[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for applications that transfer data from other road networks
Hello, I would like to get your oppinion regarding the ODbL for the use case described below. I have asked several attendants at SOT-M in Vienna and was encouraged to put my question on this email list. The background is as follows: For marketing purposes, like finding a site for a new facility, companies can buy statistical data that is related to road objects of either Navteq or Teleatlas. The data can be presented on a map with different colours or other styles for the roads. The question is, whether the ODbL allows such companies to use OSM rather than Navteq or Teleatlas, if they transfer the statistical data via a matching table to the OSM road objects. Here is the use case Transfer of data from other road networks: One can license data associated with proprietary road networks. An example would be a table (T0) with Navteq identifiers as keys, numbers of households, dominant type of buildings, buying power, traffic frequencies.Given another table that maps Navteq identifiers to matching OSM identifiers one could translate the licensed data to OSM. On a thematic OSM map one could use different styles (colour, breadth, ...) for the roads in order to visualize the transferred data. T0 may look like this: Navteq-ID | Number of households | Buying power | ... There are two ways to generate the map. Either create a data table (T1) with OSM road identifiers and the transferred data.Or create a mapping table (T2) with OSM road identifiers and the matching Navteq identifiers. For the OSM road objects to be displayed in the map, dynamically merge data from (T2) and (T0) for the objects currently on the map. T1 may look like this: OSM-ID | Associated Navteq-ID | Number of households | Buying power | ... T2 may look like this: OSM-ID | Associated Navteq-ID According to the ODbL, the OSM map - or an application with this map - would be a produced work. Either the OSM data table (T1) or the mapping table (T2) would be a derivative database and would have to be provided under ODbL. In either case, the licensed data table (T0) would not fall under the ODbL, either because it is not used for the map or because it is an independent part in a collective database, which it forms together with (T2). Thank you very much in advance for your comments. They are important because at Fraunhofer, we would like to use OSM data in applied research projects. angi voss -- Dr. Angi Voss Fraunhofer IAIS Knowledge Discovery Schloss Birlinghoven D-53754 Sankt Augustin phone:02241 / 142726 Fax: 02241 / 42726 http://www.iais.fraunhofer.de ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for publications comparing OSM with a reference dataset
Hello again, for one more use case I would like to get your oppinion regarding the ODbL. Your answers are relevant for our research, and could be relevant for Muki Haklay and others who compare OSM with other reference datasets to analyse the quality, like completeness of objects and thematic attributes, locational precision, correctness of thematic attributes. Use case Publication on the quality of OpenStreetMap relative to a reference set A publication assesses the quality of the OSM road network by matching the OSM objects with those of another road network, the reference set, and then compares the matching objects. The document contains a thematic OSM map, where the style (colour, breadth, ...) of the OSM roads visualizes a compared quality.The publication could also contain charts and other maps where the quality is displayed on grid cells. Is it correct that only the thematic map with OSM road objects is a produced work? So only the small table containing the identifiers of the visible OSM road objects and their quality is a derivative database? And is this table insubstantialso that it need not be provided under ODbL? In particular, underlying our publication is a much bigger table that contains a matching between the identifiers of the two road networks, as well as their attributes, which are to be compared, e.g. road category, name, speed limit, oneway, pedestrian? Is it true that this table need not provided together with the publication? Once more, thank you for your comments, angi voss -- Dr. Angi Voss Fraunhofer IAIS Knowledge Discovery Schloss Birlinghoven D-53754 Sankt Augustin phone:02241 / 142726 Fax: 02241 / 42726 http://www.iais.fraunhofer.de ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for publications comparing OSM with areference dataset
Hi Angelika, Please note that OSM is currently distributed under the CC-BY-SA license. There are plans to create a ODBL version of this database as a derived work, but the required modifications to the database have not yet started and the community has not yet agreed on a date for this to happen. Until the ODBL version is available I suggest that you do not apply OSM data but on an experimental basis, as the availability of the data under ODBL is not yet assured. I suggest that you put some pression on the new OSMF board -being newly elected this week- to publish a schedule for the switch-over so as to allow you -and others- to build a serious business model with OSM. Until then I suggest you to refrain. Note that I am just a member of the community, and in no way speaking for the whole of it. Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. Van: Angelika Voss [mailto:angelika.v...@iais.fraunhofer.de] Verzonden: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:13 AM Aan: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL for publications comparing OSM with areference dataset Hello again, for one more use case I would like to get your oppinion regarding the ODbL. Your answers are relevant for our research, and could be relevant for Muki Haklay and others who compare OSM with other reference datasets to analyse the quality, like completeness of objects and thematic attributes, locational precision, correctness of thematic attributes. Use case Publication on the quality of OpenStreetMap relative to a reference set A publication assesses the quality of the OSM road network by matching the OSM objects with those of another road network, the reference set, and then compares the matching objects. The document contains a thematic OSM map, where the style (colour, breadth, ...) of the OSM roads visualizes a compared quality. The publication could also contain charts and other maps where the quality is displayed on grid cells. Is it correct that only the thematic map with OSM road objects is a produced work? So only the small table containing the identifiers of the visible OSM road objects and their quality is a derivative database? And is this table insubstantial so that it need not be provided under ODbL? In particular, underlying our publication is a much bigger table that contains a matching between the identifiers of the two road networks, as well as their attributes, which are to be compared, e.g. road category, name, speed limit, oneway, pedestrian? Is it true that this table need not provided together with the publication? Once more, thank you for your comments, angi voss -- Dr. Angi Voss Fraunhofer IAIS Knowledge Discovery Schloss Birlinghoven D-53754 Sankt Augustin phone:02241 / 142726 Fax: 02241 / 42726 http://www.iais.fraunhofer.de image001.gif___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
