Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es
 wrote:

  Would it make a difference if the business is a large chain and had more
  than one address (possible a lot more than one address) on its website?

 In that case, you're doing a repeated extraction of non-substantial
 amounts of data. And that's perfectly OK to do under european law (and you
 retain all copyrights of the derived work of your repeated extraction).


I'm not sure it has to do with non-substantial amounts of data. But
business websites publishing their own address or list of addresses is
reallly intended to be shared and republished everywhere. It would be
different if the website is e.g. a directory of all shops of a given city
and their opening hours. Even if you extract only the pharmacies/drugstores
and it is a non-substantial amount of data, you will copy their work of
collecting this information.

Pieren
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/25 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

 The answer to this might be different if your jurisdiction doesn't apply
 the
 european database directive.



But which is the relevant jurisdiction, the one the mapper is in, or the
one the database is in (i.e. where you perform the actual action)?

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/4/25 Pieren pier...@gmail.com

 I'm not sure it has to do with non-substantial amounts of data. But
 business websites publishing their own address or list of addresses is
 reallly intended to be shared and republished everywhere.



I'd also see it like this, it is quite unlikely that they will sue your for
helping their marketing department spread the word. On the other hand from
a strictly legal point of view I have hardly seen a business website that
didn't claim full copyright on all contents.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 April 2013 11:14, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote:

 The folks who drafted the EU DB directive most likely were not aware that
 in a
 near future, a person from a country A could put data about country B in a
 DB
 inside a computer in a country C...


But in their world view there will only be one country in the future so
this short-term problem goes away ;)

Kevin
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[OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-24 Thread Michael
Hi,

is it permissible to incorporate parts of an address (I would be especially 
interested in house numbers) from a business' (or other POI's) website, if said 
business is already mapped in OpenStreetMap.

What I mean is for example if 'John Doe's Coffee-Shop' had a website that says 
'we're located at 12 Main St.', would it be okay to add the address to the 
appropriate OpenStreetMap location?

Would it make a difference if the business is a large chain and had more than 
one address (possible a lot more than one address) on its website?


Thanks for any insights,

Michael

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