Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

[Edward Bainton]

*sigh

No, it's not remotely clear!

Thank you.


On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, 23:02 Simon Poole,  wrote:

> Legal talk is not the LWG list if that isn't clear, that is
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> Simon
> Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton:
>
> A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening.
>
> I saw Brexit in the minutes for September
> "At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately."
>
> General guidance I've seen appears to say:
> - database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist (as I've seen
> discussed in minutes)
> - database rights accrued from 2021-01-01 will exist only in the UK (if at
> all: I can't see any enabling legislation after a quick look, and this may
> have gone into the Govt's "later" tray - so copyright may be the only
> protection).
>
> The last point suggests to me that any edits made after 2020-01-01 will
> have less protection than so far has been the case.
>
> Is that your understanding? Or is the database as a whole protected
> because the architecture has been built, and subsequent edits are protected
> modifications of an already-protected creation?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

[Simon Poole]

To answer the questions caveat there is no relevant court decisions that 
I know of, so this is all likely untested: insubstantial changes to a 
database do not create a new one, but substantial changes do. Where the 
line is drawn, or better where the OSMF draws the line, is currently 
open. See article 10 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A31996L0009


Simon

Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton:

A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening.

I saw Brexit in the minutes for September
"At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately."

General guidance I've seen appears to say:
- database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist (as I've seen 
discussed in minutes)
- database rights accrued from 2021-01-01 will exist only in the UK 
(if at all: I can't see any enabling legislation after a quick look, 
and this may have gone into the Govt's "later" tray - so copyright may 
be the only protection).


The last point suggests to me that any edits made after 2020-01-01 
will have less protection than so far has been the case.


Is that your understanding? Or is the database as a whole protected 
because the architecture has been built, and subsequent edits are 
protected modifications of an already-protected creation?


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

[Simon Poole]

Legal talk is not the LWG list if that isn't clear, that is 
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Simon

Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton:

A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening.

I saw Brexit in the minutes for September
"At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately."

General guidance I've seen appears to say:
- database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist (as I've seen 
discussed in minutes)
- database rights accrued from 2021-01-01 will exist only in the UK 
(if at all: I can't see any enabling legislation after a quick look, 
and this may have gone into the Govt's "later" tray - so copyright may 
be the only protection).


The last point suggests to me that any edits made after 2020-01-01 
will have less protection than so far has been the case.


Is that your understanding? Or is the database as a whole protected 
because the architecture has been built, and subsequent edits are 
protected modifications of an already-protected creation?


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[OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

[Edward Bainton]

A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening.

I saw Brexit in the minutes for September
"At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately."

General guidance I've seen appears to say:
- database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist (as I've seen discussed
in minutes)
- database rights accrued from 2021-01-01 will exist only in the UK (if at
all: I can't see any enabling legislation after a quick look, and this may
have gone into the Govt's "later" tray - so copyright may be the only
protection).

The last point suggests to me that any edits made after 2020-01-01 will
have less protection than so far has been the case.

Is that your understanding? Or is the database as a whole protected because
the architecture has been built, and subsequent edits are protected
modifications of an already-protected creation?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How do I join the meeting tonight?

[Kathleen Lu via legal-talk]

Edward, please use this BBB link: https://osmvideo.cloud68.co/user/gui-ztm-dqh

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:23 AM Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk
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>
>
>
> Dec 10, 2020, 18:32 by bainton@gmail.com:
>
> though can't see how to set up Push to Talk
>
> big blue cog => audio input tab (selected by default) -> Transmission panel
>
> Change dropdown from "voice activity" to "Push to talk"
>
> Seems that it should work
>
> The wiki has a HOT server listed, but LWG isn't part of HOT? (See below sig)
>
> It is a bit confusing, but yes - HOT server, OSMF group,
> License Working Group (LWG) channel
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> Disclaimer: I am not experienced and it is possibly that something may be 
> wrong
> in my text.
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> If you join we can test whatever it works.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How do I join the meeting tonight?

[Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk]

Dec 10, 2020, 18:32 by bainton@gmail.com:

> though can't see how to set up Push to Talk
>
big blue cog => audio input tab (selected by default) -> Transmission panel

Change dropdown from "voice activity" to "Push to talk"

Seems that it should work

> The > wiki >  has a HOT server 
> listed, but LWG isn't part of HOT? (See below sig)
>
It is a bit confusing, but yes - HOT server, OSMF group,
License Working Group (LWG) channel

Disclaimer: I am not experienced and it is possibly that something may be wrong
in my text.

If you join we can test whatever it works.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How do I join the meeting tonight?

[Kathleen Lu via legal-talk]

Hi Edward,
OSMF and its working groups have traditionally used the HOT server.
Mumble is not a Web application.
However, we are looking at moving to BBB. A BBB link for this meeting
has not been circulated yet, so please use Mumble for the time being.
Best,
Kathleen

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:36 AM Edward Bainton  wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> I was hoping to audit the meeting tonight, with a view to possibly 
> volunteering. I now have Mumble installed (though can't see how to set up 
> Push to Talk)
>
> How do I find the group call and join it? Is there some kind of web address 
> or something to be input somewhere?
>
> The wiki has a HOT server listed, but LWG isn't part of HOT? (See below sig)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edward
>
> When the program starts you will be asked to connect to a server click the 
> Add New button and enter in the information for the HOT server:
>
> Label: This is just a name for the server for yourself, enter: HOT
> Address: The actual address of the server, enter: talk.hotosm.org
> Port: The port that the server uses, leave this at the default value of: 64738
> Username: A username to identify yourself on the server, please pick one to 
> use.
>
> This Mumble server is intended for use by the OpenStreetMap community only.
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[OSM-legal-talk] How do I join the meeting tonight?

[Edward Bainton]

Hi all

I was hoping to audit the meeting tonight, with a view to possibly
volunteering. I now have Mumble installed (though can't see how to set up
Push to Talk)

*How do I find the group call and join it?* Is there some kind of web
address or something to be input somewhere?

The wiki  has a HOT server
listed, but LWG isn't part of HOT? (See below sig)

Thanks,

Edward


   - When the program starts you will be asked to connect to a server click
   the *Add New* button and enter in the information for the HOT server:
  - Label: This is just a name for the server for yourself, enter: *HOT*
  - Address: The actual address of the server, enter: *talk.hotosm.org
  *
  - Port: The port that the server uses, leave this at the default
  value of: *64738*
  - Username: A username to identify yourself on the server, *please
  pick one to use*.
   - This Mumble server is *intended for use by the OpenStreetMap community
   only*.
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