Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
In general the CC-by licences require downstream attribution that we can't provide for any sensible meaning of the word, so you will need specific permission in any case, the other part is that the 4.0 licences try to cater for sui generis databases and, IMHO-only, that comes out rather wrong. What complicates your specific case even more is that you will find a wide range of opinions on if tracing from imagery even creates a derivative work (which you need to square with national regulations and case law). The best action is to sidestep the above mentioned can of worms and try and get explicit permission, preferably with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3 (the first two letter templates are missing some key points IMHO and while simpler are probably not really enough). Note the letter would need some adaptation in your case since we are referring to data derived from the imagery, not the imagery itself. Simon Am 13.07.2015 um 12:54 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer. Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why would an extra permission for that be required? Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. Simon Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi everybody, the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0 license. Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and POIs for OSM? Thanks in advance. Ivan. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. Simon Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi everybody, the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0 license. Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and POIs for OSM? Thanks in advance. Ivan. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer. Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why would an extra permission for that be required? Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. Simon Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi everybody, the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0 license. Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and POIs for OSM? Thanks in advance. Ivan. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
Thanks a lot for the answer Simon, really complete. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: In general the CC-by licences require downstream attribution that we can't provide for any sensible meaning of the word, so you will need specific permission in any case, the other part is that the 4.0 licences try to cater for sui generis databases and, IMHO-only, that comes out rather wrong. What complicates your specific case even more is that you will find a wide range of opinions on if tracing from imagery even creates a derivative work (which you need to square with national regulations and case law). The best action is to sidestep the above mentioned can of worms and try and get explicit permission, preferably with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3 (the first two letter templates are missing some key points IMHO and while simpler are probably not really enough). Note the letter would need some adaptation in your case since we are referring to data derived from the imagery, not the imagery itself. Simon Am 13.07.2015 um 12:54 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer. Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why would an extra permission for that be required? Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. Simon Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi everybody, the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0 license. Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and POIs for OSM? Thanks in advance. Ivan. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
On 7/13/2015 3:09 AM, Simon Poole wrote: It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. To clarify a bit, any CC licenses that are ND or NC are non-open and clearly incompatible with the ODbL or any open license. CC BY SA 4.0 is currently incompatible, but Creative Commons could change that. CC BY 2.0, 2.5, and 3.0 are clearly incompatible, thanks to the attribution requirements that can't be met. CC BY 4.0 has some open questions about compatibility. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0
Hi Ivan, I would suggest getting in touch with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Indonesia. They could probably help in facilitate of permission. team...@hotosm.org is the best way to reach them. Best, -Kate On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for the answer Simon, really complete. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: In general the CC-by licences require downstream attribution that we can't provide for any sensible meaning of the word, so you will need specific permission in any case, the other part is that the 4.0 licences try to cater for sui generis databases and, IMHO-only, that comes out rather wrong. What complicates your specific case even more is that you will find a wide range of opinions on if tracing from imagery even creates a derivative work (which you need to square with national regulations and case law). The best action is to sidestep the above mentioned can of worms and try and get explicit permission, preferably with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3 (the first two letter templates are missing some key points IMHO and while simpler are probably not really enough). Note the letter would need some adaptation in your case since we are referring to data derived from the imagery, not the imagery itself. Simon Am 13.07.2015 um 12:54 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer. Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why would an extra permission for that be required? Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. Simon Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia: Hi everybody, the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under CC-BY 4.0 license. Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways and POIs for OSM? Thanks in advance. Ivan. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
