Self Contained Leo Executable

[Thomas Passin]

I just tried making a self-contained Leo installer for Windows with 
PyInstaller.  the executable failed with this error:

  File "leo\core\leoApp.py", line 1853, in reportDirectories
g.es(f"{kind:>10}:", os.path.normpath(theDir), color='blue')
 
  File "", line 540, in normpath
TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType

[1556] Failed to execute script 'launchLeo' due to unhandled exception!

Even after this gets handled, there is going to have to be some 
hand-crafted configuration to get the whole thing working right.  See 
PyInstaller 
Manual 

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

I've extended the outline quite a bit.  Please take a look and let me know 
your reactions.  

New User's Guide To Leo 

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:40:40 PM UTC-4 Thomas Passin wrote:

> I think it's not too hard on Windows, but that installer wouldn't work on 
> a Mac.  Without actually having a Mac, I don't see how it would be 
> possible. Linux is a whole other kettle of fish.  It's only on Linux that 
> I've ever had any trouble.  On Windows, getting Leo going hasn't fought 
> back for me.
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:50:13 PM UTC-4 Rob wrote:
>
>> Echo what @Paul said about an installer. I believe the biggest obstacle 
>> to higher adoption of Leo isn't how to `use` Leo`, but how to install it. 
>> Every time I need to install on a new machine, I dread it! Consider 
>> Picard , a music tagging application. It 
>> is a Python program that contains all the dependencies needed to install 
>> and run (Python, Qt, etc.) I have managed to get Leo running on Windows 
>> (challenging, but doable) and a Mac. I hope I never have to install it on a 
>> Mac again as that was nearly impossible (at least for me). Perhaps @Paul 
>> meant Mac instead of Mad?
>>
>> I have no idea how difficult it is to build a self-contained installer, 
>> but perhaps it might be worth the effort.
>>
>> Rob...
>>
>>

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Re: Impressive ChatGPT responses

[Félix]

Imagine for a second, if you will, being a teacher, and being able to 
transliterate the text of a lesson, or whole textbook into something 
written as if the author was some personal super-hero, or mythic legendary 
being, that the child is specifically currently obsessed with...

Even more, imagine now that all 27 students of your class have a different 
character they're obsessed with, no problem, just run the query with a list 
of those 27 character names that those kids will gladly give in an instant! 
A couple year's work of professional writers done in seconds, now available 
for being printed on the laser copier and distributed.
 
(i know chatgpt/gpt 3.5 cant do this given a whole long text , but gpt4 can)

Anyways, i was just curious to read more experiences/reactions from 
leonistas about this new AI science that is blooming right now ! :)

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:

> Maybe off-topic, (and sorry in advance if you've seen those kinds of 
> interactions with chatGPT before)  but while I'm finishing translating Leo 
> to typescript, I now use chatGPT to help move along faster. (while 
> verifying his answers carefully 'cause he sometimes hallucinates a little 
> something here and there) 
>
> I sometimes do a little extra interaction with it just for fun, mostly 
> because i'm still curious about that new wonder of the world that is AI can 
> do!
>
>  (like thanking him, and treating him like a person, to see how it will 
> react and answer, or sometimes just acting like it's the super intelligence 
> they have on the holodeck in startrek, i.e. asking him to role-play or act 
> as some historical figure... )
>
> So i thought you'd find it interesting to see this screenshot (also note 
> the choice of strings it took to fill in the arrays in the example code 
> below it's answer too!) 
>
> Félix
> [image: screenshot-gpt.png]
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> An interesting post on the subject, including "alignment": Large 
>> language model alignment “bias” and cultural consensus theory 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 12:57:32 PM UTC-4 Edward K. Ream wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:13 AM Thomas Passin  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And now comes Google:  Google's Bard AI Chatbot Can Now Help You Code 
 and Create Functions For Google Sheets 
 .
   
 *But*: Googlers say Bard AI is “worse than useless,” ethics concerns 
 were ignored 
 
 .

>>>
>>> There will be false starts.
>>>
>>> Here's an pithy intro to LLMs and NNs:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnA9DMvHtfI
>>>
>>> Edward
>>>
>>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

I think it's not too hard on Windows, but that installer wouldn't work on a 
Mac.  Without actually having a Mac, I don't see how it would be possible. 
Linux is a whole other kettle of fish.  It's only on Linux that I've ever 
had any trouble.  On Windows, getting Leo going hasn't fought back for me.

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:50:13 PM UTC-4 Rob wrote:

> Echo what @Paul said about an installer. I believe the biggest obstacle to 
> higher adoption of Leo isn't how to `use` Leo`, but how to install it. 
> Every time I need to install on a new machine, I dread it! Consider Picard 
> , a music tagging application. It is a 
> Python program that contains all the dependencies needed to install and run 
> (Python, Qt, etc.) I have managed to get Leo running on Windows 
> (challenging, but doable) and a Mac. I hope I never have to install it on a 
> Mac again as that was nearly impossible (at least for me). Perhaps @Paul 
> meant Mac instead of Mad?
>
> I have no idea how difficult it is to build a self-contained installer, 
> but perhaps it might be worth the effort.
>
> Rob...
>
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Rob]

Echo what @Paul said about an installer. I believe the biggest obstacle to 
higher adoption of Leo isn't how to `use` Leo`, but how to install it. 
Every time I need to install on a new machine, I dread it! Consider Picard 
, a music tagging application. It is a 
Python program that contains all the dependencies needed to install and run 
(Python, Qt, etc.) I have managed to get Leo running on Windows 
(challenging, but doable) and a Mac. I hope I never have to install it on a 
Mac again as that was nearly impossible (at least for me). Perhaps @Paul 
meant Mac instead of Mad?

I have no idea how difficult it is to build a self-contained installer, but 
perhaps it might be worth the effort.

Rob...

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 3:31:45 PM UTC-4 Paul wrote:

Explain CLONING up front: not mind mapping or concept mapping, virtually 
unige


Not as unique as you might think (e.g., TreeLine 
).  What's probably unique - or at 
least valuable - is how clones can be used with Leo.  This bit of the first 
section is about clones without using the term.  The term "clones" will 
not, I think, convey anything useful to new users -

"You can collect files and nodes into more than one grouping as you wish."
 
I do plan to add some material about clones, but I haven't worked out where 
or how yet. Clones do not have anything to do with what a new user faces 
after Leo has been opened.  That's what I'm most interested in for this 
Guide.

And for the love of whatever, make Windows / Mad installer


I'm not sure what you mean here.  Do you mean to package up Leo as an 
application so that even Python does not need to be installed separately?  
There are a number of systems that are supposed to do that.  It might be 
worthwhile.  I don't know what you mean by "Mad". 

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Paul S. Wilson]

Sorry for tyoes

On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:31 PM Paul S. Wilson  wrote:

> Two biggies after 20 years
>
> Explain CLONING up front: not mind mapping or concept mapping, virtually
> unige
>
> And for the love of whatever, make Windows / Mad installer
>
> 20-year blocker for magnitude adoption (10x 100x ?)
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:21 PM Paul S. Wilson  wrote:
>
>>  All onboard.  Look forward to collaborate and learn
>>
>> New Users' Guide to Leo
>>
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Paul S. Wilson]

Two biggies after 20 years

Explain CLONING up front: not mind mapping or concept mapping, virtually
unige

And for the love of whatever, make Windows / Mad installer

20-year blocker for magnitude adoption (10x 100x ?)

Paul

On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:21 PM Paul S. Wilson  wrote:

>  All onboard.  Look forward to collaborate and learn
>
> New Users' Guide to Leo
>

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New User's Guide To Leo

[Paul S. Wilson]

 All onboard.  Look forward to collaborate and learn

New Users' Guide to Leo

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Re: two comma presses == no change?!

[Edward K. Ream]

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:04 AM jkn  wrote:

> fantastic - my efficiency will skyrocket!
>

Glad to help, hehe.

Edward

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

Thanks!  Partly I'm motivated by the experience of opening a new program, 
seeing the window, and not being able to do a thing.  It's so frustrating!  
I've had that happen a few times too many, and I wouldn't want new Leo 
users to go through it.  And partly because it's so hard to give 
non-Leoistas a feel for what they could do with Leo once they get into 
using it.

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:52:48 AM UTC-4 off...@riseup.net wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> This looks pretty good! Thanks for the document and the effort behind. 
>
> The visual tour of what Leo is capable of is very compelling and a good 
> showcase to new users about why to use Leo.
>
> Keep the good work,
>
> Offray
> On 7/05/23 23:56, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> I've been thinking that there should be a book on Leo.  I don't think I've 
> got another book left in me, but I'm not completely happy with the existing 
> docs because I don't think they really match what a new user faces when 
> trying to fire up Leo and use it the first few times.   (Also, I don't know 
> that a publisher would be interested because the number of potential 
> readers might seem too small). 
>
> So I am working on a guide for new users.  It's a Sphinx document, 
> created, of course, in Leo.  It's at a very early stage so far, but I've 
> put it up on my server so people can see it and make suggestions.
>
> I've included the "elevator speech" for Leo that I posted in an earlier 
> Groups thread.  One of the things that might be of the most interest at 
> this point is the group of screenshots that I've labeled "Leo In Action".  
> They illustrate Leo being used for some of the kinds of tasks I've listed 
> in an earlier section.
>
> Please take a look and let me know what you think, bearing in mind that 
> it's a *very* preliminary and incomplete draft.
>
> New User's Guide To Leo 
> 
>
> PS - If anyone else wants to try writing a Leo book, I'm a good technical 
> and general editor.  I'd be glad to help out in that way.
>
> PPS - Some of the screen shots are of a fresh install on a Linux virtual 
> machine.  I'm running Windows 10, and I captured the Linux screen shots 
> using a *Windows* screenshot utility, then converted them to png files 
> with Windows Paint.  This was easier than trying to use a Linux screen 
> capture utility in the VM, converting it into a png file, and then 
> transferring it over to the Windows host.
>
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Re: two comma presses == no change?!

[jkn]

fantastic - my efficiency will skyrocket!

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 3:00:48 PM UTC+1 Edward K. Ream wrote:

> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:52 AM Rob  wrote:
>
>> If, for some reason I might need 2 commas in succession, my workaround is 
>> to type `, ,` (inserted space between commas). 
>
>
> Or type one comma, backspace, and type the other comma :-)
>
> Edward
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi Thomas,

This looks pretty good! Thanks for the document and the effort behind.

The visual tour of what Leo is capable of is very compelling and a good 
showcase to new users about why to use Leo.


Keep the good work,

Offray

On 7/05/23 23:56, Thomas Passin wrote:
I've been thinking that there should be a book on Leo.  I don't think 
I've got another book left in me, but I'm not completely happy with 
the existing docs because I don't think they really match what a new 
user faces when trying to fire up Leo and use it the first few times. 
(Also, I don't know that a publisher would be interested because the 
number of potential readers might seem too small).


So I am working on a guide for new users.  It's a Sphinx document, 
created, of course, in Leo.  It's at a very early stage so far, but 
I've put it up on my server so people can see it and make suggestions.


I've included the "elevator speech" for Leo that I posted in an 
earlier Groups thread.  One of the things that might be of the most 
interest at this point is the group of screenshots that I've labeled 
"Leo In Action".  They illustrate Leo being used for some of the kinds 
of tasks I've listed in an earlier section.


Please take a look and let me know what you think, bearing in mind 
that it's a *very* preliminary and incomplete draft.


New User's Guide To Leo 



PS - If anyone else wants to try writing a Leo book, I'm a good 
technical and general editor.  I'd be glad to help out in that way.


PPS - Some of the screen shots are of a fresh install on a Linux 
virtual machine.  I'm running Windows 10, and I captured the Linux 
screen shots using a *Windows* screenshot utility, then converted them 
to png files with Windows Paint. This was easier than trying to use a 
Linux screen capture utility in the VM, converting it into a png file, 
and then transferring it over to the Windows host.

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

Thanks... I'll add some material about LaTex.

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 10:32:29 AM UTC-4 Rob wrote:

> I usually use @file w/ @language=tex for the xxx.tex files and Leo handles 
> the comments appropriately. Works great!
>
> I also have created several standard templates for typical document types 
> w/ all the special preamble commands.
>
> Rob...
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 10:27:53 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Texnic Center looks pretty good, at a quick glance.  Do you write an 
> @clean TeX document in Leo, then process it into LaTex with Texnic Center?
>
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Rob]

I usually use @file w/ @language=tex for the xxx.tex files and Leo handles 
the comments appropriately. Works great!

I also have created several standard templates for typical document types 
w/ all the special preamble commands.

Rob...

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 10:27:53 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

Texnic Center looks pretty good, at a quick glance.  Do you write an @clean 
TeX document in Leo, then process it into LaTex with Texnic Center?

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

Texnic Center looks pretty good, at a quick glance.  Do you write an @clean 
TeX document in Leo, then process it into LaTex with Texnic Center?

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-4 Rob wrote:

> I don't use Leo for that. I suppose I could, but I don't know how to 
> create a suitable script. I'm on Windows, so I use Texnic Center 
>  to create the documents (PDFs). It's easy 
> enough and allows for projects w/ multiple related documents. Perhaps I 
> could write up my workflow at some point if anyone might find it useful.
>
> Rob...
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:58:57 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks!  I have only used it for LaTex a few times and it didn't come to 
> mind.  How do you create the actual document from the Leo outline?
>
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Rob]

I don't use Leo for that. I suppose I could, but I don't know how to create 
a suitable script. I'm on Windows, so I use Texnic Center 
 to create the documents (PDFs). It's easy 
enough and allows for projects w/ multiple related documents. Perhaps I 
could write up my workflow at some point if anyone might find it useful.

Rob...

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:58:57 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks!  I have only used it for LaTex a few times and it didn't come to 
mind.  How do you create the actual document from the Leo outline?

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Re: two comma presses == no change?!

[Edward K. Ream]

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:52 AM Rob  wrote:

> If, for some reason I might need 2 commas in succession, my workaround is
> to type `, ,` (inserted space between commas).


Or type one comma, backspace, and type the other comma :-)

Edward

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Thomas Passin]

Thanks!  I have only used it for LaTex a few times and it didn't come to 
mind.  How do you create the actual document from the Leo outline?

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:59:48 AM UTC-4 Rob wrote:

> Looks good! May I also suggest to add LaTeX to the list of structured 
> language support. There are more than a few of us LaTeX users on this 
> group. I use Leo extensively as a LaTeX editor, especially finding the 
> abbreviations a real time saver! My 2 cents.
>
> Rob...
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:56:37 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking that there should be a book on Leo.  I don't think 
>> I've got another book left in me, but I'm not completely happy with the 
>> existing docs because I don't think they really match what a new user faces 
>> when trying to fire up Leo and use it the first few times.   (Also, I don't 
>> know that a publisher would be interested because the number of potential 
>> readers might seem too small).
>>
>> So I am working on a guide for new users.  It's a Sphinx document, 
>> created, of course, in Leo.  It's at a very early stage so far, but I've 
>> put it up on my server so people can see it and make suggestions.
>>
>> I've included the "elevator speech" for Leo that I posted in an earlier 
>> Groups thread.  One of the things that might be of the most interest at 
>> this point is the group of screenshots that I've labeled "Leo In Action".  
>> They illustrate Leo being used for some of the kinds of tasks I've listed 
>> in an earlier section.
>>
>> Please take a look and let me know what you think, bearing in mind that 
>> it's a *very* preliminary and incomplete draft.
>>
>> New User's Guide To Leo 
>> 
>>
>> PS - If anyone else wants to try writing a Leo book, I'm a good technical 
>> and general editor.  I'd be glad to help out in that way.
>>
>> PPS - Some of the screen shots are of a fresh install on a Linux virtual 
>> machine.  I'm running Windows 10, and I captured the Linux screen shots 
>> using a *Windows* screenshot utility, then converted them to png files 
>> with Windows Paint.  This was easier than trying to use a Linux screen 
>> capture utility in the VM, converting it into a png file, and then 
>> transferring it over to the Windows host.
>>
>

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Re: two comma presses == no change?!

[jkn]

I do the same. The occurrence is rare enough that I am surprised when I 
encounter the original behaviour - at the moment I treat it as an amusing 
quirk ...

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 1:52:32 PM UTC+1 Rob wrote:

> If, for some reason I might need 2 commas in succession, my workaround is 
> to type `, ,` (inserted space between commas). Then I simply backspace and 
> delete the space character. The only time I have actually done this is to 
> document my abbreviations. HTH
>
> Rob...
>
> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 7:18:58 AM UTC-4 jkn wrote:
>
>> I'm more curious than anything...
>>
>> If I press the comma ',' key twice in succession, the first character 
>> placed in the body text by the first press, gets deleted on the second 
>> press!
>>
>> I don't know of any setting, command, or abbreviation that I have that 
>> might be causing this - any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, J^n
>>
>

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Re: New User's Guide To Leo

[Rob]

Looks good! May I also suggest to add LaTeX to the list of structured 
language support. There are more than a few of us LaTeX users on this 
group. I use Leo extensively as a LaTeX editor, especially finding the 
abbreviations a real time saver! My 2 cents.

Rob...

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:56:37 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been thinking that there should be a book on Leo.  I don't think I've 
> got another book left in me, but I'm not completely happy with the existing 
> docs because I don't think they really match what a new user faces when 
> trying to fire up Leo and use it the first few times.   (Also, I don't know 
> that a publisher would be interested because the number of potential 
> readers might seem too small).
>
> So I am working on a guide for new users.  It's a Sphinx document, 
> created, of course, in Leo.  It's at a very early stage so far, but I've 
> put it up on my server so people can see it and make suggestions.
>
> I've included the "elevator speech" for Leo that I posted in an earlier 
> Groups thread.  One of the things that might be of the most interest at 
> this point is the group of screenshots that I've labeled "Leo In Action".  
> They illustrate Leo being used for some of the kinds of tasks I've listed 
> in an earlier section.
>
> Please take a look and let me know what you think, bearing in mind that 
> it's a *very* preliminary and incomplete draft.
>
> New User's Guide To Leo 
> 
>
> PS - If anyone else wants to try writing a Leo book, I'm a good technical 
> and general editor.  I'd be glad to help out in that way.
>
> PPS - Some of the screen shots are of a fresh install on a Linux virtual 
> machine.  I'm running Windows 10, and I captured the Linux screen shots 
> using a *Windows* screenshot utility, then converted them to png files 
> with Windows Paint.  This was easier than trying to use a Linux screen 
> capture utility in the VM, converting it into a png file, and then 
> transferring it over to the Windows host.
>

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Re: two comma presses == no change?!

[Rob]

If, for some reason I might need 2 commas in succession, my workaround is 
to type `, ,` (inserted space between commas). Then I simply backspace and 
delete the space character. The only time I have actually done this is to 
document my abbreviations. HTH

Rob...

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 7:18:58 AM UTC-4 jkn wrote:

> I'm more curious than anything...
>
> If I press the comma ',' key twice in succession, the first character 
> placed in the body text by the first press, gets deleted on the second 
> press!
>
> I don't know of any setting, command, or abbreviation that I have that 
> might be causing this - any thoughts?
>
> Thanks, J^n
>

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