Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations
On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: On 01/09/13 10:00, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: AFAIK Deleuze, Foucault et al. did not say anything specifically about covert (mass-)surveillance, or analyse how the inherently secret nature of such organizations might be a causal element in theories of social control. Secret surveillance organizations are NOT Panoptic in a technical sense - they normally don't want you to know or fear they are watching (with tactical exceptions). Is there anyone who's aware of overt surveillance and who doesn't at least suspect that some form of covert surveillance also exists? And isn't that suspicion enough to create a panoptic effect? to some *unconscious* extent yes, but I have never seen any psychological studies into this. There ought to be an effect where even "solid citizens" become inhibited from communicating (or thinking! much harder experiment) certain ideas, depending on the level of "ambient NSA-phobia", and this indeed might function as a form of social control. Never seen any studies on that idea. [Of course the STASI and others would make the surveillance obvious for the purpose of intimidation as a standard tactic in particular cases, but in general the watchers don't want the watched to know true capabilities] However on the face of it, that isn't the classical Panopticon, where discipline is maintained by fear of detection by the unseen warden The prisoners don't know whether they're being watched at any moment, or whether the watchtower is even occupied; the secret surveillance organisation, the existence of which cannot be confirmed, corresponds to the warden who may or may not be in the watchtower. In Jeremy Bentham's original proposal, his idea was that prisoners who break discipline wilfully or transgress otherwise are singled out (at random possibly) and then publicly punished in the sight of all the rest as an example, but only a few days after the transgression, to magnify the prisoner's demoralisation after thinking they have got away with it. Incidentally, Bentham envisaged this system becoming a dynastic livelihood for him and his family, and petitioned the government to build a prison, and make him the warder! Nice work if you can get it, plenty of time for scholalry pursuits between semi-random episodes of exemplary punishment. However, a possible Waiting-for-Godot variant of this idea would be that nasty things happen to prisoners in a more ambiguous way, so that prisoners never know if the watching warden even exists at all - it might all be random misfortune (of course well-behaved prisoners would also have to be punished sometimes randomly to maintain the uncertainty). It isn't clear why this is a better strategy for the wardens, except perhaps the uncertainty makes it harder for enough resentment to crystallize for a rebellion to occur. Wasn't the NSA closer to the panoptic ideal when it was No Such Agency than now, when we know we're being watched? Yes, absolutely, but I don't think NSA wanted that, although a grimly conspiratorial interpretation of current events is that it is a vast planned PR gambit to effect transition to a global neo-Panoptic society, after all civil libertarians have exhausted themselves in protest... Caspar -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations
On 09/01/13 22:21, Guido Witmond wrote: ... Before the revelations and the subsequent confirmations, many people would rather believe the old truth (having nothing to hide) than to live with the new truth that they've been misled. Truth hurts. That's the reason why so many people claim they have nothing to hide. It's emotional. And often the people claiming this most loudly are politicians, because the clamour for "transparency" into every detail of a political candidate's private life has made this imperative. We should be afraid of that tendency, because if the only people prepared to go into public life are those whose interior life is so dull or non-existent that they really have nothing to hide, then it is certain we will be ruled by philosophical zombies with a sub-normal sense of empathy and self-awareness. I'd rather elect a hypocrite any day Caspar -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations
On 09/02/13 08:46, Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: ... Wasn't the NSA closer to the panoptic ideal when it was No Such Agency than now, when we know we're being watched? Yes, absolutely, but I don't think NSA wanted that, although a grimly conspiratorial interpretation of current events is that it is a vast planned PR gambit to effect transition to a global neo-Panoptic society, after all civil libertarians have exhausted themselves in protest... Sorry I misread, that was a non-seqitur, i.e. the NSA is *now* the warden of a Panoptic Internet in consequence of the revelations. When it was No Such Agency, the Panoptic effect only occurs with "paranoids" or (as above speculatively) unconsciously CB -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
Is it not funny, no one seems to be commercially oftering Snowden masks for this Holloween. I looked on Amazon and google and nothing on the first page of a cursory search. You would think it would be a top seller. Is presure being applied? Please tell me if you are aware of a source. Thank You. -- Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 --- "Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it." Edward Snowden -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Sociological studies of covert mass-surveillance organisations
Caspar Bowden (lists) wrote: > On 09/01/13 21:49, Michael Rogers wrote: ... >> Is there anyone who's aware of overt surveillance and who doesn't at >> least suspect that some form of covert surveillance also exists? And >> isn't that suspicion enough to create a panoptic effect? > > to some *unconscious* extent yes, but I have never seen any > psychological studies into this. There ought to be an effect where even > "solid citizens" become inhibited from communicating (or thinking! much > harder experiment) certain ideas, depending on the level of "ambient Speaking of mind control in the authoritarian, possibly panoptic context, in speaking to a couple of ordinary-seeming college-age city kids in a large, well known, largely industrial, regime in recent years (over telephone and unencrypted online communications, such as VOIP and instant messaging, which admittedly with the prospect of surveillance could effect what they would say), I wanted to get to know them and their world view. They happily talked about their family life and their career aspirations, and their city and environs, and whether they'd traveled (very little within their own country and happily explained to me how and why it was nearly impossible for them to leave the country). They had a kind of patriotic pride in their local industry. But I wanted to get to know how they thought... what their opinions were... philisophically, religiously, spiritually, and politically. I was stonewalled on those topics by the couple of (independent) young people I talked to. They were willing to hear my thoughts and views, but not really to respond to them. When pressed, I really upset one of them, and in both cases was told that they have no political views. The one who got upset said "that only leads to unhappiness" (or was it "trouble"?). At the same time, I've found something interesting with instant messaging over the years. If I have a public profile and am online, I get periodic random contacts from people around the world reaching out. These people have been mostly from more authoritarian countries with minor contact with the outside world. A surprising number from countries with hardly any internet access (those people had some amount of privelege, obviously, and often contacted me from shared public terminals at some cost). So there is this desire to reach out to the world, to connect, to participate, to have access to information, but in some cases simultaniously continued denial of holding philosophies, and in particular, political opinions. > NSA-phobia", and this indeed might function as a form of social control. > Never seen any studies on that idea. [Of course the STASI and others > would make the surveillance obvious for the purpose of intimidation as a > standard tactic in particular cases, but in general the watchers don't > want the watched to know true capabilities] > > However on the face of it, that isn't the classical Panopticon, where > discipline is maintained by fear of detection by the unseen warden > >> The prisoners don't know whether they're being watched at any moment, >> or whether the watchtower is even occupied; the secret surveillance >> organisation, the existence of which cannot be confirmed, corresponds >> to the warden who may or may not be in the watchtower. ... > Yes, absolutely, but I don't think NSA wanted that, although a grimly > conspiratorial interpretation of current events is that it is a vast > planned PR gambit to effect transition to a global neo-Panoptic society, > after all civil libertarians have exhausted themselves in protest... Although I doubt that much of the way things have been playing out in the US re. the NSA and with encryption providers was calculated in advance, it does seem possible that some actions taken as this all unfolded were done in part to enhance a culture of fear and to stifle freedom of expression. Luckily, there is more public criticism in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world now than during Bush Jr.'s leadup to the second Iraq war, where media and the public fell in line so neatly and quickly it would seem Bush could have---should he have chosen---followed the example of the Nazis. It was part of the same playbook. And Jr. being famously uncharismatic and inarticulate (whether that was partly staged or not) didn't seem to put much of a damper on the freezing-effect on all major and most minor media outlets and the greater part of the populace. As a man, I give Jr. the benefit of the doubt, and assume he was just lacking in wisdom. That is not so important to me in any case. What was frightening for me was the susceptibility of the media, the public, the Congress, and the judiciary to control, and the ease in which rule of law was lost to a large degree. I believe people get wiser over the generations, and that democracy, still relatively new, especially in widespread popularity, can work well. But no matter the form of governance, it requi
[liberationtech] Research on communication in ad hoc groups?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Does anyone on the list know of any research into the way people communicate in ad hoc groups? By an ad hoc group I mean a group formed for the duration of a particular communication, such as the list of people CCed in an email thread, as opposed to a group defined by a topic, such as a mailing list or IRC channel. I'm particularly interested in the way ad hoc groups evolve over time - - eg as people are added to and removed from CC lists - and the extent to which members of ad hoc groups also communicate with each other one-to-one. Thanks, Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSJJcpAAoJEBEET9GfxSfMACQIAIgyi8iYJ3sAfvMJKAz92nUB GEGkc6VAjneu5/dXYQIvx8ABUlxKGSNvDgi5vAPGLTuHGtlLw1fpusIMWGJUDCWP caSa4zgukH5LKMqVgso4d1K8t+z6ZIsvuZ20318kg3U3ZUlVv2KIQfOG9DZNW/cz CuRtzHyHn6FJczhDrC/sHMTIti2q3Bggo//Ir3XZIyj8UE72E3nNxFKYXDIL4c+C RYwGDB3rP3OyYSls/tHyrXfLNmpkxmTW2aqvUnr59X/tY/n9xxAz728ivzd6KfY3 aZLJFgQuPMxbuH3soorAVZ4HshyZ/CuWSKiIj5ngNrGYiFXP+ObQH+7xQviwwjo= =nyM6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] WaPo releases details on US offensive cyber-ops
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Washington Post (Aug 30) - "U.S. spy agencies mounted 231 offensive cyber-operations in 2011, documents show" by @BartonGellman & @nakashimae: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-spy-agencies-mounted-231-offensive-cyber-operations-in-2011-documents-show/2013/08/30/d090a6ae-119e-11e3-b4cb-fd7ce041d814_story.html > under an extensive effort code-named GENIE, U.S. computer > specialists break into foreign networks so that they can be put > under surreptitious U.S. control. Budget documents say the $652 > million project has placed “covert implants,” sophisticated > malware transmitted from far away, in computers, routers and > firewalls on tens of thousands of machines every year, with plans > to expand those numbers into the millions. ... > The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1 > million this year to “additional covert purchases of software > vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing > gray-market industry based largely in Europe. gf - -- Gregory Foster || gfos...@entersection.org @gregoryfoster <> http://entersection.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSJM5iAAoJEMaAACmjGtgjdbIP/12OFrDd3Hjp8vnmT8gj39Ke BuNqryCsN1yrJtDmDfUjjXoQ5L/Hkd5wxavmEOLd+ujJHle3hYhzaOcbYhCJxXmO Yh/8T1VRxjthxCloZhF4o+y3cd9/Hroq98wN+i6lNQMSfWgJcOnOmTxukkjE+W5+ dz/BuFuwyKH+A7nCdFLyvsBThq9vciIstEAY4aBgFODD7is373qWaJ/rbCTg4Q0R ySkaW1jSiyds8fbro4y8MLJDktRuDoG6Y8iimwiiab0nBl/2Emhrjl59Bgr1kZEw C6zn1yD8ZCdR4asAGyObLOByu2wcSycTAeVRwVMI0Jd9jAE3jh2XZpk7KJ8hV3+7 iNblmunYi3JbmYqzuByRqGNEr/Dr1lNqKJYEPh1wk7xtb5Tidta+m4yfc2zToHX6 evlHkhxDNuDzS9SulZ0/a7X7cFFDhnsg649H1HLCzSq85SvwsRDs50OFD4IO8sw3 UaIz4Mxa+HHBuTaOUtYgPl8OEtB+TiVRgsSWvp5H0IOAFS3hfWF8Qa+fim3X0aXu Iboh8NxX0tbx95mvVo98IZfor++cXY3PvIDRZFHHvFphoYWjp7o2LZTEWzb+zVub 6Ph4iSZ3xQCqxDsKCxU51DwQZXf5UpCGGq3BbmmSCj3XSAP0KPLmrs/qrt/3W9qe C7PeIi/toTCeJPMRdCN0 =ihTp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Research on communication in ad hoc groups?
Computer-mediated communication literature has been studying this since the 1980s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-mediated_communication The field has its own journal: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10./(ISSN)1083-6101 Sociological approaches have studied how the choice to reply, cc or bcc forms social networks: http://www.isi.edu/~adibi/Enron/Enron_Dataset_Report.pdf On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > Does anyone on the list know of any research into the way people > communicate in ad hoc groups? By an ad hoc group I mean a group formed > for the duration of a particular communication, such as the list of > people CCed in an email thread, as opposed to a group defined by a > topic, such as a mailing list or IRC channel. > > I'm particularly interested in the way ad hoc groups evolve over time > - - eg as people are added to and removed from CC lists - and the extent > to which members of ad hoc groups also communicate with each other > one-to-one. > > Thanks, > Michael > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSJJcpAAoJEBEET9GfxSfMACQIAIgyi8iYJ3sAfvMJKAz92nUB > GEGkc6VAjneu5/dXYQIvx8ABUlxKGSNvDgi5vAPGLTuHGtlLw1fpusIMWGJUDCWP > caSa4zgukH5LKMqVgso4d1K8t+z6ZIsvuZ20318kg3U3ZUlVv2KIQfOG9DZNW/cz > CuRtzHyHn6FJczhDrC/sHMTIti2q3Bggo//Ir3XZIyj8UE72E3nNxFKYXDIL4c+C > RYwGDB3rP3OyYSls/tHyrXfLNmpkxmTW2aqvUnr59X/tY/n9xxAz728ivzd6KfY3 > aZLJFgQuPMxbuH3soorAVZ4HshyZ/CuWSKiIj5ngNrGYiFXP+ObQH+7xQviwwjo= > =nyM6 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Postdocs in Spain
From: Gemma Galdon Clavell The Catalan Government is offering 60 2-year postdoctoral grants for people who compelted their PhD between 01/01/2007 and 31/12/2011. Gross yearly salary of 42,500 euros. I am more than willing to welcome surveillance scholars at my department (sociology), so if this is something you'd be interested in, contact me and we'll see how to go about it. Deadline is Sept 30th and successful applicants should join the institution no later than Oct 1st, 2014. http://www10.gencat.cat/agaur_web/AppJava/english/a_beca.jsp?categoria=postdoctorals&id_beca=19944 Kind regards, Gemma Galdon Clavell *Polítiques i tecnologies de seguretat / Security, Technology & Society* *Universitat de Barcelona* Departament de Sociologia i Anàlisi de les Organitzacions Av. Diagonal 696 -08034 Barcelona Tf. +34934024308 http://ub.academia.edu/GemmaGaldonClavell [image: Descripción: cid:A624F3FB-204A-4588-ACC2-44145630556A] -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] WaPo releases details on US offensive cyber-ops
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Gregory Foster wrote: > ... > The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1 > million this year to “additional covert purchases of software > vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing > gray-market industry based largely in Europe. i would love to know how much of the overall market for exploits this $25.1mm figure represents, and how much was exclusive vs. shared access... -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has no right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of being a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an agent to grant that license on his behalf. We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit the subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release form signed,… ). CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide for media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to explain that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look up the links. I am on holiday. ;) SN On Sep 2, 2013 5:00 AM, "Paul Elliott" wrote: > > Is it not funny, no one seems to be commercially oftering Snowden > masks for this Holloween. > > I looked on Amazon and google and nothing on the first page of > a cursory search. > > You would think it would be a top seller. > > Is presure being applied? > > Please tell me if you are aware of a source. > > Thank You. > > -- > Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 > pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd > Suite J > http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 > --- > "Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one > of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint > security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways > around it." Edward Snowden > > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] WaPo releases details on US offensive cyber-ops
On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:13 PM, coderman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Gregory Foster > wrote: >> ... >> The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1 >> million this year to “additional covert purchases of software >> vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing >> gray-market industry based largely in Europe. > > > i would love to know how much of the overall market for exploits this > $25.1mm figure represents, and how much was exclusive vs. shared > access... > -- Perhaps just as troubling…. there's no certainty that the companies who deal in cyber-arms (exploits) to governments aren't selling the same exploits to other, adversarial governments. Some companies, like Vupen, attempt to make themselves seem like they're doing humanity a favor by only selling to "NATO members", but when faced with criticism from companies who can't (or won't) outbid governments for access to exploits, Vupen had this to say: “We don’t work as hard as we do to help multibillion-dollar software companies make their code secure,... If we wanted to volunteer, we’d help the homeless.” Many companies against which they develop exploits aren't multi-billion dollar companies, and no one is asking them to volunteer. This company admits it doesn't want to help companies make their code secure. These are cyber arms dealers. source for quote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/03/21/meet-the-hackers-who-sell-spies-the-tools-to-crack-your-pc-and-get-paid-six-figure-fees/ Best, Jason Gulledge @ramdac-- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:41PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: > Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has no > right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of being > a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an agent to > grant that license on his behalf. > > We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without > permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit the > subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. > (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release form > signed,… ). > > CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide for > media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. > > Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) > which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to explain > that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily > quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look up > the links. I am on holiday. ;) > Is not Snowden a public figure? I am sure bush and obama did not approve all the bush and obama masks? -- Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
No one elected him and he may have volunteered for the spotlight but not in the same way that some one does when they campaign for office. Even movie stars have a right to their visages. Where you could say that a sign "We are all Snowden" is political speech, citizen Snowden also has rights to privacy and dignity, and commercial rights that he does not abandon by being a well-knnown whistleblower, any more than say Rush Limbaugh would by being a well-known radio personality. Just see how fast the lawyers would be layered on top of you if you tried to make Rush masks for Halloween without licensing on the basis of him being a public figure -- and he's been part of our cultural landscape far longer. Scarier, too. ;) SN On Sep 2, 2013 7:43 PM, "Paul Elliott" wrote: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:41PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: > > Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has no > > right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of > being > > a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an agent > to > > grant that license on his behalf. > > > > We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without > > permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit the > > subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. > > (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release form > > signed,… ). > > > > CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide for > > media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. > > > > Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) > > which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to explain > > that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily > > quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look up > > the links. I am on holiday. ;) > > > > Is not Snowden a public figure? I am sure bush and obama did > not approve all the bush and obama masks? > > -- > Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 > pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd > Suite J > http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 > > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Forcing VPN on Mac OS X
Hi! Is there some software which would prevent any outgoing networking on Mac OS X until a VPN to a trusted server is established? So on the system level? I am wary that between me connecting to an untrusted WiFi and establishing a VPN tunnel, there is some window where probably all possible services try to ping home, auto-update and so on. (I am using OpenVPN/Tunnelblick. But I am searching for a solution in general.) Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
I actually disagree... his ownership of his likeness is minimal. He is a public figure and as such anyone who wanted to make a mask would be pretty free to do so. I am not saying someone should go out and do it, and if you do and get sued don't come after me... but if I had the resources available and I thought this could make some money I would do it. Travis McCrea http://www.travismccrea.com USA: 1(206) 552-8728 / CAN: 1(778) 709-4859 Candidate for the Canadian Pirate Party in the Vancouver Centre riding. Any views stated in this email are my own and do not reflect the opinions of the party. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Shava Nerad wrote: > No one elected him and he may have volunteered for the spotlight but not > in the same way that some one does when they campaign for office. Even > movie stars have a right to their visages. Where you could say that a sign > "We are all Snowden" is political speech, citizen Snowden also has rights > to privacy and dignity, and commercial rights that he does not abandon by > being a well-knnown whistleblower, any more than say Rush Limbaugh would by > being a well-known radio personality. Just see how fast the lawyers would > be layered on top of you if you tried to make Rush masks for Halloween > without licensing on the basis of him being a public figure -- and he's > been part of our cultural landscape far longer. Scarier, too. ;) > > SN > On Sep 2, 2013 7:43 PM, "Paul Elliott" > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:41PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: >> > Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has >> no >> > right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of >> being >> > a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an agent >> to >> > grant that license on his behalf. >> > >> > We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without >> > permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit >> the >> > subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. >> > (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release >> form >> > signed,… ). >> > >> > CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide for >> > media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. >> > >> > Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) >> > which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to >> explain >> > that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily >> > quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look >> up >> > the links. I am on holiday. ;) >> > >> >> Is not Snowden a public figure? I am sure bush and obama did >> not approve all the bush and obama masks? >> >> -- >> Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 >> pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd >> Suite J >> http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 >> >> -- >> Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. >> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at >> compa...@stanford.edu. >> > > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Forcing VPN on Mac OS X
I thought OpenVPN will automatically stop traffic if VPN drops. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Forcing VPN on Mac OS X
Warning - ~I~ haven't tried this but if I was going to suggest something to try to one of my regular end-users (someone w/o their own sysadmin skillset) I'd start by trying to combine one of the following: Hands Off - http://www.metakine.com/products/handsoff/ Little Snitch - http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html With your VPN application or Viscosity (http://www.sparklabs.com/viscosity/)... And use the tools to allow only the VPN app / manager and child processes it launches to make connections. Again - that would be something I'd try if I didn't sysadmin the box myself and was trying to help a regular end-user out. Cheers, -Ali On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Percy Alpha wrote: > I thought OpenVPN will automatically stop traffic if VPN drops. > > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, > change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
Unless he's trademarked his likeness, it's doubtful he'd have any recourse. And if he did, what chance does he have to defend it in Russia? Slim to none On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Travis McCrea wrote: > I actually disagree... his ownership of his likeness is minimal. He is a > public figure and as such anyone who wanted to make a mask would be pretty > free to do so. I am not saying someone should go out and do it, and if you > do and get sued don't come after me... but if I had the resources available > and I thought this could make some money I would do it. > > Travis McCrea > http://www.travismccrea.com > USA: 1(206) 552-8728 / CAN: 1(778) 709-4859 > > Candidate for the Canadian Pirate Party in the Vancouver Centre riding. > Any views stated in this email are my own and do not reflect the opinions > of the party. > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Shava Nerad > > > wrote: > >> No one elected him and he may have volunteered for the spotlight but not >> in the same way that some one does when they campaign for office. Even >> movie stars have a right to their visages. Where you could say that a sign >> "We are all Snowden" is political speech, citizen Snowden also has rights >> to privacy and dignity, and commercial rights that he does not abandon by >> being a well-knnown whistleblower, any more than say Rush Limbaugh would by >> being a well-known radio personality. Just see how fast the lawyers would >> be layered on top of you if you tried to make Rush masks for Halloween >> without licensing on the basis of him being a public figure -- and he's >> been part of our cultural landscape far longer. Scarier, too. ;) >> >> SN >> On Sep 2, 2013 7:43 PM, "Paul Elliott" >> > 'pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com');>> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:41PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: >>> > Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has >>> no >>> > right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of >>> being >>> > a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an >>> agent to >>> > grant that license on his behalf. >>> > >>> > We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without >>> > permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit >>> the >>> > subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. >>> > (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release >>> form >>> > signed,… ). >>> > >>> > CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide >>> for >>> > media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. >>> > >>> > Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) >>> > which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to >>> explain >>> > that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily >>> > quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look >>> up >>> > the links. I am on holiday. ;) >>> > >>> >>> Is not Snowden a public figure? I am sure bush and obama did >>> not approve all the bush and obama masks? >>> >>> -- >>> Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 >>> pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd >>> Suite J >>> http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 >>> >>> -- >>> Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. >>> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at >>> compa...@stanford.edu >> 'compa...@stanford.edu');>. >>> >> >> -- >> Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. >> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at >> compa...@stanford.edu > 'compa...@stanford.edu');>. >> > > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Postdocs in Spain
In light of this http://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2013/aug/28/science-policy That's a hard sell... On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Yosem Companys wrote: > From: Gemma Galdon Clavell 'cvml', 'gemma.gal...@gmail.com');>> > > The Catalan Government is offering 60 2-year postdoctoral grants for > people who compelted their PhD between 01/01/2007 and 31/12/2011. Gross > yearly salary of 42,500 euros. > > I am more than willing to welcome surveillance scholars at my department > (sociology), so if this is something you'd be interested in, contact me and > we'll see how to go about it. Deadline is Sept 30th and successful > applicants should join the institution no later than Oct 1st, 2014. > > > http://www10.gencat.cat/agaur_web/AppJava/english/a_beca.jsp?categoria=postdoctorals&id_beca=19944 > > Kind regards, > > Gemma Galdon Clavell > > *Polítiques i tecnologies de seguretat / Security, Technology & Society* > *Universitat de Barcelona* > Departament de Sociologia i Anàlisi de les Organitzacions > Av. Diagonal 696 -08034 Barcelona > Tf. +34934024308 http://ub.academia.edu/GemmaGaldonClavell > > [image: Descripción: cid:A624F3FB-204A-4588-ACC2-44145630556A] > > -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Snowden masks for Holloween?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights IANAL, but I used to work in entertainment licensing and was a member at licensing.org/LIMA. Probably qualified as a paralegal in this area. Trademark has nearly nothing to do with it, although you can involve a likeness in a trademark -- at which point it is no longer personal (e.g. Col. Sanders' estate has no recourse to complain that the current KFC logo isn't a suitable likeness because of the reasonable expectations of commercial art of that genre, if precedent holds). And, uh, right, because we don't really care about the law or Snowden's rights, just what we can get away with internationally and in the court of public opinion. Thinking of running for president? ;) SN On Sep 3, 2013 1:52 AM, "Tom O" wrote: > Unless he's trademarked his likeness, it's doubtful he'd have any > recourse. > > And if he did, what chance does he have to defend it in Russia? > > Slim to none > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Travis McCrea wrote: > >> I actually disagree... his ownership of his likeness is minimal. He is a >> public figure and as such anyone who wanted to make a mask would be pretty >> free to do so. I am not saying someone should go out and do it, and if you >> do and get sued don't come after me... but if I had the resources available >> and I thought this could make some money I would do it. >> >> Travis McCrea >> http://www.travismccrea.com >> USA: 1(206) 552-8728 / CAN: 1(778) 709-4859 >> >> Candidate for the Canadian Pirate Party in the Vancouver Centre riding. >> Any views stated in this email are my own and do not reflect the opinions >> of the party. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Shava Nerad wrote: >> >>> No one elected him and he may have volunteered for the spotlight but not >>> in the same way that some one does when they campaign for office. Even >>> movie stars have a right to their visages. Where you could say that a sign >>> "We are all Snowden" is political speech, citizen Snowden also has rights >>> to privacy and dignity, and commercial rights that he does not abandon by >>> being a well-knnown whistleblower, any more than say Rush Limbaugh would by >>> being a well-known radio personality. Just see how fast the lawyers would >>> be layered on top of you if you tried to make Rush masks for Halloween >>> without licensing on the basis of him being a public figure -- and he's >>> been part of our cultural landscape far longer. Scarier, too. ;) >>> >>> SN >>> On Sep 2, 2013 7:43 PM, "Paul Elliott" >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:41PM -0400, Shava Nerad wrote: > Wouldn't there be a licensing issue? It's a hard argument that he has no > right to the commercial exploitation of his likeness on the basis of being > a fugitive whistleblower, and I doubt anyone is authorized as an agent to > grant that license on his behalf. > > We have these privacy laws about just using people's images without > permission. They are a bit like copyright, but say you can't exploit the > subject matter without permission, for profit, with a few exceptions. > (Face not recognizable, press reports on "public figures, " release form > signed,… ). > > CSJ ethics guidelines and EFF's bloggers' guides and Berkman's guide for > media creators have good outlines for US law on this stuff. > > Also my union has a nice guide, the National Writer's Union (AFL-CIO) > which I only mention because it's behind a paywall -- and also to explain > that since it's May Day… er...Labor Day here in the states, I am lazily > quoting all this off the top of my head and making you verify and look up > the links. I am on holiday. ;) > Is not Snowden a public figure? I am sure bush and obama did not approve all the bush and obama masks? -- Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. >>> >>> -- >>> Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. >>> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at >>> compa...@stanford.edu. >>> >> >> > -- > Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/m
Re: [liberationtech] Forcing VPN on Mac OS X
On 09/02/2013 09:54 PM, Mitar wrote: > Is there some software which would prevent any outgoing networking on > Mac OS X until a VPN to a trusted server is established? So on the > system level? I am wary that between me connecting to an untrusted > WiFi and establishing a VPN tunnel, there is some window where > probably all possible services try to ping home, auto-update and so > on. You should be wary. Since Appelbaum has not mentioned it yet, I will mention his paper for him: "Virtual Pwned networks" https://www.usenix.org/conference/foci12/vpwns-virtual-pwned-networks There are any number of common leaks, including DNS leakage, IPv6 leakage, failing open, and, as you mention, the time lag between when the network comes up and when the default route is changed. You could also add poor cipher negotiation, and badly set up VPN gateways that use the same IP for both ingress and egress. At LEAP, we are trying to prevent all these problems with our free software server platform and autoconfiguring OpenVPN client application, but it is not easy or ready for production use yet (https://leap.se). This can be handy for testing DNS leaks (which are really easy to accidentally cause on Mac): https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ -elijah -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
