Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline
Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: The contributor terms create a situation where OSMF can actually make a reliable statement expressing the community interpretation of certain points of the license, Thinking about it, I am not sure this is the case. If the OSMF has an agreement with mappers that it will distribute the map under a certain licence, that must mean the accepted legal meaning of the licence, determined ultimately by the courts. It cannot mean the licence under whatever interpretation OSMF chooses. If one mapper disagrees that the licence permits something, but the OSMF issues a statement that it does, then one of the two is wrong (for a particular jurisdiction). And if the OSMF is the one that's wrong, then the OSMF is in breach of its agreement with the mapper where it promised to use a particular licence. There's also the moral issue that changes or clarifications in interpretation of the licence are effectively a change of licence, and should be agreed by the community. So, while giving the OSMF the ability to make definitive statements about the intent or meaning or enforceability of the licence might be thought a good thing, it would need to be explicitly stated in the CTs. The current proposed 1.2 version doesn't. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Announcement: Add-tags a tool to connect OpenStreetMap Wikipedia
Hi, Kolossos wrote: there is a new tool to bring more Wikipedia-Tags inside OSM-database and connect so both projects more and more. It can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl/Add-tags It's the idea to use later this connections to highlight the matching OSM objects in the map that we use in Wikipedia. It brings also the information that was collected collected in Wikipedia like Interwikilinks into OSM to render better multilingual-maps. Care should be taken to only copy information in the Wikipedia-OSM direction when that information is either a) in the public domain, or b) trivial enough to not warrant any copyright protection, or c) the relevant Wikiepdia authors have agreed. Otherwise, the information copied from Wikipedia would be strictly CC-BY-SA licensed and would have to be removed when we change our license to ODbL. (Followup-to legal-talk.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Announcement: Add-tags a tool to connect OpenStreetMap Wikipedia
Hey, I'm sure that Interwikilinks in Wikipedia don't have a critical level of creativity so that they are trivial enough for us (case b). If not, wikipedia self couldn't use bots to copy this interwikilinks from one wiki to another. The pure wikipedia-tag is only a reference like a hyperlink so it couldn't be a problem. I accept that OpenStreetMap don't want to use coordinates from wikipedia but article-names are surely user-created content that are provided under a free license or atomic parts as PD. The Wikimedia foundation don't go the way to take the role of a database-provider (like OSMF) so database protection is also no topic. Last point: Wikimedia foundation support the cooperation with OpenStreetMap. So under all these aspects there should be no problem. Greetings Kolossos (INAL) P.S.: The license and the interpretation should be for the project, not against it. Am 09.04.2011 14:40, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, Kolossos wrote: there is a new tool to bring more Wikipedia-Tags inside OSM-database and connect so both projects more and more. It can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl/Add-tags It's the idea to use later this connections to highlight the matching OSM objects in the map that we use in Wikipedia. It brings also the information that was collected collected in Wikipedia like Interwikilinks into OSM to render better multilingual-maps. Care should be taken to only copy information in the Wikipedia-OSM direction when that information is either a) in the public domain, or b) trivial enough to not warrant any copyright protection, or c) the relevant Wikiepdia authors have agreed. Otherwise, the information copied from Wikipedia would be strictly CC-BY-SA licensed and would have to be removed when we change our license to ODbL. (Followup-to legal-talk.) Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 20:38, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that this is the (only) critical issue. To be open contributions need to be given freely and without restriction, so as to avoid the current situation where some contributors (with varying agendas) seem to be holding OSM to ransom by threatening not to relicence their contributions. Which is something only done by commercial companies, most community based projects have a fixed license, I'd love for someone to try and push something like the CTs on kernel contributors and see how far they got considering how strongly people are in favour of share a like. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Free Software Foundation has copyright assignment: you assign your code copyright to FSF. ANd if you check the usual contract, there is no mention of any fixed GNU license. In addition, the Apache Software Foundation also has a software code CT, with language quite similar to OSM's CT: You hereby grant to the [Apache Software] Foundation and to recipients of software distributed by the Foundation a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute Your Contributions and such derivative works. Interestingly, the ASF does not even specify any fixed open-source or free license (and it could even be effectively public domain basing on the ASF CT's language). ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
