[OSM-legal-talk] TeleAtlas data in OSM
Hi, I tried to send this to the foundation but I got no response, so I'm trying here. During an edit session I noticed a number of errors near my living area [1]. Comparing the area with GMaps [2] reveals too many similiraties. I have compared the OSM data with a dump of TeleAtlas DB which I use for work and I discovered that ways and nodes are exactly the same so I'm pretty sure that this data was uploaded from a similar dump. The changesets are all of the user "moleilbevi" [3]. Other users have mapped the area before this "disaster" so is not easy for me deleting only the ways copied. Bye, Stefano [1] http://osm.org/go/0IMbyW_v- [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=12.96084&lat=45.94461&zoom=16 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/moleilbevi/edits ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] TeleAtlas data in OSM
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Stefano Salvador wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to send this to the foundation but I got no response, so I'm trying > here. > > During an edit session I noticed a number of errors near my living > area [1]. Comparing the area with GMaps [2] reveals too many > similiraties. > > I have compared the OSM data with a dump of TeleAtlas DB which I use > for work and I discovered that ways and nodes are exactly the same so > I'm pretty sure that this data was uploaded from a similar dump. > > The changesets are all of the user "moleilbevi" [3]. > > Other users have mapped the area before this "disaster" so is not easy > for me deleting only the ways copied. Hi Stefano. I've forwarded this to the data working group for their information. I suppose it is also possible that this data comes from one unencumbered source to both OSM and TeleAtlas, so this might not be a problem. Have you contacted this user to find out? Best regards, Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data by the military and/or intelligence services
El Jueves, 4 de Febrero de 2010, Dave F. escribió: > Jeffrey Johnson wrote: > > The US Military and Intelligence services are ALREADY using OSM, and > > its use will continue. > > Are there examples of this you could post? I'm pretty sure that some of the Haiti crisis responders are military in nature. FWIK, at least, Spain usually sends both civil and military search-and-rescue personnel to earthquake sites. UNOSAT, JRC, ITHACA, SOUTHCOM... at some point, some organisation using OSM maps&data may have printed a map for some military rescue team. Should we prevent some relief teams from using OSM? -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Now listening to: Karunesh - Sounds of the Heart (2003) - [6] Sounds of the Heart (6:16) (0.00%) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Use of OSM data by the military and/or intelligence services
On 04/02/10 14:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > AFAIK our current license offers our data for everyone who attributes > correctly, but I'd like to raise the issue of malicious use of our > data by governmental organisations. What do you thing about setting up > a paragraph that prohibits the use of our data for military and > intelligence services? Not that I'm hoping this would seriously > prevent the use in case we have useful data to them, but still it > would be a statement. The military are often involved in humanitarian aid and relief projects that can benefit from OSM data. Military and intelligence data shared through a project like OSM would allow civilian organizations, even dissenting civilian organizations, to benefit from that data. If one wishes to criticise the military and the intelligence services, getting them to open up and become more engaged with civil society is a good thing. A discriminatory licence would prevent all of these benefits while not preventing military or espionage use or creation of other map data that we do not get access to. I mention these points as illustrations of the argument that abandoning a commitment to freedom would be bad, not in addition to it. - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Use of OSM data by the military and/or intelligence services
On 02/04/2010 09:15 PM, Rob Myers wrote: > On 04/02/10 14:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> AFAIK our current license offers our data for everyone who attributes >> correctly, but I'd like to raise the issue of malicious use of our >> data by governmental organisations. What do you thing about setting up >> a paragraph that prohibits the use of our data for military and >> intelligence services? Not that I'm hoping this would seriously >> prevent the use in case we have useful data to them, but still it >> would be a statement. [...] > A discriminatory licence would prevent all of these benefits while not > preventing military or espionage use or creation of other map data that > we do not get access to. > > I mention these points as illustrations of the argument that abandoning > a commitment to freedom would be bad, not in addition to it. I agree on that. Imho freedom and openness in this context is what counts. And if they were to use our data (with proper attribution) and maybe even contribute to it, I don't see a reason why _we_ shouldn't be open. Kind regards, Stefan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
