Re: expected behavior for removing spaces before lines outputed by an indented '@others'

2023-06-23 Thread Félix
Yes. This inquiry only concerns @clean, not @file. 

When being refreshed from file after unindenting a line coming from an 
indented @others node, I would have expected the first line encountered (*being 
unindented past the indentation of it's originator @other node*), to be 
considered the first line to be *after* the @other node content. (as it 
cannot be from the original indented @other node, therefore it should be 
seen as a new content for after the @other directive. (along with all it's 
following lines in that node's output).

A 'ctrl+s' following that refreshing does not trigger it being re-written, 
as leo seems to consider this not being a 'dirty' state... so that behavior 
does not have an explicit apparent drawback.. but it's still there! hehe...

And so i'm wondering if it's the intended behavior..., and so I thought I'd 
ask people in this forum about their thoughts on that matter :)

Félix



On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh, I see.  If it's an external file with sentinels it could be tricky 
> because you'd have to unindent the correct block the right amount, 
> sentinels and all.  I just succeeded  with an @file tree, but it would be 
> easy to mess it up.  I converted the file to an @clean file and when I 
> unindented the line in the external file that was in the @others subtree (I 
> mean using an external editor), the "@others" line in the Leo outline did 
> not get unindented as one would expect.
>
> Tricky!
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:44:36 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:
>
>> Thank, but the unexpected behavior I tried to verify is when* removing 
>> the indentation in the external file itself externally*  (with a file 
>> editor of your choice) and then saving it, to have Leo refresh it from file 
>> by answering 'yes' to the dialog that appears when you do so.
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 3:59:07 PM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My expectation is that all lines in the @others subtree will be 
>>> additionally indented by the indentation of the "@others" string.  That's 
>>> how I have always used it.  I just tried it out in a little outline similar 
>>> to yours, and that's what I saw in the external file.  So if the @others 
>>> line is not indented, the @others subtree lines are not either.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:
>>>
 In a simple outline with an @clean node containing an indented @others 
 such as this: 

 [image: Screenshot from 2023-06-23 14-33-30.png]
 Let's say there's a couple lines of text in the 'inside node' body 
 pane. The external file will have those lines indented with as much space 
 as there are before the @others in the parent node.

 What is the expected behavior when I remove the indentation of the line 
 produced by the @others in the external file, and save it as such to be 
 picked-up by Leo and have it refresh that outline from file? will the 
 @others be unindented? or will the @others stay at its position, and the 
 inside node content be empty and with it's now unindented line appear 
 below 
 the @others?

 In any case, none of this happens. So i'm wondering what's going on? 
 (was it always this way? or is this a new intended/unintended behavior?)

 Félix

>>>

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Re: expected behavior for removing spaces before lines outputed by an indented '@others'

2023-06-23 Thread Thomas Passin
Oh, I see.  If it's an external file with sentinels it could be tricky 
because you'd have to unindent the correct block the right amount, 
sentinels and all.  I just succeeded  with an @file tree, but it would be 
easy to mess it up.  I converted the file to an @clean file and when I 
unindented the line in the external file that was in the @others subtree (I 
mean using an external editor), the "@others" line in the Leo outline did 
not get unindented as one would expect.

Tricky!

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:44:36 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:

> Thank, but the unexpected behavior I tried to verify is when* removing 
> the indentation in the external file itself externally*  (with a file 
> editor of your choice) and then saving it, to have Leo refresh it from file 
> by answering 'yes' to the dialog that appears when you do so.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 3:59:07 PM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My expectation is that all lines in the @others subtree will be 
>> additionally indented by the indentation of the "@others" string.  That's 
>> how I have always used it.  I just tried it out in a little outline similar 
>> to yours, and that's what I saw in the external file.  So if the @others 
>> line is not indented, the @others subtree lines are not either.
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:
>>
>>> In a simple outline with an @clean node containing an indented @others 
>>> such as this: 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot from 2023-06-23 14-33-30.png]
>>> Let's say there's a couple lines of text in the 'inside node' body pane. 
>>> The external file will have those lines indented with as much space as 
>>> there are before the @others in the parent node.
>>>
>>> What is the expected behavior when I remove the indentation of the line 
>>> produced by the @others in the external file, and save it as such to be 
>>> picked-up by Leo and have it refresh that outline from file? will the 
>>> @others be unindented? or will the @others stay at its position, and the 
>>> inside node content be empty and with it's now unindented line appear below 
>>> the @others?
>>>
>>> In any case, none of this happens. So i'm wondering what's going on? 
>>> (was it always this way? or is this a new intended/unintended behavior?)
>>>
>>> Félix
>>>
>>

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Re: expected behavior for removing spaces before lines outputed by an indented '@others'

2023-06-23 Thread Félix
Thank, but the unexpected behavior I tried to verify is when* removing the 
indentation in the external file itself externally*  (with a file editor of 
your choice) and then saving it, to have Leo refresh it from file by 
answering 'yes' to the dialog that appears when you do so.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 3:59:07 PM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

> My expectation is that all lines in the @others subtree will be 
> additionally indented by the indentation of the "@others" string.  That's 
> how I have always used it.  I just tried it out in a little outline similar 
> to yours, and that's what I saw in the external file.  So if the @others 
> line is not indented, the @others subtree lines are not either.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:
>
>> In a simple outline with an @clean node containing an indented @others 
>> such as this: 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot from 2023-06-23 14-33-30.png]
>> Let's say there's a couple lines of text in the 'inside node' body pane. 
>> The external file will have those lines indented with as much space as 
>> there are before the @others in the parent node.
>>
>> What is the expected behavior when I remove the indentation of the line 
>> produced by the @others in the external file, and save it as such to be 
>> picked-up by Leo and have it refresh that outline from file? will the 
>> @others be unindented? or will the @others stay at its position, and the 
>> inside node content be empty and with it's now unindented line appear below 
>> the @others?
>>
>> In any case, none of this happens. So i'm wondering what's going on? (was 
>> it always this way? or is this a new intended/unintended behavior?)
>>
>> Félix
>>
>

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Re: expected behavior for removing spaces before lines outputed by an indented '@others'

2023-06-23 Thread Thomas Passin
My expectation is that all lines in the @others subtree will be 
additionally indented by the indentation of the "@others" string.  That's 
how I have always used it.  I just tried it out in a little outline similar 
to yours, and that's what I saw in the external file.  So if the @others 
line is not indented, the @others subtree lines are not either.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:46 PM UTC-4 Félix wrote:

> In a simple outline with an @clean node containing an indented @others 
> such as this: 
>
> [image: Screenshot from 2023-06-23 14-33-30.png]
> Let's say there's a couple lines of text in the 'inside node' body pane. 
> The external file will have those lines indented with as much space as 
> there are before the @others in the parent node.
>
> What is the expected behavior when I remove the indentation of the line 
> produced by the @others in the external file, and save it as such to be 
> picked-up by Leo and have it refresh that outline from file? will the 
> @others be unindented? or will the @others stay at its position, and the 
> inside node content be empty and with it's now unindented line appear below 
> the @others?
>
> In any case, none of this happens. So i'm wondering what's going on? (was 
> it always this way? or is this a new intended/unintended behavior?)
>
> Félix
>

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expected behavior for removing spaces before lines outputed by an indented '@others'

2023-06-23 Thread Félix
In a simple outline with an @clean node containing an indented @others such 
as this: 

[image: Screenshot from 2023-06-23 14-33-30.png]
Let's say there's a couple lines of text in the 'inside node' body pane. 
The external file will have those lines indented with as much space as 
there are before the @others in the parent node.

What is the expected behavior when I remove the indentation of the line 
produced by the @others in the external file, and save it as such to be 
picked-up by Leo and have it refresh that outline from file? will the 
@others be unindented? or will the @others stay at its position, and the 
inside node content be empty and with it's now unindented line appear below 
the @others?

In any case, none of this happens. So i'm wondering what's going on? (was 
it always this way? or is this a new intended/unintended behavior?)

Félix

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Re: ChatGPT Helpful In Translating Tables

2023-06-23 Thread David Szent-Györgyi
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 11:22:20 AM UTC-4 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

Even copying selected text out of a pdf file can be unpleasant.  Often 
there will be no newlines, so words may run together when they were 
visually separated by a line break.


Yes, indeed. Part of my day job involves serving as acquisitions editor for 
content for my employer's Web site, and I must pull content from PDFs from 
all over the world, some of them produced by companies whose workers' 
native language is not in Roman letters. Fishing data out of PDFs is more 
of a toothache than a headache! 

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