[L-I] STRATEGIES IN WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES-FOOD FOR THOUGHT?
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[L-I] "MANIC/S"
or those who don't know, the "Manics" are Socialist Labour Party supporters. > Thursday, December 21, 2000 > > CUBA IS RIGHT UP OUR STREET > > WELSH rockers the Manic Street Preachers will become the first > western band to perform in Cuba when they play there in February. > > The band, who have not played live this year, will appear at the 5000- > capacity Karl Marx Theatre in the capital, Havana. > > Bass player Nicky Wire said: "It could be a disaster. > > "There might be no PA or whatever but it's the idea that it is a bit > of an adventure. It'll be like Wham! in China." > > > > > ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] Re: Red Rebel (re: Owen Jones)
Hallo James, I always thought that there are two main handicaps that makes the marxists movement in the West so weak: One is to ignore any knowledge of dialetic analysis when discussion among each other. The other always to believe that the comrades which are not exactly on ones positions are the main enimies. That is somehow catholic. You are totally right, I am afraid. However, my main point was, to get Owen be treated as a comrade and not find him expelled from the list. I do not agree with Owen wording, fucking - I do not, I would be a motherfucking arsehole if I would fucking do. But I don't. So if Owen would kindly say, that he agrees that the kind of colloquial speech he used were not o.k. and if those being the beafeater of tower of correctness would kindly change the uniforms into normal streetware, we would be much further... Martin ~ Visit http://www.communards.de for information of struggles worldwide. Post your events at http://metaevents.com/Communards/calendrome.cgi Send information for mailings to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BOYKOTT GMX: http://www.netz-antifa.org ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] On e-mail language (sorry, moderators!)
En relación a [L-I] Re: Red Rebel (re: Owen Jones), el 22 Dec 00, a las 12:47, Communards dijo: > So if Owen would > kindly say, that he agrees that the kind of colloquial speech he used were not > o.k. and if those being the beafeater of tower of correctness would kindly > change the uniforms into normal streetware, we would be much further... Not being a "beefeater of the tower of correctness" myself (though yes a beefeater, being a regular Argie), I would like to stress that "normal streetware", in an environment where you do not see the "other one's" face, nor do you feel the emotion in a message, must be more careful than in everyday life. Many on this list, for example, do not have English as our mother language. It is very hard for most of us to recognize subtleties and hues of expression in everyday English talk, what not of e-mail writing. I would suggest the comrades to read the welcome letter again, a letter that has been drafted by Mark Jones and yours truly in order to establish some basic rules that make communication useful. Gutters are part of the streets, and sometimes normal streetware becomes normal gutterware. This is not the idea in L-I. The idea is that the comrades post interesting, pungent, acid and corrosive ideas and informations. Not gutter language. We have a duty to, as some Latin American writer said of a deceased Nicaraguan poet, raise our language to the highest level, because this will be the level at which we shall draft our decrees and laws. This may sound ridiculous for many, but although the only material audience here are the hundred and so maniacs who still struggle for a revolutionary Leninist Marxism, in fact we are being observed by centuries of human history. Casual speaking yes, but we owe some respect to those centuries (the ones that have already passed by and the ones to come). Sorry, moderators. I know this is _your_ duty, not mine, but I felt I might be of help. > > Martin > > ~ > Visit http://www.communards.de for information of struggles worldwide. > Post your events at http://metaevents.com/Communards/calendrome.cgi > Send information for mailings to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > BOYKOTT GMX: http://www.netz-antifa.org > > > ___ > Leninist-International mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] On e-mail language (sorry, moderators!)
Nestor wrote: >En relación a [L-I] Re: Red Rebel (re: Owen Jones), >el 22 Dec 00, a las 12:47, Communards dijo: > >> So if Owen would >> kindly say, that he agrees that the kind of colloquial speech he >>used were not >> o.k. and if those being the beafeater of tower of correctness would kindly >> change the uniforms into normal streetware, we would be much further... > >Not being a "beefeater of the tower of correctness" myself (though yes a >beefeater, being a regular Argie), I would like to stress that "normal >streetware", in an environment where you do not see the "other >one's" face, nor >do you feel the emotion in a message, must be more careful than in everyday >life. Many on this list, for example, do not have English as our mother >language. It is very hard for most of us to recognize subtleties and hues of >expression in everyday English talk, what not of e-mail writing. I would >suggest the comrades to read the welcome letter again, a letter that has been >drafted by Mark Jones and yours truly in order to establish some basic rules >that make communication useful. > >Gutters are part of the streets, and sometimes normal streetware >becomes normal >gutterware. This is not the idea in L-I. The idea is that the comrades post >interesting, pungent, acid and corrosive ideas and informations. Not gutter >language. We have a duty to, as some Latin American writer said of a deceased >Nicaraguan poet, raise our language to the highest level, because this will be >the level at which we shall draft our decrees and laws. > >This may sound ridiculous for many, but although the only material audience >here are the hundred and so maniacs who still struggle for a revolutionary >Leninist Marxism, in fact we are being observed by centuries of human history. >Casual speaking yes, but we owe some respect to those centuries (the ones that >have already passed by and the ones to come). > >Sorry, moderators. I know this is _your_ duty, not mine, but I felt I might be >of help. I, a co-moderator of L-I, endorse every word spoken by Nestor above. While I suspended Owen from L-I in the interest of cooling down the list's temperature, Owen is welcome to re-subscribe to the list, _provided_ that he pays respect to centuries of class struggles to which we owe our very presence & that his respect is reflected in the language he uses. As for cop-baiting, Staling-baiting, Hitler-baiting, etc., you all know that they have no business appearing in any part of your post, even in the midst of an impassioned debate. Moreover, while L-I moderators have no way of monitoring offlist notes you might send to one another, please avoid the kind of language you cannot use on the list in offlist notes to L-I subscribers as well. Offlist harassment, provocation, etc. -- if brought to the list's attention -- should result in suspension. Yoshie Furuhashi ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] Re: For the Moderators' Attention
Apologies to list members for speaking on this so late, I have not been at a computer for awhile. Re: the personal touch that was put on what looked to be a promising political discussion, I wanted to say the following, first of all to Owen: This matter was dealt with off-list. Please all comrades from anywhere in the world: Before you post about the squabbles within your own section of the left, please ask yourself this much: Is the story you are posting likely to have anyone outside of the parties and/or individuals involved writing about it? If only the "other side" of a debate would have an opinion, or if the entire substance of a post is to be about how bad somebody else is, save it. If the only reason we have heard of someone is because a seperate comrade felt it necessary to denouce him or her, then that denunciation has no place on L-I. Or at least, that's an approximation of the kind of atmosphere we continue to want to foster online. Macdonald Stainsby, Co-Moderator ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left
> > "The conditions for fascism are not present in Turkey in the year 2000"! > > Open your eyes Owen. > > > > James Tait. I am not sure what point you are making here, James. It isn't a fascist society in Turkey anymore than Canada or the US is fascist. But that word is simply a way to let the bloody murderers off the hook. The systematic genocides of the indigenous in all three "democracies" continiues unabated. Some of the worst human rights violations in history are being committed by these "freedom lovers" who are, essentialy, "anti-fascist". Anti-fascist in the sense that they do not want a state that acts with a mind of it's own and can feel secure. Mussolini wasn't as good a bidder as all the US presidents combined. That's the legacy of "anti-fascism". People who use the word fascist to insult "democratic" regimes essentially help in the most important propaganda tactic that exists: keeping a large distance between "free" and "totalitarian". Call it what it is: Democratic genocide that finds fascism simply unnecessary. Macdonald ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left
Comrades, I have been away for a few days and unable to keep up with my email (my computer was sick). I have been going through the best of my emails and came across this one, to which I replied (obviously). Now I see I have missed quite the blow up, one that needs to be put to sleep. I therefore withdraw my comments and ask people *not* to respond to my points, except off-list, should they so desire. Comradely regards, a humbled co-moderator Macdonald Stainsby - Original Message - From: Macdonald Stainsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am not sure what point you are making here, James. It isn't a fascist society in > Turkey anymore than Canada or the US is fascist. But that word is simply a way to let > the bloody murderers off the hook. The systematic genocides of the indigenous in all > three "democracies" continiues unabated. Some of the worst human rights violations in > history are being committed by these "freedom lovers" who are, essentialy, *SNIP* ___ Leninist-International mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/leninist-international
[L-I] UK: SLP diary of Solidarity with Turkish Comrades (3rd to 19th December 2000)
(Forwarded)
The following is a diary of events of Socialist Labour Party and SLP Youth
solidarity with Turkish hunger strikers against isolation cells. Apart from
the Sussex University meeting all the events took place in London. SLP
conduct internationalism because we understand the necessity to support
other oppressed and exploited people around the world who are struggling
against monopoly capitalism (imperialism) which is also the enemy of the
British working class; we closely follow and support other revolutionary
movements so that we can learn the lessons from them and so that they may
learn and contribute to our duty to organise people in Britain to defeat
'our own' British ruling class. (written by Sukant Chandan, SLP Youth,
22/12/00)
1. Sun 3rd Dec; Prisoners rally
2. Tues 5th Dec; IKM (Committee to struggle against torture through
isolation cells) and DHKC (Revolutionary Peoples Liberation Front)
presentation at London SLP study class.
3. Sat 9 Dec; Turkish prisoners march from Hyde Park meets Colombian
solidarity picket at Whitehall
4. Thurs 14 Dec; IKM and DHKC meeting at Sussex Uni at invitation of Sussex
Uni Palestine Society.
5. Tues 19 Dec; Prisoners picket outside Turkish Embassy
1. Sun 3rd Dec; Prisoners rally
Several SLP Youth cadres and friends attended and had a stall at a social
rally in support of the Turkish hunger strikers were thousands of Turkish
people of all ages were in attendance. The highlight of the night was a
performance of the revolutionary Turkish group 'Grup Yorum'. SLP Youth
submitted a statement expressing their solidarity with the action and
demands of the hunger strikers.
SLP was the only party from the British left present at the rally.
2. Tues 5th Dec; IKM (Committee to struggle against torture through
isolation cells) and DHKC (Revolutionary Peoples Liberation Front)
presentation at London SLP study class.
A comrade from IKM and DHKC made a presentation at the London SLP
fortnightly study class. Awareness on the struggle in Turkey was raised
among SLP cadres and money was raised for the Vitamin B12 (?) which will
help the hunger strikers to minimalise the risk of damage to the nervous
system after the hunger strikes.
3. Sat 9 Dec; Turkish prisoners march from Hyde Park meets Colombian
solidarity picket at Whitehall
SLP Youth and more than 15 friends, who they mobilised, were present at both
the 200 strong Turkish prisoners march and the Colombia solidarity picket of
over 100.
Many of SLP Youth friends who were mobilised were from Sussex Uni Cuba
Solidarity society, which the SLP Youth fully support and work in. This
society has organised two meeting were Lasocol and Lexander Lopez, a leading
trade unionist from Colombia spoke to meetings of over 50 students. This
society brought its banner which was flown with the caption 'Stop Plan
Colombia [US package of more than $6 billion dollars to fight against the
Colombian people and their liberation movement], Support the resistance
movement'. The Colombian picket organised by the Latin American Solidarity
Collective Against US Intervention in Colombia (Lasocol) showed their
internationalism by supporting the Turkish hunger strikers by having a joint
picket and shouting slogans in unison against imperialism and fascism. SLP
Youth cadres Dan Gazebrook and Sukant Chandan delivered a short statement at
the picket which expressed that all people, regardless of nationality, must
fight united against imperialism of either imperialists be they US, British,
French German imperialism despite what political they may shroud themselves
in ('Labour' Imperialism for example in Britain). The statement by SLP Youth
was very much welcomed.
SLP was the only U.K party represented at these events except for the
presence
of the Socialist Workers Party who, despite us welcoming any supporters,
tend to spend much more time denouncing revolutionary movements as they are
not their idea of perfect, .i.e., we don't chummy up to British Imperialist
Labour Government who, in keeping faithfully to British Imperialism as they
have always been IN THEIR ACTIONS, pass racist immigration policies, throw
millions into unemployment, and conduct imperialist terror abroad on Iraq
and Yugoslavia. Imperialism is very happy with 'revolutionaries' like these.
4. Thurs 14 Dec; IKM and DHKC meeting at Sussex Uni at invitation of Sussex
University Palestine Society.
Sussex Uni-Brighton SLP and SLP Youth cell have supported Sussex Uni
Palestine Society and helped to organise one of the best, in terms of
attendance and political messages, meetings in Brighton this academic year
with well over 70, mainly young people attending. This meeting expressed its
unequivocal support for the resurgence of the 'Intifada'(uprising) and the
Palestinian liberation struggle by every means it seems fit be it cultural,
political, diplomatic and military.
IKM and DHKC came and made a presentation at the invitation of the Society
on the struggle of the hunger strikers w
