Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
Em 26-09-2012 17:54, Wally Lepore escreveu: I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. Some years ago, I bought a notebook for my sister. She wanted Windows Vista, not XP, but computers are not easy, for her. It was used during some time without connecting to internet. One day, it blocked, as had not registered the OS. I solved the problem for her. Meanwhile, I was often reading about Linux wonders, meaning Ubuntu-8.04, from a Brazilian informatics newsletter. The incident with my sister was the drop of water. I installed Ubuntu inside Windows, to discover if I was capable of working with it: OpenOffice, Gnucash, etc, then I decided to partition the disk, for a proper Ubuntu install. I used Netscape, then Firefox and Seamonkey, so this part was not a problem I started installing packages as I did with Windows, only later understood the repository idea. Made all mistakes, having often to reinstall everything, Windows included. From this day on, Linux became my main system, Windows only for some things, until I stopped using it, other than maintaining for relatives when they came here. One day, I wanted to learn how Linux worked, after having used some other distros, and discovered LFS. I believe this describes how you could make the transition. Easier distros: Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. Debian has old packages. More difficult: Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more cutting the edge than Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure out which packages need to be installed, from LFS vii. Host System Requirements I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. Proudly, my latest builf of LFS7.2 was with LFS7.1 host. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: ...(continued) ...I believe this describes how you could make the transition. Easier distros: Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. Debian has old packages. More difficult: Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more cutting the edge than Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure out which packages need to be installed, from LFS vii. Host System Requirements I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. Proudly, my latest builf of LFS7.2 was with LFS7.1 host(continued) Hi Fernando, I appreciate reading your introduction and experience with GNU/Linux. It was certainly very informative. Lots to consider. Thank you very much Wally On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira fam...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Em 26-09-2012 17:54, Wally Lepore escreveu: I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. Some years ago, I bought a notebook for my sister. She wanted Windows Vista, not XP, but computers are not easy, for her. It was used during some time without connecting to internet. One day, it blocked, as had not registered the OS. I solved the problem for her. Meanwhile, I was often reading about Linux wonders, meaning Ubuntu-8.04, from a Brazilian informatics newsletter. The incident with my sister was the drop of water. I installed Ubuntu inside Windows, to discover if I was capable of working with it: OpenOffice, Gnucash, etc, then I decided to partition the disk, for a proper Ubuntu install. I used Netscape, then Firefox and Seamonkey, so this part was not a problem I started installing packages as I did with Windows, only later understood the repository idea. Made all mistakes, having often to reinstall everything, Windows included. From this day on, Linux became my main system, Windows only for some things, until I stopped using it, other than maintaining for relatives when they came here. One day, I wanted to learn how Linux worked, after having used some other distros, and discovered LFS. I believe this describes how you could make the transition. Easier distros: Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. Debian has old packages. More difficult: Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more cutting the edge than Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure out which packages need to be installed, from LFS vii. Host System Requirements I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. Proudly, my latest builf of LFS7.2 was with LFS7.1 host. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: Debian has old packages. Hi Fernando, I understand that old packages contain programs that have been updated etc. but the Linux community seems to make this an important issue to consider when choosing a distro. What is defined as old packages'? Can you please give me an example (perhaps point to a link) and why old' packages would affect my distro choice? I'm just trying to understand. Thank you very much Wally On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Fernando de Oliveira fam...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Em 26-09-2012 17:54, Wally Lepore escreveu: I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. Some years ago, I bought a notebook for my sister. She wanted Windows Vista, not XP, but computers are not easy, for her. It was used during some time without connecting to internet. One day, it blocked, as had not registered the OS. I solved the problem for her. Meanwhile, I was often reading about Linux wonders, meaning Ubuntu-8.04, from a Brazilian informatics newsletter. The incident with my sister was the drop of water. I installed Ubuntu inside Windows, to discover if I was capable of working with it: OpenOffice, Gnucash, etc, then I decided to partition the disk, for a proper Ubuntu install. I used Netscape, then Firefox and Seamonkey, so this part was not a problem I started installing packages as I did with Windows, only later understood the repository idea. Made all mistakes, having often to reinstall everything, Windows included. From this day on, Linux became my main system, Windows only for some things, until I stopped using it, other than maintaining for relatives when they came here. One day, I wanted to learn how Linux worked, after having used some other distros, and discovered LFS. I believe this describes how you could make the transition. Easier distros: Ubuntu, Lubuntu (more similar to Windows), Mint, Mageia or OpenSUSE (it is no more OpenSuSE) would be better starting points. Debian has old packages. More difficult: Fedora (due to the security issues with SELinux crashing some programs), Gentoo, Sabayon, Arch, which is even more cutting the edge than Fedora, and which I like very much, (I have not used Slackware). First, I used it, only later, started understanding it. This seems to be the better attitude, if one starts from Windows. I believe any above can be used as host to build LFS, only you have to figure out which packages need to be installed, from LFS vii. Host System Requirements I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu, SUSE and Mint, to build LFS. Proudly, my latest builf of LFS7.2 was with LFS7.1 host. -- []s, Fernando -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM Wally wrote: I still haven't loaded a distro yet On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: Then you are not ready for LFS yet. Load and use a distro, any distro, for a while and then come back. -- Bruce Hi Bruce, Good point. Thank you -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 01:29:58PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: I still haven't loaded a distro yet and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with building an LFS distro. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: LFS is arguably not a distro. ...(continued) Start with a distro, explore what they offer, decide which packages you think you want to use. ...(continued) Come back when you are comfortable with how to install packages and know what you want to do with the resulting LFS system - that might mean that it is only a place to learn more about how the parts fit together, and that you will stay with your host distro for doing real work. ...(continued) Hi Ken, Thank you very much for your suggestions. A lot of great advice that I will comment on in subsequent posts. For now, only this much please. I understand about LFS and subjectively referring to it as a distro. I meant to say, and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with the LFS build process. I believe Debian (stable) will be a good start for me as I begin to learn the following: 1) Easy one CD install (I hope). I already downloaded the small installation iso image that is about 191 MB total size. The Debian Download center describes this small iso footprint download as: A network install or netinst CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet. -end- 2) Learn to use the command prompt (or cmd) in windows 2000 and the md5Sum.exe to verify the iso file download. Been at this for awhile utilizing two computers (win2k and windows 7) just to get familiar with the verification process. Still working on it... 3) Fetching and building packages 4) Eventually when beginning the process of building my distro using LFS, I will base my distro on Debian as I like their concept of separating Feedom software from Non-Freedom software and their software licensing in general. Ok, I understand the whole free vs non-free software choice and the removal of binary blobs is perhaps a procedure that can be built into just about any host distro but I'm just not there yet and don't know enough. I can't speak professionally about it. I'm still studying the whole philosophy and concept behind the truly free distros (GNU project movement and Richard Stallman ) versus non-free distros. As I mentioned in an earlier post, my goal is to download a host distro that will enable me to learn the behind the scenes working of Linux and also (eventually) learn to build a distro using LFS. I was considering Slackeware as my host distro as this distro is defined as more of a hands-on, do it yourself type distro. That's good and it is what I prefer but I keep reading that Slackware is primarily for advanced Linux users. I'm concerned it may be way too difficult for me to navigate. Still open to thoughts on this. I will be running windows and utilizing a host distro simultaneously. Thus I am using windows for my everyday computer tasks. Yes, I do prefer to utilize a host distro to also perform my everyday computer tasks but one step at a time for me as I am slowly making the changeover. I have many applications in windows that I utilize daily and attempting to convert them all over to a 100% Linux platform would be a monumental task. I can't afford that much downtime thus running both platforms simultaneously eases the conversion process. Thank you Wally -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On 09/24/12, Wally Leporewallylep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi William, Great. Thank you. Reading the link now. Ok, I've narrowed it down to two choices as a host distro for LFS. Debian or Slackware? Don't forget, I'm new and will have many questions as I study the book and all sources :-) Thanks so much Wally Hi Wally, I have sucessfully built LFS three times with Slackware as the host. Each time it was with the version that was released when I started building the most recent LFS. Right now I'm building LFS 7.1 with Slackware 13.37 as the host. There are no packages other than the base Slackware that need to be loaded to build LFS. Slackware 14 will be released soon, but I'm sure that 13.37 will work just fine. Regards, -Drew -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Drew, On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, jxa...@verizon.net wrote: I have sucessfully built LFS three times with Slackware as the host. Each time it was with the version that was released when I started building the most recent LFS. Right now I'm building LFS 7.1 with Slackware 13.37 as the host. Thank you for the advice and suggestions. At this point, its a toss-up between Debian and Slackware. The more I read the more I get overwhelmed. My feeling is that Slackware is a low level distro (more hands-on and closest to the actual Unix environment). I'm concerned that I'll be left in the dust as this distro seems to be geared towards advanced Linux users. I've been reading and studying much and definitely look for as much support as possible with the chosen distro. I've been involved with computers for a long long time. I just started studying Linux about two months ago. I still haven't loaded a distro yet and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with building an LFS distro. I like the fact that Debian has an iso image that is about 140 MB once burned to a CD. Seems like a simple install considering most distro's have about a 700MB install size if not multiple CD's . I simply prefer to learn Linux from the ground up, as in the correct way without the help of fancy admin tools. I prefer to learn how to load, compile and build my own packages and NOT have a particular distro's admin tools automatically accomplish this for me. I'd like to know what's happening behind the admin tools actions. I think by now you have an understanding of what my approach is to the learning process with Linux. However I'm concerned that the old saying, Be careful what you wish for, it might come true may come to haunt me. In other words, I'm concerned that Slackware may present me with what I'm looking for but may be too advanced for me to take the first step. Or perhaps I am wrong. Thoughts anyone? Thank you kindly Wally On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, jxa...@verizon.net wrote: On 09/24/12, Wally Leporewallylep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi William, Great. Thank you. Reading the link now. Ok, I've narrowed it down to two choices as a host distro for LFS. Debian or Slackware? Don't forget, I'm new and will have many questions as I study the book and all sources :-) Thanks so much Wally Hi Wally, I have sucessfully built LFS three times with Slackware as the host. Each time it was with the version that was released when I started building the most recent LFS. Right now I'm building LFS 7.1 with Slackware 13.37 as the host. There are no packages other than the base Slackware that need to be loaded to build LFS. Slackware 14 will be released soon, but I'm sure that 13.37 will work just fine. Regards, -Drew -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 01:29:58PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: I've been reading and studying much and definitely look for as much support as possible with the chosen distro. I've been involved with computers for a long long time. I just started studying Linux about two months ago. I still haven't loaded a distro yet and I am simply looking for a host distro that will give me the least conflict with building an LFS distro. LFS is arguably not a distro. I don't want to get into splitting hairs, the thing is that a completed LFS system is only really ready for you to start building the packages you want to use. If you haven't used a current linux system, identifying a first set of useful packages (I'm assuming this is going to be some sort of desktop) will be unnecessarily hard. Start with a distro, explore what they offer, decide which packages you think you want to use. As long as you leave space (i.e. partitions) available for future systems [ you might even try more than one distro, although persuading them that they don't own /boot can be *fun* ], and arguably put both /boot and /home on partitions of their own, then you can keep using the host distro while you build LFS, and if you eventually make a permanent move to using LFS then you can remove the other distro to make space for your *next* LFS system. On big modern disks, there is plenty of space to install several systems - keep all the *data* in /home. After you have become comfortable with using a distro, perhaps try building a newer kernel to suit your machine [ ideally, without an initrd, so that you have a .config that you can use in LFS ] and take a look at BLFS - try to install some of the packages in it (you will need to remember that any dependency in LFS itself, such as gawk, is never listed as a dependency in BLFS) : if you install packages in /usr/local, or /opt, then they should be out of the way of the distro's package management tools. I simply prefer to learn Linux from the ground up, as in the correct way without the help of fancy admin tools. I prefer to learn how to load, compile and build my own packages and NOT have a particular distro's admin tools automatically accomplish this for me. I'd like to know what's happening behind the admin tools actions. Ah, terminology. When you say 'load' I think of what happens when I execute one of the programs from a package and the system loads it. LFS won't teach you much about the details of that. 'Compile' and 'build' are mostly synonyms for us : Usually, packages are CMMI - configure, make, make install. A few use cmake [ something I try to avoid ] - for linux users, it's just an alternative to 'configure' (you still have to run 'make' afterwards), but with its own arcane variables. On other OS's cmake does things differently. Come back when you are comfortable with how to install packages and know what you want to do with the resulting LFS system - that might mean that it is only a place to learn more about how the parts fit together, and that you will stay with your host distro for doing real work. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. I have accomplished quite a bit of reading over the past few weeks, searched the LFS FAQ, scanned 3 months back on the lfs-support mailing list, have utilized google search and would like to ask for additional support before embarking on this first crucial step please. After all the research, I am still confused as to which host distro to utilize. I was going to utilize the LFS LiveCD in a virtual box but not sure if my legacy system will support a virtual machine (please see system specs below).I have more than enough hard drive space and would like to install the host distro to my hard drive (my system has two hard drives). Last month I attempted to install Ubuntu numerous times but the install failed half way through with an error message. After much research I decided to look for another distro and was amazed at the hundreds of choices. This led to a complete study of Linux and how one distro differs from another. I decided to pull-back and install nothing and simply read, study and learn. I have coded before but nothing on a profesional lebel. Currently studying C language using Code::Blocks. Also learned about learned about checksum and interesting hints in regards to downloading and burning iso files. At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I have not been able to locate the link. Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I would very much appreciate it? I am very familiar with distrowatch and many other support links but considering the time and effort to install a distro I simply wanted to be sure that the distro that I finally settle with is in fact a good base. My system specs are: Motherboard: iWill DVD266R Motherboard featuring Dual Symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) x86 Pentium III Coppermine processors (1 GHz each). source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html RAM: 1 gig DDR memory (4 gig max). Supported DDR types PC2100/PC1600 DDR SDRAM PC133/PC100 SDRAM Peripheral Devices: Foppy Drive Hard Drives Maxtor IDE 40 gig Hard Drive (currently Running Windows 2000) Jumper on drive set to Master Western Digital E-IDE 80 gig Drive (currently empty).Jumper on drive set to Slave. Iomage 1 terabyte (external) CD-R/RW DVD-R/RW USB: 2 ports USB 1.0 Based upon the above specs., it is my understanding that any distro that is based upon the i386, i486, i586 and i686 architecture will be compatible with my legacy system. Thank you very much Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
Hi Members At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS stable book version 7.0. Amended please. That should read, At this point, I'd rather install a host dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with the LFS stable book version 7.2 (the newest stable version). source: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/ Thank you Wally Lepore On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. I have accomplished quite a bit of reading over the past few weeks, searched the LFS FAQ, scanned 3 months back on the lfs-support mailing list, have utilized google search and would like to ask for additional support before embarking on this first crucial step please. After all the research, I am still confused as to which host distro to utilize. I was going to utilize the LFS LiveCD in a virtual box but not sure if my legacy system will support a virtual machine (please see system specs below).I have more than enough hard drive space and would like to install the host distro to my hard drive (my system has two hard drives). Last month I attempted to install Ubuntu numerous times but the install failed half way through with an error message. After much research I decided to look for another distro and was amazed at the hundreds of choices. This led to a complete study of Linux and how one distro differs from another. I decided to pull-back and install nothing and simply read, study and learn. I have coded before but nothing on a profesional lebel. Currently studying C language using Code::Blocks. Also learned about learned about checksum and interesting hints in regards to downloading and burning iso files. At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I have not been able to locate the link. Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I would very much appreciate it? I am very familiar with distrowatch and many other support links but considering the time and effort to install a distro I simply wanted to be sure that the distro that I finally settle with is in fact a good base. My system specs are: Motherboard: iWill DVD266R Motherboard featuring Dual Symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) x86 Pentium III Coppermine processors (1 GHz each). source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html RAM: 1 gig DDR memory (4 gig max). Supported DDR types PC2100/PC1600 DDR SDRAM PC133/PC100 SDRAM Peripheral Devices: Foppy Drive Hard Drives Maxtor IDE 40 gig Hard Drive (currently Running Windows 2000) Jumper on drive set to Master Western Digital E-IDE 80 gig Drive (currently empty).Jumper on drive set to Slave. Iomage 1 terabyte (external) CD-R/RW DVD-R/RW USB: 2 ports USB 1.0 Based upon the above specs., it is my understanding that any distro that is based upon the i386, i486, i586 and i686 architecture will be compatible with my legacy system. Thank you very much Wally Lepore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Sep 24, 2012, at 19:14 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I have not been able to locate the link. Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I would very much appreciate it? Hi Wally, This is almost asking like what kind of beer someone likes or what kind of food they like To build LFS, and with your system specs, any will do. I had a dual p3 1.4 tualatin system which built like a champ and pretty darn fast. If you choose debian, and if you want a minimal system to build LFS from, use the netinst iso for i386. Then you can install what you need to build LFS from there such as: I would also suggest slackware as a good host to build from. Install the dev set and you will be fine. Just meet the host system requirements as stated here: http:// www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Other than that I use slackware. If you want a live system, the udpated livecd I have created will do just fine.. http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's reply. But in general, all you should need to do is to check the host system requirements in the preface. The best host system is, of course, the current version of LFS - but for most people that isn't a practical option ;) ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On 09/24/2012 09:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's reply. I used fedora 17 to build LFS-6.8 to LFS-7.2, both i686 and x86_64. I just use the kde spin variant. If I remember correctly all you need to do is to add gcc. I can wait to finish the base build of LFS-7.2 and get on to BLFS. This distros of late are just terrible! -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM, William Harrington wrote: This is almost asking like what kind of beer someone likes or what kind of food they like To build LFS, and with your system specs, any will do. I had a dual p3 1.4 tualatin system which built like a champ and pretty darn fast. If you choose debian, and if you want a minimal system to build LFS from, use the netinst iso for i386. Then you can install what you need to build LFS from there such as: I would also suggest slackware as a good host to build from. Install the dev set and you will be fine. Just meet the host system requirements as stated here: http:// www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Other than that I use slackware. If you want a live system, the udpated livecd I have created will do just fine.. http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ Hi William, Yes I understand and am aware that the distro choice is highly subjective. I did watch in the mentioned video link that during the LFS build process, LFS will turn up errors if the errors already exist in the host distro. I forget the exact wording but I'm sure you know what I am referring to. In other words, it was suggested to use a distro that is error free (if one exists). That is why the author (in the mentioned video) recommends the LFS LiveCD in that something about it being error free. Very nice on your PIII tualatin build. Is it still running? William, I can't find that Debian iso link you recommend. I was at their site and did not see the link for netinst i386. Can you please locate? I'm concerned that Slackware may be too tech heavy for me as that mentioned video link suggested. But if you highly recommend then I will install it. After all, the author did mention that, to really learn Linux use Slackware. Thanks again for your LFS LiveCD updated link. I will consider. At this point it really boils down to either installing a host distro to my hard drive or using the LiveCD. However, if you are already using Slackware, then it may be a good start for me as I will have support in the event I need help (which will almost certainly be). Thank you Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM, William Harrington berzerk...@cox.net wrote: On Sep 24, 2012, at 19:14 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, At this point, I'd rather install a dstro that LFS members recommend as being compatible with LFS version 7.0. I would like to utilize Debian as my host distro for the LFS build as many successful distro's seem to be forked off Debian. Debian has a good package manager and separates free and non-free software quite well. However after reading Debian's installation procedure, I'm not sure If I have the technical experience to install a distro that requires users to install multiple CD's. I notice that other distro's offer their iso images that can fit on one CD (this I would prefer). I did hear that Debian offers an iso image that will -in fact- fit on one CD and is easy to install but I have not been able to locate the link. Also, If any one can recommend a different distro and why or a distro that historically has been a good match for Linux-From_Scratch I would very much appreciate it? Hi Wally, This is almost asking like what kind of beer someone likes or what kind of food they like To build LFS, and with your system specs, any will do. I had a dual p3 1.4 tualatin system which built like a champ and pretty darn fast. If you choose debian, and if you want a minimal system to build LFS from, use the netinst iso for i386. Then you can install what you need to build LFS from there such as: I would also suggest slackware as a good host to build from. Install the dev set and you will be fine. Just meet the host system requirements as stated here: http:// www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Other than that I use slackware. If you want a live system, the udpated livecd I have created will do just fine.. http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/ Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. Conversely, debian and its derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's reply. But in general, all you should need to do is to check the host system requirements in the preface. The best host system is, of course, the current version of LFS - but for most people that isn't a practical option ;) Hi Ken, Thank you for the suggestions. I want the challenge to create a distro. It will give me a better idea of what's behind an OS. Sure I can just install Linux Mint, Ubuntu or whatever and call it a day. But I'm approaching it from a programmers perspective. Plus I would like to help a fellow distro builder with his new version and the way to get on their dev team is to understand what's behind a distro and what makes it tick. As you know, it's all self learning with online support and mailing lists such as this. What better way to learn than to build a LFS distro. That's all. If it takes me a year to complete (or more) so be it. :) Thanks for that Debian update. That was interesting. Yes I did read Williams reply. Thank you. Yes I did read the host requirements in the preface section but remember, I'm new to all this. I have no clue how to check a distro to see if it meets the requirements. I'm going to start from scratch. One step at a time. Learn all the lingo and build exercises and read the Essential Pre-Reading for Life with LFS (again and again). Thanks again Ken Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's reply. But in general, all you should need to do is to check the host system requirements in the preface. The best host system is, of course, the current version of LFS - but for most people that isn't a practical option ;) ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Baho Utot wrote: Hi Baho, I can wait to finish the base build of LFS-7.2 and get on to BLFS. This distros of late are just terrible! By learning to build my own distro, I will soon discover (ok, someday discover) what makes a great distro (IMHO). :-) Regards Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 09/24/2012 09:03 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 08:14:33PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I hope to begin the journey of learning to build my own LFS distro and have been reading the Essential Pre-Reading Guide for Life with LFS (over and over) as well as the LFS book itself. I'm beginning to become familiar with all the terminology and would like some advice on choosing a host distro. This first step is daunting to say the least. Umm, why ? Seriously, most people came here after either starting to loathe their current distro (can you say package management? :) or else because they were using a distro and wanted to learn more. In theory, any recent distro should do. At times, fedora has been *too* new, or difficult (linker options, security features), but I haven't seen any such reports recently. Conversely, debian and its derivatives have a liking for old packages (e.g. mawk instead of gawk) and will need some additions and changes - see William's reply. I used fedora 17 to build LFS-6.8 to LFS-7.2, both i686 and x86_64. I just use the kde spin variant. If I remember correctly all you need to do is to add gcc. I can wait to finish the base build of LFS-7.2 and get on to BLFS. This distros of late are just terrible! -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Sep 24, 2012, at 20:19 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: William, I can't find that Debian iso link you recommend. I was at their site and did not see the link for netinst i386. Can you please locate? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Then: apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Then install telnet or openssh daemon to connect to it from a host where you view the book and can copy and paste book commands. Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington wrote: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Then: apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Then install telnet or openssh daemon to connect to it from a host where you view the book and can copy and paste book commands. Hi William, Great. Thank you. Reading the link now. Ok, I've narrowed it down to two choices as a host distro for LFS. Debian or Slackware? Don't forget, I'm new and will have many questions as I study the book and all sources :-) Thanks so much Wally On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington berzerk...@cox.net wrote: On Sep 24, 2012, at 20:19 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: William, I can't find that Debian iso link you recommend. I was at their site and did not see the link for netinst i386. Can you please locate? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Then: apt-get install bison flex m4 texinfo gawk ncurses-dev dpkg- reconfigure dash ( use bash for default shell) Then install telnet or openssh daemon to connect to it from a host where you view the book and can copy and paste book commands. Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
I recently completed the LFS project and I successfully used Debian as my host system. Don't remember where but I did find a Debian, one CD or maybe it was a DVD I don't remember, install disk. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Host Distribution
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Garrett Gaston wrote: I recently completed the LFS project and I successfully used Debian as my host system. Don't remember where but I did find a Debian, one CD or maybe it was a DVD I don't remember, install disk. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, William Harrington wrote: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Hi Garrett, Why did you choose Debian as your host distro? William sent me the link to the Debian one CD install (above). Regards Wally http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Garrett Gaston garret...@hotmail.com wrote: I recently completed the LFS project and I successfully used Debian as my host system. Don't remember where but I did find a Debian, one CD or maybe it was a DVD I don't remember, install disk. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
