Ed Parsons (and the comments): http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. but not the information embedded in the POI. i think that if the POIs were placed on Yahoo's photos it would be legal (seeing as they gave permission to trace photos) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > >> It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. >> > > This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google > have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps or > other sites). Could you provide some more details? > > - Gustav > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. > This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps or other sites). Could you provide some more details? - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
Thanks for the info! to bad though, would have been a nice addition. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Joel wrote: > > In the 2nd message on this page you'll read "With regards to intellectual > > property, Wiktude.me will be implemented under a Creative Commons > > Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License." > > Could anyone give an answer wether it is legal to import POI > > location+information from Wikitude.me ? > > It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. > > Just because they _say_ they're licensed as CC-BY-SA doesn't mean they > actually have the right to release said content under that licence. > > cheers > Richard > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/wikitude-content-tp25116841p25131127.html > Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
Joel wrote: > In the 2nd message on this page you'll read "With regards to intellectual > property, Wiktude.me will be implemented under a Creative Commons > Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License." > Could anyone give an answer wether it is legal to import POI > location+information from Wikitude.me ? It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. Just because they _say_ they're licensed as CC-BY-SA doesn't mean they actually have the right to release said content under that licence. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/wikitude-content-tp25116841p25131127.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
I'm not sure how to do that, but i'll try to figure it out if importing this data is legal. I've also managed to get some POI data in GPX format, how do i go about importing that? i tried JOSM, but couldnt figure it out. (sorry for being off-topic) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:20 AM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, Joel wrote: > > > that's something i would check > > yeah. but how much i would check depends on the ammount of > > POI's :P if there are 10, checking every single > > one would be a bit time consuming. > > I didn't mean manually, you'd use a query to find out if there were any > similar/identical POIs within .5km of lat,lon. No matches you'd import > automatically, if there was a match you'd throw that POI into a manual check > queue. > > > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Joel wrote: > that's something i would check > yeah. but how much i would check depends on the ammount of > POI's :P if there are 10, checking every single > one would be a bit time consuming. I didn't mean manually, you'd use a query to find out if there were any similar/identical POIs within .5km of lat,lon. No matches you'd import automatically, if there was a match you'd throw that POI into a manual check queue. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
