Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor
 terms on the wiki:
 
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable
 
 The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe
 there's something more to cover. Let's try to keep it short though.

I think the wording is ok, but I would advise against translating it. I 
believe that presenting a crowdsource-translated summary above an 
English legalese could be interpreted as misleading the users.

Personally, I think that translations are a problem in many places in 
OSM. Stuff is translated and then starts to rot because whoever did the 
translation goes hunting for the next non-translated bit. This is just 
the same as with imports; the translations create documents that nobody 
cares about, that do not have a community to support them.

There seem to be some areas where it works, but I have the impression 
that triumphantly adding a 23rd language to some page on the Wiki does 
not, overall, improve quality.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
ava...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor
 terms on the wiki:


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable


Interesting.  I just noticed the contents are going to be DbCL (effectively,
public domain).  I guess that means the entire database will be public
domain in places (like the US) which don't have a separate database right.
Cool.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 21:36, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
 On 14/05/10 21:19, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote:

 I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor
 terms on the wiki:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable

 The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe
 there's something more to cover. Let's try to keep it short though.

 The current wording appears to have been written in a way that is aimed at
 existing contributors rathera than new contributors, who are the only people
 being shown the terms currently.

Patches welcome! Seriously, I'm not a native speaker and the text can
be improved in lots of little (and big) ways. The intent with the
OpenStreetMap is now moving away part was to provide some summary,
but maybe that's not necessary.

 New users don't need to know that [...] that attribution is handled
 differently [...].

The attribution part is there because of section #4 of the contributor
terms:

4. At Your or the copyright holder’s option, OSMF agrees to
attribute You or the copyright holder. A mechanism will be
provided, currently a web page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution

They apply whether you're a new user or not. I don't see any reason
why new users would care less about attribution than users that have
signed up in the past.

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