Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New data source

[Simon Poole]

I would suggest that you give a heads up on talk-gb in any case so that
other UK contributors know what's going on.

Simon

Am 18.01.2020 um 01:56 schrieb Cj Malone:
> Thanks Kathleen,
>
> I'll add attribution to the wiki tomorrow.
>
> My current intention isn't to automatically import, but rather
> generate a report where I can see where OSM names differ, then
> manually change the names is OSM via JOSM on a per node basis. Similar
> to https://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ for food hygiene data.
>
> Based on my limited survey of differences in OSM data and SV data,
> theirs has been more accurate. Not really surprising, since it's there
> network, and most of the OSM data hasn't been updated since the naptan
> import nearly a decade ago.
>
> I don't think I will be making the report public, although since the
> data is not unique to the local bus operator, but rather their service
> providers. I could make reports for all areas available if desired.
> https://www.discoverpassenger.com/2019/06/25/open-data-portals-go-ahead-group/
>
> I don't really think this is an import, but rather "machine assisted"
> (if that's a thing in OSM vocabulary) I will however message the
> import mailing list to check there opinion on this. And I'll ask them
> if there is any point moving to the newer tagging method of
> public_transport=platform, as well as (for legacy reasons)
> highway=bus_stop.
>
> Thank you
>
> On 17 January 2020 21:28:16 GMT, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Cj,
> Easiest method would be for you to update
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors with this
> information.
> (But please do note the import guidelines if you are thinking
> about importing)
> Best,
> Kathleen
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:26 AM Cj Malone  > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I recently saw that some bus stop names are out of date in my
> area. I
> updated the one I saw (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/533814248/history)
>
> But the local bus operator offers this data under Open Government
> License Version 3.0. (https://www.islandbuses.info/open-data)
>
> As far as I understand it OGL can be used in OSM, but needs
> attribution. Is this correct? How can OSM add the attribution
> so I can
> start using this dataset?
>
> Once someone verifies that I can use this dataset I intend to
> correct
> any OSM names, add fixme tags to any this I don't think exist
> any more.
> And possibly add naptan:AtcoCode=x to nodes that don't have it
> in OSM
> but do in the Southern Vectis dataset. And add
> "SouthernVectis" to the
> source tag which would usually mean, source=naptan_import ->
> source=naptan_import;SouthernVectis.
>
> Thanks
> Cj
>
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New data source

[Cj Malone]

Thanks Kathleen,

I'll add attribution to the wiki tomorrow.

My current intention isn't to automatically import, but rather generate a 
report where I can see where OSM names differ, then manually change the names 
is OSM via JOSM on a per node basis. Similar to 
https://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ for food hygiene data.

Based on my limited survey of differences in OSM data and SV data, theirs has 
been more accurate. Not really surprising, since it's there network, and most 
of the OSM data hasn't been updated since the naptan import nearly a decade ago.

I don't think I will be making the report public, although since the data is 
not unique to the local bus operator, but rather their service providers. I 
could make reports for all areas available if desired. 
https://www.discoverpassenger.com/2019/06/25/open-data-portals-go-ahead-group/

I don't really think this is an import, but rather "machine assisted" (if 
that's a thing in OSM vocabulary) I will however message the import mailing 
list to check there opinion on this. And I'll ask them if there is any point 
moving to the newer tagging method of public_transport=platform, as well as 
(for legacy reasons) highway=bus_stop.

Thank you

On 17 January 2020 21:28:16 GMT, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk 
 wrote:
>Hi Cj,
>Easiest method would be for you to update
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors with this information.
>(But please do note the import guidelines if you are thinking about
>importing)
>Best,
>Kathleen
>
>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:26 AM Cj Malone  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently saw that some bus stop names are out of date in my area. I
>> updated the one I saw (
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/533814248/history)
>>
>> But the local bus operator offers this data under Open Government
>> License Version 3.0. (https://www.islandbuses.info/open-data)
>>
>> As far as I understand it OGL can be used in OSM, but needs
>> attribution. Is this correct? How can OSM add the attribution so I
>can
>> start using this dataset?
>>
>> Once someone verifies that I can use this dataset I intend to correct
>> any OSM names, add fixme tags to any this I don't think exist any
>more.
>> And possibly add naptan:AtcoCode=x to nodes that don't have it in OSM
>> but do in the Southern Vectis dataset. And add "SouthernVectis" to
>the
>> source tag which would usually mean, source=naptan_import ->
>> source=naptan_import;SouthernVectis.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cj
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New data source

[Kathleen Lu via legal-talk]

Hi Cj,
Easiest method would be for you to update
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors with this information.
(But please do note the import guidelines if you are thinking about
importing)
Best,
Kathleen

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:26 AM Cj Malone  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently saw that some bus stop names are out of date in my area. I
> updated the one I saw (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/533814248/history)
>
> But the local bus operator offers this data under Open Government
> License Version 3.0. (https://www.islandbuses.info/open-data)
>
> As far as I understand it OGL can be used in OSM, but needs
> attribution. Is this correct? How can OSM add the attribution so I can
> start using this dataset?
>
> Once someone verifies that I can use this dataset I intend to correct
> any OSM names, add fixme tags to any this I don't think exist any more.
> And possibly add naptan:AtcoCode=x to nodes that don't have it in OSM
> but do in the Southern Vectis dataset. And add "SouthernVectis" to the
> source tag which would usually mean, source=naptan_import ->
> source=naptan_import;SouthernVectis.
>
> Thanks
> Cj
>
>
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[OSM-legal-talk] New data source

[Cj Malone]

Hello,

I recently saw that some bus stop names are out of date in my area. I
updated the one I saw (
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/533814248/history)

But the local bus operator offers this data under Open Government
License Version 3.0. (https://www.islandbuses.info/open-data)

As far as I understand it OGL can be used in OSM, but needs
attribution. Is this correct? How can OSM add the attribution so I can
start using this dataset?

Once someone verifies that I can use this dataset I intend to correct
any OSM names, add fixme tags to any this I don't think exist any more.
And possibly add naptan:AtcoCode=x to nodes that don't have it in OSM
but do in the Southern Vectis dataset. And add "SouthernVectis" to the
source tag which would usually mean, source=naptan_import ->
source=naptan_import;SouthernVectis.

Thanks
Cj


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