Re: [liberationtech] Vote results on "Reply to" Question
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 09:46:00PM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: > "spam"? how about your message? isn't it "meta-spam"? :D xd I can tell you that I'm not filling your inbox with repetitive one-liners, which should have gone a single person taking the tally. > Responsible and thoughtful citizens think before acting, including sending Somebody fetch me a responsible and thoughtful citizen, then. These seem to be in terribly scarce supply. > messages intended to be private to public forums. You watch this space for a couple years, you'll see plenty of such. It's all fun and games until people get hurt. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] skype
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 02:36:53PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: > Rich, that's because you're not thinking like the average non-technical > user, who usually does the following: [snip thorough and IMHO, on-point analysis] You make an excellent (series of) points. And I have to concede that you're right. So let me refocus my comments on the efforts made (here and elsewhere) to get Microsoft to cough up answers: can't everyone see that these responses have been carefully wordsmithed within an inch of their lives in what is an obvious and deliberate attempt to say as little as possible and omit as much as possible? Microsoft, like many corporations, employs professional spokesliars who are very, very good at crafting wording that can be defended (should it come to that) but which doesn't present the truth in a straightforward fashion. That's their JOB. After all: anyone there could tell the truth -- it's not hard. But it takes a trained and practiced professional to evade it, obscure it, conceal it, dance around it in convincing fashion -- and even use it in limited ways when it serves the purpose. "A man who tells lies, like me, merely hides the truth. But a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it." --- Mr. Dryden, "Lawrence of Arabia" Microsoft is never, ever, ever going to provide full, honest, truthful answers to these questions. Why should they? What's in it for them? How would those answers make money for Microsoft? (And if you think for a moment that Microsoft has ANY corporate value other than "making money", then you live in a different universe than I do.) So what *is* the truth? I dunno. I think (and I emphasize "think", because I do not know) that Skype is probably spyware. I think it's got backdoors that have been designed into it. I think Microsoft has, is, and will hand over information on Skype users, usage, and content to governments, including the United States, but possibly including other ones. I think that Skype has probably also been cracked by other governments. I think that it also has security issues, some of which are known/partially-known, some of which might be intentional. I think that nobody should be using it for any purpose ever. That said, though, even if I'm right on all those points, that's not going to stop people from using it. And that's where *you're* right: I wish you weren't, but you are, and I don't know how to fix that situation. ---rsk -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Review: 5 recent works on the digital divide and telecentres/CTCs
Folks, as part of an upcoming conference presentation proposal, I've posted on the Social Science Research Network a review of five recent works "From the Digital Divide to Digital Inclusion and Beyond: Update on Telecentres and Community Technology Centers (CTCs)." Based on a critical inclusion perspective suggested in a paper by David Nemer, the review illustrates the transformative, liberating, radical democratic, community-building dimensions and character of both the institutions and the authors' research and covers: * Ricardo Gomez, ed., "Telecentres, Cybercafes and Public Access to ICT: International Comparisons" (2012) * Panayiota Tsatsou's "Digital Divides in Europe — Culture, Politics and the Western-Southern Divide" (2011) * Christian Sandvig's "Connection at Ewiiaapaayp Mountain: Indigenous Internet Infrastructure" (2012) * Virginia Eubanks' "Digital Dead End: Fighting for Social Justice in the Information Age" (2011) * Melissa Gilbert and Michele Masucci's "ICT Geographies: Strategies for Bridging the Digital Divide" (2011) A fuller abstract and this "Beyond Inclusion" essay can be found at http://ssrn.com/abstract=2241167 -- feedback welcome. thanks, peter miller pet...@igc.org peterbmiller.wordpress.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Review: 5 recent works on the digital divide and telecentres/CTCs
Nice, thanks! On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:56 AM, peter miller wrote: > Folks, as part of an upcoming conference presentation proposal, I've > posted on the Social Science Research Network a review of five recent works > "From the Digital Divide to Digital Inclusion and Beyond: Update on > Telecentres and Community Technology Centers (CTCs)." > > Based on a critical inclusion perspective suggested in a paper by David > Nemer, the review illustrates the transformative, liberating, radical > democratic, community-building dimensions and character of both the > institutions and the authors' research and covers: > * Ricardo Gomez, ed., "Telecentres, Cybercafes and Public Access to ICT: > International Comparisons" (2012) > * Panayiota Tsatsou's "Digital Divides in Europe — Culture, Politics and > the Western-Southern Divide" (2011) > * Christian Sandvig's "Connection at Ewiiaapaayp Mountain: Indigenous > Internet Infrastructure" (2012) > * Virginia Eubanks' "Digital Dead End: Fighting for Social Justice in the > Information Age" (2011) > * Melissa Gilbert and Michele Masucci's "ICT Geographies: Strategies for > Bridging the Digital Divide" (2011) > > A fuller abstract and this "Beyond Inclusion" essay can be found at > http://ssrn.com/abstract=2241167 -- feedback welcome. > > thanks, peter miller > pet...@igc.org > peterbmiller.wordpress.com > > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Dr. Warigia Bowman Assistant Professor Clinton School of Public Service University of Arkansas wbow...@clintonschool.uasys.edu - View my research on my SSRN Author page: http://ssrn.com/author=1479660 -- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Mobile Martus and (sort of) Not Recruiting
We'll be shortly going into beta test with our Mobile Martus Android app, allowing Martus users to do secure data collection on Android handsets and sync that data with their Martus accounts in the cloud. This is not full-on Martus on a phone, rather a minimalist interface to send text, photos, audio recordings and videos to an existing Martus server account for later use. I especially want to want to acknowledge the Tor and Guardian teams for their help and code, which made this development much easier and better. Plus the human rights donors that support open source software for the movement, especially the MacArthur Foundation and the Open Technology Fund. On a related matter: with the spin-off of the Human Rights Data Analysis Group last month (and Patrick Ball's renewed focus on being the world's leading human rights data scientist), Benetech is looking for a new leader for our human rights program. I covered the reasons why someone wouldn't want the role in this blog post: http://benetech.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-you-dont-want-this-job.html If you know someone who would be perfect, but probably wouldn't want this job, please let them know about it, and I'll try to talk them into it anyway. Your help is appreciated: there are new opportunities to do much more with a new generation of Martus and especially better integrate our technical and extensive field work with the work of other developers (such as those on this list) who share our commitment to help the movement be safer and more effective in advocating for greater respect for human rights. Jim Benetech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] skype
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/30/2013 11:04 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Microsoft, like many corporations, employs professional spokesliars > who are very, very good at crafting wording that can be defended > (should it come to that) but which doesn't present the truth in a > straightforward fashion. That's their JOB. After all: anyone > there could tell the truth -- it's not hard. But it takes a > trained and practiced professional to evade it, obscure it, conceal > it, dance around it in convincing fashion -- and even use it in > limited ways when it serves the purpose. > *** Too long for a tweet; awesome prose! > > That said, though, even if I'm right on all those points, that's > not going to stop people from using it. And that's where *you're* > right: I wish you weren't, but you are, and I don't know how to fix > that situation. > *** I don't know either, but Jitsi provides such a good alternative to Skype that the only blocking "feature" is the social network: when people using skype intensively decide to switch to Jitsi (or other SIP-compatible clients), it's done. Is it merely a matter of marketing and network effect? Is it a matter of promoting SIP services at ISP level? How to beat the inertia of a bad habit? == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRV4HxAAoJEDhjYTkcokoTjLwP/2KPgacaKxSWQc7JdxucMp33 crr49jj9Tz4Xd8LUASwZo+gjKRZezv6K8+ijyMHpjKS2n1noVGZzeOA3Oi/6jVm4 mWCzGwVlLeXpcrBtyo7RSRvMFD3ys+Cx1npW0fp0Kl6A49zKku8VVPXs9SLWU3i/ yQ41jKfFscgzDSrX+QwOEN1TnJIbCJ3SY3vQo1Ne/1XlNUBpCXSH4soNjr7iQoXL kDSyQVRtk4iaF7DDA3PmQrd827xgtb5/nz4UdiptZgLgVhpJZ1/Ar7cZ/aDCs44k GPfwILiiGbRZA3UtWn+A/aG12MKxxxJ+LRaaz1Vxa/XBNgPkO5a8Oyp2SGUTerlR QOq09j9436LKDClQszFnW7uUAPogsx0WuhCHeujoObRquW0oN/UmY7qqMcw+lkVJ Fjl65D5jgUhOQQoWgv3xe2NAC0bEokVZbqGx60HVKy4Zbe6Yc/gsxEX3ceRVSV+/ /sKPI74Qm/BIo4h0F9PWl9fMxiz68RrhTjbynybS89KFJGBwcscNIW060wDNYIMS RsWHfql+IGMCwLr20GHVNq02sIhB5vAiagaIboKOg3bPaVnqsKWRxwQRjV52yuPE KLVXxhi8IgDq8IAnvYtdrIQeN0qT+xMwJ0mTPynZGpRNoieJ/hqUZaZoIcMcTcEv x8Cwgy4s9Cjr3uDlJOAI =IWPk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] skype
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/30/2013 07:23 PM, hellekin wrote: > >> That said, though, even if I'm right on all those points, that's >> not going to stop people from using it. And that's where >> *you're* right: I wish you weren't, but you are, and I don't know >> how to fix that situation. > > *** I don't know either, but Jitsi provides such a good alternative > to Skype that the only blocking "feature" is the social network: > when people using skype intensively decide to switch to Jitsi (or > other SIP-compatible clients), it's done. Is it merely a matter of > marketing and network effect? Is it a matter of promoting SIP > services at ISP level? How to beat the inertia of a bad habit? Honestly, I don't think it's just a bad habit. It's apathy. Most people don't really *care* if Microsoft or law enforcement listens in or intercepts their communications. They've bought into the whole 'If they're monitoring people, then those people must be doing something wrong' and 'I have nothing to hide, why would I care?' mindsets. I think the first step is to educate people as to why they should even care. The next is to offer them a viable solution like Jitsi. Anthony -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Need my public key? http://bit.ly/Y91VgY iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRV4RSAAoJEAKK33RTsEsVCtQP/iECKyvJjtZqWgO1647UW+BB YTJfU6AmK9FQ7736Y8ELGjPs4OHYM2hqqbzRKaeFJwo1VmmAqZMSOXKrfUTSBWKM kajB6z7tUOQLQXJBkvf990VDuH1RFxrejxB9BlQ91N3d/IjdxhbrVksep52JmYkZ rKP92fQe1m9uX9ctFS4BH/Tu/OfgWAzWWCjsGS7CnSDNLXqrbmM+KF6WSpr+bMer +sTXRFP/vcKttxYwlcGKX4qDBI8QQU7wM72HiqiWPtNgBQOFxn9hd28UKZOg1A68 YIgHFSUqNBrPtLwIjBmFZJjEl/EaQhHC2W1Tq8rOC/EIFYBvF5diaNqnIxYD6ZX3 lDyfcAMJ/c/C2+12QvTcB60276Rj8+4N8lyNiDtN7ArZlIq8UWWs/NGORCi5yKIH BiXMJXG02t3lxpoTMG853zpOCqNzdLs0Ok6HnECQlPkZwq2mw7BXG1jfPpnF2wy7 HE9Wd5YvkvPVPGduCs1TSQdYErKZs+dFfzedAjfEOrVNDl1EB/VoLJF51IzH7PXj GozRmOgJ3A5r+YrZen8uwVYn9vIziVzinlogA8ZguBJgaknGXdM/17AGP2UFl9Gq sDS7HxbsSsr8BHEJrFhy29C6ODtf6WMPpmhIURsGFluFVeGgE7wqxPlPUdYZeXkE LZoMM8pfbLYYNLez+WoZ =mFtQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Vote results on "Reply to" Question
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Failure, actually. It shows that democratic decisions > tend to produce technically suboptimal results. The vote in this case shows that majority of subscribers value their convenience more than cool stories of someone's past stupidity or settings guidelines from, of all things, GNU software. To most people, it is pretty clear that convenience * number of users > some contrived case of someone getting hurt due to not thinking before doing something — an intuitive economic argument that somehow eludes people who value SMTP headers over what users actually want. > That the whole list was spammed with voting traffic > just adds insult to injury -- Dunning-Kruger in > action. It is pretty clear that people wanted their opinion to be known. Just asking for something (individual replies in case of this vote) doesn't mean that everyone will comply. Don't assume that you are smarter than everyone else just because you are better versed in technical aspects of some issue. -- Maxim Kammerer Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Vote results on "Reply to" Question
Amén! I just find it ridiculous to apply red-phone rules to lists that ate green-phone! On Mar 30, 2013 10:25 PM, "Maxim Kammerer" wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > Failure, actually. It shows that democratic decisions > > tend to produce technically suboptimal results. > > The vote in this case shows that majority of subscribers value their > convenience more than cool stories of someone's past stupidity or > settings guidelines from, of all things, GNU software. To most people, > it is pretty clear that convenience * number of users > some contrived > case of someone getting hurt due to not thinking before doing > something — an intuitive economic argument that somehow eludes people > who value SMTP headers over what users actually want. > > > That the whole list was spammed with voting traffic > > just adds insult to injury -- Dunning-Kruger in > > action. > > It is pretty clear that people wanted their opinion to be known. Just > asking for something (individual replies in case of this vote) doesn't > mean that everyone will comply. Don't assume that you are smarter than > everyone else just because you are better versed in technical aspects > of some issue. > > -- > Maxim Kammerer > Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] I-Power : Using Crowd Support, Not Bribes, to Redress Public Grievances
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: > From: V Nath > > I am looking for feedback on the "I-Power" platform. > > I - Power plans on - Using Crowd Support, Not Bribes, to Redress Public > Grievances. > People feel powerless when Governments fail to act on their grievances. > I-Power web + mobile platform will provide people with online legal tools and > crowd support to resolve their public grievances quickly. No more bribes! Hi, this seems similar to the Russian «Демократор» platform: http://democrator.ru/ https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Демократор I have no experience with it, so can't comment further. -- Maxim Kammerer Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech