Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
From what I recall, but this is not canon (insert disqualification etc) Ed Parsons from Google has basically said in one of his personal blog posts in 2008 [1] that interpreting the location of a point to create a new bit of data using their aerial imagery does not make it derived data, because the person uses their own judgement. This is contrasted to using say, the corner of a building in google maps to do the same thing. But legally, I think it is still completely uncertain. In a couple of projects, with the mapwarper (doing similar things), most institutions do not use the Google supplied Aerial imagery, but a couple do. I believe the example given was the mapping of recycling centres based on the interpretation of the imagery. He used the words Skill and judgement. I think, however, that this doesn't really allow OSM to trace wholesale the google imagery - but for cases where a persons skill and judgement are called, I think that it should be okay. Tim [1] http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ On 10 March 2012 14:45, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Paul, This isn't a matter of one or two maps. PLOTS is building a edit in OSM button for their website, there are already tons of maps that have been made: http://publiclaboratory.org/archive?page=1 -Kate On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps Hi, On 10 March 2012 03:51, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. I would also like to know, especially in the context of Jeff Warren's mail on talk. I think the legal side here is easier than the community customs. I have heard both obviously if it's rectified using Google, it can't be used in OSM, and obviously it doesn't matter. I think Bing support in Map Knitter (even though legally it's in the same bandwagon as Google) would have a better community acceptance. Where I tried rectifying something with Map Knitter, Google imagery was useless because of complete cloud cover, too. I'm not a lawyer but I believe standard practice for imagery providers here is to rectify based on a database of survey points and I don't believe the providers regard their imagery as a derivative work of the database. Next time I'm at the city I'll ask them. If you are rectifying, try to get *some* survey points for your warping. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
Hi Paul, This isn't a matter of one or two maps. PLOTS is building a edit in OSM button for their website, there are already tons of maps that have been made: http://publiclaboratory.org/archive?page=1 -Kate On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps Hi, On 10 March 2012 03:51, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. I would also like to know, especially in the context of Jeff Warren's mail on talk. I think the legal side here is easier than the community customs. I have heard both obviously if it's rectified using Google, it can't be used in OSM, and obviously it doesn't matter. I think Bing support in Map Knitter (even though legally it's in the same bandwagon as Google) would have a better community acceptance. Where I tried rectifying something with Map Knitter, Google imagery was useless because of complete cloud cover, too. I'm not a lawyer but I believe standard practice for imagery providers here is to rectify based on a database of survey points and I don't believe the providers regard their imagery as a derivative work of the database. Next time I'm at the city I'll ask them. If you are rectifying, try to get *some* survey points for your warping. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. Thanks! -Kate ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
Hi, On 10 March 2012 03:51, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. I would also like to know, especially in the context of Jeff Warren's mail on talk. I think the legal side here is easier than the community customs. I have heard both obviously if it's rectified using Google, it can't be used in OSM, and obviously it doesn't matter. I think Bing support in Map Knitter (even though legally it's in the same bandwagon as Google) would have a better community acceptance. Where I tried rectifying something with Map Knitter, Google imagery was useless because of complete cloud cover, too. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps
From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Digitizing from Balloon Maps Hi, On 10 March 2012 03:51, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, I was wondering what the license implications would be from digitizing from balloon maps that had been rectified from other satellite imagery. - So let's say you fly photos of an area - To stitch them together you use Google Maps imagery as the base - What is the deal with the imagery at that point? - If I trace the imagery is that really derived from Google Maps? It seems insignificant to me, but I wanted to get some insight. I would also like to know, especially in the context of Jeff Warren's mail on talk. I think the legal side here is easier than the community customs. I have heard both obviously if it's rectified using Google, it can't be used in OSM, and obviously it doesn't matter. I think Bing support in Map Knitter (even though legally it's in the same bandwagon as Google) would have a better community acceptance. Where I tried rectifying something with Map Knitter, Google imagery was useless because of complete cloud cover, too. I'm not a lawyer but I believe standard practice for imagery providers here is to rectify based on a database of survey points and I don't believe the providers regard their imagery as a derivative work of the database. Next time I'm at the city I'll ask them. If you are rectifying, try to get *some* survey points for your warping. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
