Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using closed sources to spot errors (was: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin))

[Janko Mihelić]

sri, 21. ruj 2016. u 10:42 Martin Koppenhoefer 
napisao je:

>
> I am not sure if publishing the differences would be ok, but looking at
> them to decide where to survey is ok I think.
>

This service would be a personal tool for people to use, so no publishing.
Although you could share the link. I'm not sure what constitutes as
publishing.


> In your above sentence, rather than "which osm data is wrong" it should be
> "where osm data is different".
>

That's right.

Janko
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[OSM-legal-talk] Using closed sources to spot errors (was: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin))

[Janko Mihelić]

sri, 21. ruj 2016. u 08:54 joost schouppe 
napisao je:

>
> Using copyrighted material to spot errors in OSM is still copyright
> violation (well, a specialist in copyright should confirm that).
>

This is an interesting case. I think we are allowed to spot errors using
closed sources, but we can not use the source to say what is the right
solution. It's as if we are looking for differences between models, and
then using only the difference data to look further into the matter using
other sources (survey, Bing..).

This is interesting to me because I was thinking about making a service
that lists differences between OSM data and outside closed source data, and
then showing only what is different. Then people would use that "difference
data" to direct their mapping efforts. For example, take closed data about
opening hours, compare to OSM, and only show which OSM data is wrong
according to the closed source. Then mappers would go survey the shop.
Would this be OK?

Janko
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

[Janko Mihelić]

Maps.me made an announcement in the last update that they are using
Booking.com data to show hotels and allow reserving hotel rooms from within
the app. I doubt Booking.com released their data with a permissive license.

Janko Mihelić

pet, 8. srp 2016. u 14:54 Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> napisao
je:

> According to [1] if someone combines non-horizontal layers together,
> the results must be shared under the ODBL.
>
> From my investigation it appears that the MAPS.ME app [2] is combining
> OSM hotels with non-OSM hotels.
>
> https://tianjara.net/hosted/maps.me-1.png is a screenshot from the
> app. Hotel A appears in the app,
> but as far as I can tell was never in OSM but rather one of the hotels
> they've added to their app from Booking.com. Hotel B is from OSM.
>
> This is the area https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.87758/151.20447
>
> There are other examples of this too like this hotel
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/196622136 which in the app shows up
> next to their supplemented data like this
> https://tianjara.net/hosted/maps.me-2.png
>
> Am I correct that in order to be complaint with the license MAPS.ME
> either need to make this data available under the ODBL or remove all
> OSM hotels from their app?
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline#Examples_of_where_you_DO_need_to_share_your_non-OpenStreetMap_data
> [2] version 6.2.2-Google Data version: 160621
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

[Janko Mihelić]

What if I am selling an application that uses OSM tiles for background, and
users of the application can put their data over the background. So, I am
distributing the application with the osm tiles, but users aren't
distributing their data.

Does this mean that they can do that, until they decide to put their data
with the tiles online?

Thanks,
Janko.

2012/5/15 Mayeul Kauffmann mayeul.kauffm...@free.fr

 Hi,

 Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 18:47 +0400, Алексей Бадьянов a écrit :
  Dear legal talkers,
 
  we are currently developing Scheduling software that should show vehicle
 routes and GPS positions on the map.
  Can we use Open Street Map for this in case we are not opening the
 sources to the public?

 The question seems clear enough to me.
 Please note that this is not a legal advice (just a forum of users).

 You will find answers to many of your questions here:
 http://http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ
 In particular:
 If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it?
 The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available.
 But if you do choose to distribute it, or anything derived from it, it
 must be under the same licence terms as the OSM data.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Common_licence_interpretations
 I want to use OSM data with my GPS routing/mapping/other application.
 Do I have licence the application under the OSM licence?
 If the application is separate and independent, you do not need to
 licence it under the OSM licence. However, if you distribute OSM derived
 data with the application, that must be distributed under the OSM
 licence.  (note the warning: The interpretations expressed on this
 page are the opinions of their contributors, and may be disputed by some
 OSM mappers and copyright holders.)


 My understanding is as follows:
 Probably, for your application, you are going to do two things:
 1- build a software (copyrights and license are not at all affected by
 the fact that you use OSM data). When you say the sources, if you mean
 the source code of the application, then you are in this case: just use
 OSM data without giving away your application source code. The licence
 is meant to facilitate commercial uses of the data.

 2- convert/transform/improve OSM data for your application. As long as
 the new data remains within your company, data rights are not at all
 affected by the fact that you use OSM data, so you do not have to give
 anything. If you distribute modified/combined data, then there are some
 cases where you'll have to give some rights to the recipients of the
 data (but it is not possible to say more from what you say).

 Hope this helps,
 Mayeul

 
  many thanks for you help
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