Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: > Debian has "old" packages. Hi Fernando, I understand that old packages contain programs that have been updated etc. but the Linux community seems to make this an important issue to consider when choosing a distro. What is defined as "old" packages'? Can you please give me an example (perhaps point to a link) and why "old' packages would affect my distro choice? I'm just trying to understand. Thank you very much Wally On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: > Em 26-09-2012 17:54, Wally Lepore escreveu: > >> I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. >> Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do >> prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer >> tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the >> changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily >> and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would >> be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running >> both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. > > Some years ago, I bought a notebook for my sister. She wanted "Windows > Vista, not XP", but computers are not "easy", for her. It was used > during some time without connecting to internet. One day, it blocked, as > had not registered the OS. I solved the problem for her. > > Meanwhile, I was often reading about Linux wonders, meaning Ubuntu-8.04, > from a Brazilian informatics newsletter. > > The incident with my sister was the "drop of water". I installed Ubuntu > inside Windows, to discover if I was capable of working with it: > OpenOffice, Gnucash, etc, then I decided to partition the disk, for a > proper Ubuntu install. I used Netscape, then Firefox and Seamonkey, so > this part was not a problem > > I started installing packages as I did with Windows, only later > understood the repository idea. Made all mistakes, having often to > reinstall everything, Windows included. > > >From this day on, Linux became my main system, Windows only for some > things, until I stopped using it, other than maintaining for relatives > when they came here. > > One day, I wanted to learn how Linux worked, after having used some > other distros, and discovered LFS. > > I believe this describes how you could make the transition. > > Easier distros: > Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it > is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. > > Debian has "old" packages. > > More difficult: > Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), > Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more "cutting the edge" than > Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). > > First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be > the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. > > I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure > out which packages need to be installed, from "LFS vii. Host System > Requirements" > > I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. > > Proudly, my latest builf of "LFS7.2" was with "LFS7.1" host. > > -- > []s, > Fernando > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: > ...(continued) ...I believe this describes how you could make the transition. > > Easier distros: > Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it > is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. > > Debian has "old" packages. > > More difficult: > Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), > Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more "cutting the edge" than > Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). > > First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be > the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. > > I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure > out which packages need to be installed, from "LFS vii. Host System > Requirements" > > I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. > > Proudly, my latest builf of "LFS7.2" was with "LFS7.1" host(continued) Hi Fernando, I appreciate reading your introduction and experience with GNU/Linux. It was certainly very informative. Lots to consider. Thank you very much Wally On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: > Em 26-09-2012 17:54, Wally Lepore escreveu: > >> I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. >> Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do >> prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer >> tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the >> changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily >> and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would >> be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running >> both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. > > Some years ago, I bought a notebook for my sister. She wanted "Windows > Vista, not XP", but computers are not "easy", for her. It was used > during some time without connecting to internet. One day, it blocked, as > had not registered the OS. I solved the problem for her. > > Meanwhile, I was often reading about Linux wonders, meaning Ubuntu-8.04, > from a Brazilian informatics newsletter. > > The incident with my sister was the "drop of water". I installed Ubuntu > inside Windows, to discover if I was capable of working with it: > OpenOffice, Gnucash, etc, then I decided to partition the disk, for a > proper Ubuntu install. I used Netscape, then Firefox and Seamonkey, so > this part was not a problem > > I started installing packages as I did with Windows, only later > understood the repository idea. Made all mistakes, having often to > reinstall everything, Windows included. > > >From this day on, Linux became my main system, Windows only for some > things, until I stopped using it, other than maintaining for relatives > when they came here. > > One day, I wanted to learn how Linux worked, after having used some > other distros, and discovered LFS. > > I believe this describes how you could make the transition. > > Easier distros: > Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it > is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. > > Debian has "old" packages. > > More difficult: > Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), > Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more "cutting the edge" than > Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). > > First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be > the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. > > I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure > out which packages need to be installed, from "LFS vii. Host System > Requirements" > > I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. > > Proudly, my latest builf of "LFS7.2" was with "LFS7.1" host. > > -- > []s, > Fernando > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
>>On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 01:29:58PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> I still haven't loaded a distro yet and I am simply >> looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with >> building an LFS distro. > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > > LFS is arguably not a distro. ...(continued) > > Start with a distro, explore what they offer, > decide which packages you think you want to use. ...(continued) > > Come back when you are comfortable with how to install packages > and know what you want to do with the resulting LFS system - that > might mean that it is only a place to learn more about how the parts > fit together, and that you will stay with your host distro for doing > real work. ...(continued) Hi Ken, Thank you very much for your suggestions. A lot of great advice that I will comment on in subsequent posts. For now, only this much please. I understand about LFS and subjectively referring to it as a distro. I meant to say, "and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with the LFS build process". I believe Debian (stable) will be a good start for me as I begin to learn the following: 1) Easy "one CD" install (I hope). I already downloaded the small installation iso image that is about 191 MB total size. The Debian Download center describes this "small iso" footprint download as: "A "network install" or "netinst" CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet." -end- 2) Learn to use the command prompt (or cmd) in windows 2000 and the md5Sum.exe to verify the iso file download. Been at this for awhile utilizing two computers (win2k and windows 7) just to get familiar with the verification process. Still working on it... 3) Fetching and building "packages" 4) Eventually when beginning the process of building my distro using LFS, I will base my distro on Debian as I like their concept of separating "Feedom" software" from "Non-Freedom" software and their software licensing in general. Ok, I understand the whole free vs non-free software choice and the removal of binary blobs is perhaps a procedure that can be built into just about any host distro but I'm just not there yet and don't know enough. I can't speak professionally about it. I'm still studying the whole philosophy and concept behind the truly free distros (GNU project movement and Richard Stallman ) versus non-free distros. As I mentioned in an earlier post, my goal is to download a host distro that will enable me to learn the "behind the scenes working of Linux" and also (eventually) learn to build a distro using LFS. I was considering Slackeware as my host distro as this distro is defined as more of a "hands-on", "do it yourself" type distro. That's good and it is what I prefer but I keep reading that Slackware is primarily for advanced Linux users. I'm concerned it may be way too difficult for me to navigate. Still open to thoughts on this. I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. Thank you Wally -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM Wally wrote: >>I still haven't loaded a distro yet On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Then you are not ready for LFS yet. Load and use a distro, any distro, > for a while and then come back. > >-- Bruce Hi Bruce, Good point. Thank you -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Drew, On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, wrote: > I have sucessfully built LFS three times with Slackware as the host. > Each time it was with the version that was released when I started > building the most recent LFS. Right now I'm building LFS 7.1 > with Slackware 13.37 as the host. Thank you for the advice and suggestions. At this point, its a toss-up between Debian and Slackware. The more I read the more I get overwhelmed. My feeling is that Slackware is a "low level" distro (more hands-on and closest to the actual Unix environment). I'm concerned that I'll be left in the dust as this distro seems to be geared towards advanced Linux users. I've been reading and studying much and definitely look for as much support as possible with the chosen distro. I've been involved with computers for a long long time. I just started studying Linux about two months ago. I still haven't loaded a distro yet and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with building an LFS distro. I like the fact that Debian has an iso image that is about 140 MB once burned to a CD. Seems like a simple install considering most distro's have about a 700MB install size if not multiple CD's . I simply prefer to learn Linux from the ground up, as in the correct way without the help of fancy admin tools. I prefer to learn how to load, compile and build my own packages and NOT have a particular distro's admin tools automatically accomplish this for me. I'd like to know what's happening behind the admin tools actions. I think by now you have an understanding of what my approach is to the learning process with Linux. However I'm concerned that the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true" may come to haunt me. In other words, I'm concerned that Slackware may present me with what I'm looking for but may be too advanced for me to take the first step. Or perhaps I am wrong. Thoughts anyone? Thank you kindly Wally On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, wrote: >>>On 09/24/12, Wally Lepore wrote: >>> >>>Hi William, >>> >>>Great. Thank you. Reading the link now. >>> >>>Ok, I've narrowed it down to two choices as a host distro for LFS. >>> >>>Debian or Slackware? >>> >>>Don't forget, I'm new and will have many questions as I study the book >>>and all sources :-) >>> >>>Thanks so much >>>Wally > > Hi Wally, > > I have sucessfully built LFS three times with Slackware as the host. Each > time it was with the version that was released when I started building the > most recent LFS. Right now I'm building LFS 7.1 with Slackware 13.37 as the > host. > > There are no packages other than the base Slackware that need to be loaded to > build LFS. > > Slackware 14 will be released soon, but I'm sure that 13.37 will work just > fine. > > Regards, > > -Drew > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Garrett Gaston wrote: >> I recently completed the LFS project and I successfully used Debian >> as my host system. Don't remember where but I did find a Debian, one >> CD >> or maybe it was a DVD I don't remember, install disk. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington wrote: > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Hi Garrett, Why did you choose Debian as your host distro? William sent me the link to the Debian one CD install (above). Regards Wally http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Garrett Gaston wrote: > I recently completed the LFS project and I successfully used Debian as my > host system. Don't remember where but I did find a Debian, one CD or maybe > it was a DVD I don't remember, install disk. > > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington wrote: > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ > > Then: apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev && dpkg- > reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) > > Then install telnet or openssh daemon to connect to it from a host > where you view the book and can copy and paste book commands. Hi William, Great. Thank you. Reading the link now. Ok, I've narrowed it down to two choices as a host distro for LFS. Debian or Slackware? Don't forget, I'm new and will have many questions as I study the book and all sources :-) Thanks so much Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington wrote: > > On Sep 24, 2012, at 20:19 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> William, I can't find that Debian iso link you recommend. I was at >> their site and did not see the link for "netinst i386". Can you please >> locate? > > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ > > Then: apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev && dpkg- > reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) > > Then install telnet or openssh daemon to connect to it from a host > where you view the book and can copy and paste book commands. > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Baho Utot wrote: Hi Baho, > I can wait to finish the base build of LFS-7.2 and get on to BLFS. This > distros of late are just terrible! By learning to build my own distro, I will soon discover (ok, "someday" discover) "what makes a great distro" (IMHO). :-) Regards Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 09/24/2012 09:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: >>> Hi Members, >>> >>> I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and >>> have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS >>> (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to >>> become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on >>> choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. >>> >> Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting >> to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) >> or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. >> >> In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been >> *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I >> haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its >> derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of >> gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's >> reply. > > I used fedora 17 to build LFS-6.8 to LFS-7.2, both i686 and x86_64. > I just use the kde spin variant. If I remember correctly all you need > to do is to add gcc. > > I can wait to finish the base build of LFS-7.2 and get on to BLFS. This > distros of late are just terrible! > > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting > to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) > or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. > Conversely, debian and its > derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of > gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's > reply. > But in general, all you should need to do is to check the host > system requirements in the preface. The best host system is, of > course, the current version of LFS - but for most people that isn't > a practical option ;) Hi Ken, Thank you for the suggestions. I want the challenge to create a distro. It will give me a better idea of what's behind an OS. Sure I can just install Linux Mint, Ubuntu or whatever and call it a day. But I'm approaching it from a programmers perspective. Plus I would like to help a fellow distro builder with his new version and the way to get on their dev team is to understand what's behind a distro and what makes it tick. As you know, it's all self learning with online support and mailing lists such as this. What better way to learn than to build a LFS distro. That's all. If it takes me a year to complete (or more) so be it. :) Thanks for that Debian update. That was interesting. Yes I did read Williams reply. Thank you. Yes I did read the host requirements in the preface section but remember, I'm new to all this. I have no clue how to check a distro to see if it meets the requirements. I'm going to start from scratch. One step at a time. Learn all the lingo and build exercises and read the Essential Pre-Reading for Life with LFS (again and again). Thanks again Ken Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: >> Hi Members, >> >> I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and >> have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS >> (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to >> become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on >> choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. >> > Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting > to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) > or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. > > In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been > *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I > haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its > derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of > gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's > reply. > > But in general, all you should need to do is to check the host > system requirements in the preface. The best host system is, of > course, the current version of LFS - but for most people that isn't > a practical option ;) > > ĸen > -- > das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM, William Harrington wrote: > This is almost asking like what kind of beer someone likes or what > kind of food they like > To build LFS, and with your system specs, any will do. I had a dual > p3 1.4 tualatin system which built like a champ and pretty darn fast. > If you choose debian, and if you want a minimal system to build LFS > from, use the netinst iso for i386. Then you can install what you > need to build LFS from there such as: > I would also suggest slackware as a good host to build from. Install > the dev set and you will be fine. > Just meet the host system requirements as stated here: http:// > www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html > apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev && dpkg- > reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) > Other than that I use slackware. > If you want a live system, the udpated livecd I have created will do > just fine.. > http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ Hi William, Yes I understand and am aware that the distro choice is highly subjective. I did watch in the mentioned video link that during the LFS build process, LFS will turn up errors if the errors "already exist" in the host distro. I forget the exact wording but I'm sure you know what I am referring to. In other words, it was suggested to use a distro that is error free (if one exists). That is why the author (in the mentioned video) recommends the LFS LiveCD in that something about it being error free. Very nice on your PIII tualatin build. Is it still running? William, I can't find that Debian iso link you recommend. I was at their site and did not see the link for "netinst i386". Can you please locate? I'm concerned that Slackware may be too tech heavy for me as that mentioned video link suggested. But if you "highly" recommend then I will install it. After all, the author did mention that, "to really learn Linux use Slackware". Thanks again for your LFS LiveCD updated link. I will consider. At this point it really boils down to either installing a host distro to my hard drive or using the LiveCD. However, if you are already using Slackware, then it may be a good start for me as I will have support in the event I need help (which will almost certainly be). Thank you Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM, William Harrington wrote: > > On Sep 24, 2012, at 19:14 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> Hi Members, >> >> At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend >> as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize >> Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's >> seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and >> separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading >> Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical >> experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple >> CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit >> on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso >> image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I >> have not been able to locate the link. >> >> Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro >> that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I >> would very much appreciate it? > > Hi Wally, > > This is almost asking like what kind of beer someone likes or what > kind of food they like > > To build LFS, and with your system specs, any will do. I had a dual > p3 1.4 tualatin system which built like a champ and pretty darn fast. > > If you choose debian, and if you want a minimal system to build LFS > from, use the netinst iso for i386. Then you can install what you > need to build LFS from there such as: > > I would also suggest slackware as a good host to build from. Install > the dev set and you will be fine. > Just meet the host system requirements as stated here: http:// > www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html > > apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev && dpkg- > reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) > > Other than that I use slackware. > > If you want a live system, the udpated livecd I have created will do > just fine.. > > http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington > > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Members > At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend > as being compatible with LFS "stable" book version 7.0. Amended please. That should read, "At this point, I'd rather install a host dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with the LFS "stable" book version 7.2 (the newest stable version)". source: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/ Thank you Wally Lepore On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: > Hi Members, > > I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and > have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS > (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to > become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on > choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. > > I have accomplished quite a bit of reading over the past few weeks, > searched the LFS FAQ, scanned 3 months back on the lfs-support mailing > list, have utilized google search and would like to ask for additional > support before embarking on this first crucial step please. After all > the research, I am still confused as to which host distro to utilize. > > I was going to utilize the LFS LiveCD in a virtual box but not sure if > my legacy system will support a virtual machine (please see system > specs below).I have more than enough hard drive space and would like > to install the host distro to my hard drive (my system has two hard > drives). > > Last month I attempted to install Ubuntu numerous times but the > install failed half way through with an error message. After much > research I decided to look for another distro and was amazed at the > hundreds of choices. This led to a complete study of Linux and how one > distro differs from another. I decided to pull-back and install > nothing and simply read, study and learn. I have coded before but > nothing on a profesional lebel. Currently studying "C" language using > Code::Blocks. Also learned about learned about checksum and > interesting hints in regards to downloading and burning iso files. > > At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend > as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize > Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's > seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and > separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading > Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical > experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple > CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit > on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso > image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I > have not been able to locate the link. > > Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro > that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I > would very much appreciate it? > > I am very familiar with distrowatch and many other support links but > considering the time and effort to install a distro I simply wanted to > be sure that the distro that I finally settle with is in fact a good > base. > > My system specs are: > > Motherboard: > iWill DVD266R Motherboard > featuring "Dual" Symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) > x86 Pentium III Coppermine processors (1 GHz each). > source: > http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html > > RAM: > 1 gig DDR memory (4 gig max). > Supported DDR types > PC2100/PC1600 DDR SDRAM > PC133/PC100 SDRAM > > Peripheral Devices: > > Foppy Drive > Hard Drives > Maxtor IDE 40 gig Hard Drive (currently Running Windows 2000) Jumper > on drive set to Master > Western Digital E-IDE 80 gig Drive (currently empty).Jumper on drive > set to Slave. > Iomage 1 terabyte (external) > > CD-R/RW > DVD-R/RW > > USB: 2 ports USB 1.0 > > Based upon the above specs., it is my understanding that any distro > that is based upon the i386, i486, i586 and i686 architecture will be > compatible with my legacy system. > > Thank you very much > Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. I have accomplished quite a bit of reading over the past few weeks, searched the LFS FAQ, scanned 3 months back on the lfs-support mailing list, have utilized google search and would like to ask for additional support before embarking on this first crucial step please. After all the research, I am still confused as to which host distro to utilize. I was going to utilize the LFS LiveCD in a virtual box but not sure if my legacy system will support a virtual machine (please see system specs below).I have more than enough hard drive space and would like to install the host distro to my hard drive (my system has two hard drives). Last month I attempted to install Ubuntu numerous times but the install failed half way through with an error message. After much research I decided to look for another distro and was amazed at the hundreds of choices. This led to a complete study of Linux and how one distro differs from another. I decided to pull-back and install nothing and simply read, study and learn. I have coded before but nothing on a profesional lebel. Currently studying "C" language using Code::Blocks. Also learned about learned about checksum and interesting hints in regards to downloading and burning iso files. At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I have not been able to locate the link. Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I would very much appreciate it? I am very familiar with distrowatch and many other support links but considering the time and effort to install a distro I simply wanted to be sure that the distro that I finally settle with is in fact a good base. My system specs are: Motherboard: iWill DVD266R Motherboard featuring "Dual" Symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) x86 Pentium III Coppermine processors (1 GHz each). source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html RAM: 1 gig DDR memory (4 gig max). Supported DDR types PC2100/PC1600 DDR SDRAM PC133/PC100 SDRAM Peripheral Devices: Foppy Drive Hard Drives Maxtor IDE 40 gig Hard Drive (currently Running Windows 2000) Jumper on drive set to Master Western Digital E-IDE 80 gig Drive (currently empty).Jumper on drive set to Slave. Iomage 1 terabyte (external) CD-R/RW DVD-R/RW USB: 2 ports USB 1.0 Based upon the above specs., it is my understanding that any distro that is based upon the i386, i486, i586 and i686 architecture will be compatible with my legacy system. Thank you very much Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Support or Video links to follow along with LFS book
Hi William, > Something I was curious about was something even simpler > and users don't even need web access or a gui with their host OS. > The idea is to use script or script replay! (continued) Thanks for that interesting reply and suggestion. I am not quite up to the level of script replay as it is rather beyond my capabilities at this point. I did read up on script replay at the link below. http://www.linuxinsight.com/replaying-terminal-sessions-with-scriptreplay.html BTW, I did read the LFS FAQ and turned off HTML. I am not sure what you are receiving on your end but HTML is turned off in this google gmail (at least in this particular email instance). Please let me know (anyone) if the HTML link (above) is delivered in good form as requested by the LFS FAQ titled, "What about netiquette?". I do need to re-read the above link again before script replay begins to sink in. I just wanted to let you know that I do read your emails and absolutely appreciate all suggestions. Thank you Wally On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM, William Harrington wrote: > > On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> I would kindly like to know if there exists a support group or >> youtube video series that helps a novice "walk thrrough" the entire >> process of building a basic distro while simultaneously following >> every step of the way utilizing the LFS book. > > > Something I was curious about was something even simpler and users > don't even need web access or a gui with their host OS. > > The idea is to use script or script replay! > > script -t 2>lfs.timing lfs.session > > Do all your introduction and setup and all and go through the first > package maybe even up to GCC to show how to do those commands. > > ctrl-d and all that is saved > > Build some more and then when you start to work setting up chroot > append to the script > > script -t 2>lfs.timing -a lfs.session > > go through that and building some things... you can skip whatever is > needed (because all output will be scripted as well... so building > while not on a fast machine can make the script quite boring). > > Then when getting to another big section like configuring the system > and fstab and networking.. append to the script again > > Then users can download the files and replay the script > > scriptreplay lfs.timing lfs.session > > tada! > > > By the way, it'll script everything, even your typos! Hah! > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Support or Video links to follow along with LFS book
Hi William, Thanks for that interesting reply and suggestion. I am not quite up to the level of script replay as it is rather beyond my capabilities at this point. I did read up on script replay at the link below. http://www.linuxinsight.com/replaying-terminal-sessions-with-scriptreplay.html BTW, I did read the LFS FAQ and turned off HTML. I am not sure what you are receiving on your end but HTML is turned off in this google gmail (at least in this particular email instance). Please let me know (anyone) if the HTML link (above) is delivered in good form as requested by the LFS FAQ titled, "What about netiquette?". I do need to re-read the above link again before script replay begins to sink in. I just wanted to let you know that I do read your emails and absolutely appreciate all suggestions. Thank you Wally On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM, William Harrington wrote: > > On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> I would kindly like to know if there exists a support group or >> youtube video series that helps a novice "walk thrrough" the entire >> process of building a basic distro while simultaneously following >> every step of the way utilizing the LFS book. > > > Something I was curious about was something even simpler and users > don't even need web access or a gui with their host OS. > > The idea is to use script or script replay! > > script -t 2>lfs.timing lfs.session > > Do all your introduction and setup and all and go through the first > package maybe even up to GCC to show how to do those commands. > > ctrl-d and all that is saved > > Build some more and then when you start to work setting up chroot > append to the script > > script -t 2>lfs.timing -a lfs.session > > go through that and building some things... you can skip whatever is > needed (because all output will be scripted as well... so building > while not on a fast machine can make the script quite boring). > > Then when getting to another big section like configuring the system > and fstab and networking.. append to the script again > > Then users can download the files and replay the script > > scriptreplay lfs.timing lfs.session > > tada! > > > By the way, it'll script everything, even your typos! Hah! > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Video Tutorials
Hi Bruce, >> 2) Also read that LFS may not recognize IDE disk drives during a compile. > >My understanding is that LFS prefers SCSI drives but if one digs he can >> configure LFS to recognize SCSI drives? >Where did you read that? It's wrong. LFS will use anything the host uses. I stand corrected. Upon watching the video again, I believe he was talking about setting up LFS in a Virtual Box (VB) environment using the LFS LiveCd and adjusting the settings in VB to point to IDE drive's at boot-up (if using one). He went on to say that the reason is that the modern kernels assume your using the latest hardware and VB defaults to pointing to SCSI drives at boot-up. The IDE versus SCSI "potential" conflict is located at this video link (below). Please go to runtime 22:30 (where he discusses in detail). Then he mentions it again briefly at runtime 38:13 www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQI9jBazhaY Thank you for the correction. Thank you Wally On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Wally Lepore wrote: > > Hi Jasmine, > > > > I did read your reply and appreciate the kind suggestions. I am currently > > reading the "Essential pre-reading for life with LFS", reading the LFS > book > > along with hunting the net for additional youtube videos and other > support > > avenues dedicated to helping newbies with whatever it takes to get afoot > > hold on the build process. > > > > I have partitioned drives in the past and have experience with computer > > hardware. > > > > Some really beginner questions that I'm dealing with (so you get an idea > of > > what is in the mind of a newbie) are: > > > > 1) Is it better to use a host distribution (to begin the build process) > > that is Debian, Arch, Slackware or Fedora based verses a fork such as > > Ubuntu, Linux Mint or any of the other hundreds out there? I was reading > > and watching a video that suggested that Slackware Linux and Arch Linux > are > > pretty much plain vanilla distros and good for a host build. > > Any of the above will work as long as the host system requirements are met. > > > 2) Also read that LFS may not recognize IDE disk drives during a compile. > > My understanding is that LFS prefers SCSI drives but if one digs he can > > configure LFS to recognize SCSI drives? > > Where did you read that? It's wrong. LFS will use anything the host uses. > > > I would be looking for a host that works best with the LFS book as my > > number one goal is to simply learn how to build a distro. > > The most common I see here is Ubuntu, but 'best' really isn't an issue. > Whatever you are comfortable with is best. > >-- Bruce > > > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Top Posting - Corrected
Bottom posting now in effect on all reply posts. Thank you -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Video Tutorials
Hi Jasmine, I did read your reply and appreciate the kind suggestions. I am currently reading the "Essential pre-reading for life with LFS", reading the LFS book along with hunting the net for additional youtube videos and other support avenues dedicated to helping newbies with whatever it takes to get afoot hold on the build process. I have partitioned drives in the past and have experience with computer hardware. Some really beginner questions that I'm dealing with (so you get an idea of what is in the mind of a newbie) are: 1) Is it better to use a host distribution (to begin the build process) that is Debian, Arch, Slackware or Fedora based verses a fork such as Ubuntu, Linux Mint or any of the other hundreds out there? I was reading and watching a video that suggested that Slackware Linux and Arch Linux are pretty much plain vanilla distros and good for a host build. 2) Also read that LFS may not recognize IDE disk drives during a compile. My understanding is that LFS prefers SCSI drives but if one digs he can configure LFS to recognize SCSI drives? I would be looking for a host that works best with the LFS book as my number one goal is to simply learn how to build a distro. Thank you Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] The learning process
Hi Jasmine, I would also like to join the ranks as a newbie. Looking to join the LFS boot-camp (if one exists). I posted a new-topic earlier today titled, "Support or Video links to follow along with LFS book". It presents a quick background on myself and a question similar to the question below. Any suggested newbie-groups to join or a youtube video series that helps the newbie walk-thru and follow along with the LFS book while explaining in less-techie language would be greatly appreciated. Looking to grow into the techie environment. Thank you kindly Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS vs. LFS LiveCD
Hi William, Thank you very much for the updated LiveCD. I went to the link you provided and read that the updated version 6.3 is an experimental LiveCD which may need tweaking, especially with the kernel options. I am starting fresh with a distro build and would kindly like to know if this version is something you would recommend to a first time distro builder? I do not know if "tweaking" is something I can accomplish at this stage if and when a problem arises. Perhaps it may not be a problem at all. I did read the "updated list" that included fixes and additions and would certainly like to utilize this updated liveCD version. Kindly please advise. Thank you for your time Wally Lepore wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: > > > Can you please tell me if the LFS LiveCD is still a valid tool to > > utilize in learning the "how to" of building a linux distro. I read > > that the LFS LiveCD is no longer supported and the LiveCD is not > > available for version 7.0 and later. > > I recently updated the 6.3 lfs livecd unofficially. > > http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ > > A few users have already used it well, and I use it for current builds. > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS vs. LFS LiveCD
Ok Spiky, Thank you so much for the advice and suggestions. I will chime back in when I have another related question in regards to this thread. ..Thank you On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, spiky wrote: > On 20/09/12 18:55, Wally Lepore wrote: > > Hi Members, > > I do hope this is the correct mailing list. My question pertains to LFS > and the LFS LiveCD but the mailing list for the LiveCD no longer appears > active. Thank you for taking my question please. > > I've been studying Linux for awhile now and would like to utilize the LFS > system to build a Linux distro and also to learn the concepts of structure > and construction that will also enable me to help/join a development team > on a particular existing distro. > > Can you please tell me if the LFS LiveCD is still a valid tool to utilize > in learning the "how to" of building a linux distro. I read that the LFS > LiveCD is no longer supported and the LiveCD is not available for version > 7.0 and later. > > In other words, can I still build an LFS distro that is fully functional > in today's environment using the last supported version of the LFS LiveCD? > > Or... > > Is it better to go with the latest version and install the LFS system to a > hard drive that has a host distro installed? I did read the benefits of > using the LiveCd versus installing to a host distro on the LFS FAQ. > > Any suggestions would surely help as I take my first step. > > Thank you Kindly > Wally Lepore New Jersey > > > Yes that is correct about the live cd it is out of date now. You would be > better using a distro installed as host, any distro will work as long as it > is made compliant > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/7.2/prologue/hostreqs.html > > I have also used a live cd from a production distro which I made compliant. > > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > > -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] LFS vs. LFS LiveCD
Hi Members, I do hope this is the correct mailing list. My question pertains to LFS and the LFS LiveCD but the mailing list for the LiveCD no longer appears active. Thank you for taking my question please. I've been studying Linux for awhile now and would like to utilize the LFS system to build a Linux distro and also to learn the concepts of structure and construction that will also enable me to help/join a development team on a particular existing distro. Can you please tell me if the LFS LiveCD is still a valid tool to utilize in learning the "how to" of building a linux distro. I read that the LFS LiveCD is no longer supported and the LiveCD is not available for version 7.0 and later. In other words, can I still build an LFS distro that is fully functional in today's environment using the last supported version of the LFS LiveCD? Or... Is it better to go with the latest version and install the LFS system to a hard drive that has a host distro installed? I did read the benefits of using the LiveCd versus installing to a host distro on the LFS FAQ. Any suggestions would surely help as I take my first step. Thank you Kindly Wally Lepore New Jersey -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
