Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:58:19AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: their aerial imagery from. - Ed Parsons once said that Google had to pay extra for traceable aerial imagery as the normal licenses would not have been suitable for using the material in an application like MapMaker. If none of us makes too much noise then we'll all get away Is using google imagery for OSM ok for the areas where they allow mapmaker? Has anyone asked Ed that? cu bart ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release
Hi, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Could you map ways using JOSM and Yahoo aerial photography, export the ways for a data set released under the public domain, and then import into OSM? Or does the interpretation of the Yahoo Maps terms-of-use require the data created with the aerial imagery to be released only under the OSM license? I believe that there is no special OSM agreement with Yahoo. Rather, Yahoo have carefully evaluated their existing terms of use and said to us that what we want to do is ok according to these terms. Since I do not believe that these terms contain any provision about the type of license you want to use derived data under, I guess it should be possible to create any data that way. Then again, we wouldn't want Yahoo to get all scared and say if that is the case then we'd rather re-read our terms again... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release
Thanks for the response Frederick. I wonder why release of data under the public domain might make Yahoo uneasy. It might actually make them less uneasy, since they could then do what they wanted with the data that was produced. Landon On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: Could you map ways using JOSM and Yahoo aerial photography, export the ways for a data set released under the public domain, and then import into OSM? Or does the interpretation of the Yahoo Maps terms-of-use require the data created with the aerial imagery to be released only under the OSM license? I believe that there is no special OSM agreement with Yahoo. Rather, Yahoo have carefully evaluated their existing terms of use and said to us that what we want to do is ok according to these terms. Since I do not believe that these terms contain any provision about the type of license you want to use derived data under, I guess it should be possible to create any data that way. Then again, we wouldn't want Yahoo to get all scared and say if that is the case then we'd rather re-read our terms again... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release
Hi, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: I wonder why release of data under the public domain might make Yahoo uneasy. It might actually make them less uneasy, since they could then do what they wanted with the data that was produced. My hunch is that they *might* just have overstepped (or at least: very liberally interpreted) their own rights vis a vis the people they buy their aerial imagery from. - Ed Parsons once said that Google had to pay extra for traceable aerial imagery as the normal licenses would not have been suitable for using the material in an application like MapMaker. If none of us makes too much noise then we'll all get away with it - the people from whom Yahoo license their imagery might well know what we're doing but as long as it is limited to OSM they might not care too much as they can still sell their premium traceable licenses to other people. Just a hunch though, might be completely off. Mikel Maron is the guy who had the talks with Yahoo so he's probably best suited to give you details. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release
What you stated makes sense. It's probably better not to make waves. I've got some USDA imagery I can use instead, although the resolution isn't as good. The Sunburned Surveyor On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: I wonder why release of data under the public domain might make Yahoo uneasy. It might actually make them less uneasy, since they could then do what they wanted with the data that was produced. My hunch is that they *might* just have overstepped (or at least: very liberally interpreted) their own rights vis a vis the people they buy their aerial imagery from. - Ed Parsons once said that Google had to pay extra for traceable aerial imagery as the normal licenses would not have been suitable for using the material in an application like MapMaker. If none of us makes too much noise then we'll all get away with it - the people from whom Yahoo license their imagery might well know what we're doing but as long as it is limited to OSM they might not care too much as they can still sell their premium traceable licenses to other people. Just a hunch though, might be completely off. Mikel Maron is the guy who had the talks with Yahoo so he's probably best suited to give you details. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
