[lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
Hi! I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), so now I'm trying to upgrade that system. As far as I know It could be a failure, but definately not an easy task... I'm confused about how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a temp. system can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. I'm doing the "project" chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic packages that gcc need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the order of the packages to update. Any clue would be appreciated! adam -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
x yy wrote: > Hi! > > I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it > up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), > so now I'm trying to upgrade that system. As far as I know It could > be a failure, but definately not an easy task... I'm confused about > how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a temp. system > can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. I'm doing the "project" > chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic packages that gcc > need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the order of > the packages to update. > > Any clue would be appreciated! Why do you want to upgrade? Is something not working or do you just want the latest of each package. You can basically use any of the instructions in LFS Chapter 6 to overwrite most packages. The biggest problem is updating glibc. When you need to do that, we recommend you just rebuild a new system. Don't update the linux headers. They need to be the same ones used to build glibc. Personally, I don't update unless I have a specific need. I have a separate system for LFS development. Also for BLFS packages, it can be a problem to update something like xorg while the current system is in use unless you use a different prefix like /opt/xorg-xx instead of /usr. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 08:28:13PM +0200, x yy wrote: > Hi! > > I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it > up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), so now > I'm trying to upgrade that system. > As far as I know It could be a failure, but definately not an easy task... > I'm confused about how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a > temp. system can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. > I'm doing the "project" chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic > packages that gcc need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the > order of the packages to update. > > Any clue would be appreciated! > adam Some people apparently upgrade the toolchain in a running LFS - but I'm not sure if any of them read lfs-support. If they don't answer on this list, you might need to ask on blfs-support. The reliable method is to use the old system to build the new one - on a different partition, following the book (particularly, checking the requirements, and building chapter 5. After that is finished, of course, you have to build whatever else you use. Upgrading the toolchain falls into the "if it breaks, you keep both pieces" category. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
> Hi! > > > > I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it > > up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), > > so now I'm trying to upgrade that system. As far as I know It could > > be a failure, but definately not an easy task... I'm confused about > > how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a temp. system > > can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. I'm doing the "project" > > chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic packages that gcc > > need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the order of > > the packages to update. > > > > Any clue would be appreciated! > > Why do you want to upgrade? Is something not working or do you just > want the latest of each package. > > I have to agree -- I'm still running a venerable LFS 6.1.1 build which is quite capable of supporting, for example, the latest Erlang and Postgres packages. I do have a question, however, regarding vulnerabilities in old packages. Does anybody know of a good website that lists vulnerabilities as they are found. That would enable us to replace just those packages in old builds that represent a security risk. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:32:06AM +0100, Richard Melville wrote: > > I do have a question, however, regarding vulnerabilities in old packages. > Does anybody know of a good website that lists vulnerabilities as they are > found. That would enable us to replace just those packages in old builds > that represent a security risk. > The best I can do is to point you to what I added to BLFS : http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/vulnerabilities.html ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:32:06AM +0100, Richard Melville wrote: > > > > I do have a question, however, regarding vulnerabilities in old packages. > > Does anybody know of a good website that lists vulnerabilities as they > are > > found. That would enable us to replace just those packages in old builds > > that represent a security risk. > > > > The best I can do is to point you to what I added to BLFS : > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/vulnerabilities.html > > ?en > -- > das eine Mal als Trag?die, das andere Mal als Farce > > > Thanks Ken -- that was really helpful. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
Ken Moffat írta: >On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 08:28:13PM +0200, x yy wrote:> > Hi! > > > > I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it > up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), so now > I'm trying to upgrade that system.> > As far as I know It could be a failure, but definately not an easy task... > > I'm confused about how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a > temp. system can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. > > I'm doing the "project" chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic > packages that gcc need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the > order of the packages to update. > > > > Any clue would be appreciated! > > adam> > Some people apparently upgrade the toolchain in a running LFS - but> I'm not sure if any of them read lfs-support. If they don't answer> on this list, you might need to ask on blfs-support.> > The reliable method is to use the old system to build the new one -> on a different partition, following the book (particularly, checking> the requirements, and building chapter 5. After that is finished, of> course, you have to build whatever else you use.> > Upgrading the toolchain falls into the "if it breaks, you keep both> pieces" category.> This subject has been broken into thwo threads so I reply in this one: So, yes, I would like to have updated packages because of the possibility of security bugs. I remember there was a bug in glibc when I gave up LFS, because I didn't want to rebuild everything... I'm using gentoo and I thought updating LFS similar to it, as gentoo also doing it on-the-fly, though I don't know its internal working... And don't forget the learning experience of updating a full system:) Oh, yes, I can remember that I was reading mailing lists and security pages like a mad to find out what to update:) -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
> Ken Moffat írta: zarniwhoop? :) LOL. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On 8/28/2012 2:12 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Ken Moffat írta: > zarniwhoop? :) LOL. > > -- Bruce Indeed. Though my favorite line comes from a video game: "No one likes a smart ass." :) Elly -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:44 PM, Eleanore Boyd wrote: > On 8/28/2012 2:12 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> Ken Moffat írta: >> zarniwhoop? :) LOL. >> >> -- Bruce > Indeed. Though my favorite line comes from a video game: "No one > likes a > smart ass." > :) > > Elly > I wouldn't expect Bruce to LOL on a list! That's insane. Sincerely, WIlliam Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Ken Moffat írta: > > zarniwhoop? :) LOL. > Yes ? What's so funny ? Seriously - you only just noticed ? When I got broadband, all the good names were already taken. Apart from a long period when I couldn't access the account because something got broken in ntl/virgin (that's when I got a gmail a/c) - fixed when its mail handling got outsourced to google - that's what I've used (although I often posted with my LFS id). ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> Ken Moffat írta: >> >> zarniwhoop? :) LOL. >> > Yes ? What's so funny ? It just struck me that way. > Seriously - you only just noticed ? Yes. The address between the <> doesn't normally show on my email reader. > When I got broadband, all the > good names were already taken. What was wrong with ken.moffat? Taken? -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On 08/28/2012 06:38 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: [putolin] > What was wrong with ken.moffat? LOL.I don't think anyone shoukd answer that. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On 8/28/2012 5:11 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat írta: zarniwhoop? :) LOL. Yes ? What's so funny ? Seriously - you only just noticed ? When I got broadband, all the good names were already taken. Apart from a long period when I couldn't access the account because something got broken in ntl/virgin (that's when I got a gmail a/c) - fixed when its mail handling got outsourced to google - that's what I've used (although I often posted with my LFS id). ĸen We are not laughing at you, we are enjoying the legacy of one who has created many amazing, amazingly confounding, and hilarious works. Besides, I installed /Starship Titanic/ on my Windows machine. What does that tell you, dear? Elly -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 05:38:26PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > What was wrong with ken.moffat? Taken? > I've still just about got an account in my name at a previous isp - it gives out too much information to automated harvesting of addresses. So far, I haven't been invited to purchase a book about the Zarniwhoop family, for example :) ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
