Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega  wrote:

> > Would it make a difference if the business is a large chain and had more
> > than one address (possible a lot more than one address) on its website?
>
> In that case, you're doing a repeated extraction of non-substantial
> amounts of data. And that's perfectly OK to do under european law (and you
> retain all copyrights of the derived work of your repeated extraction).
>

I'm not sure it has to do with "non-substantial amounts of data". But
business websites publishing their own address or list of addresses is
reallly intended to be shared and republished everywhere. It would be
different if the website is e.g. a directory of all shops of a given city
and their opening hours. Even if you extract only the pharmacies/drugstores
and it is a non-substantial amount of data, you will copy their work of
collecting this information.

Pieren
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/25 Iván Sánchez Ortega 

> The answer to this might be different if your jurisdiction doesn't apply
> the
> european database directive.
>


But which is the relevant jurisdiction, the one the mapper is in, or the
one the database is in (i.e. where you perform the actual action)?

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/25 Pieren 

> I'm not sure it has to do with "non-substantial amounts of data". But
> business websites publishing their own address or list of addresses is
> reallly intended to be shared and republished everywhere.



I'd also see it like this, it is quite unlikely that they will sue your for
helping their marketing department spread the word. On the other hand from
a strictly legal point of view I have hardly seen a business website that
didn't claim full copyright on all contents.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Jueves, 25 de abril de 2013 12:06:00 Martin Koppenhoefer escribió:
> 2013/4/25 Iván Sánchez Ortega 
> 
> > The answer to this might be different if your jurisdiction [...]
> > european database directive.
> 
> But which is the relevant jurisdiction, the one the mapper is in, or the
> one the database is in (i.e. where you perform the actual action)?

Heh :-)

The folks who drafted the EU DB directive most likely were not aware that in a 
near future, a person from a country A could put data about country B in a DB 
inside a computer in a country C...


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Iván Sánchez Ortega  

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 April 2013 11:14, Iván Sánchez Ortega  wrote:

> The folks who drafted the EU DB directive most likely were not aware that
> in a
> near future, a person from a country A could put data about country B in a
> DB
> inside a computer in a country C...
>
>
But in their world view there will only be one country in the future so
this short-term problem goes away ;)

Kevin
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